Powers & Abilities Pre-Wano Luffy CoA vs Zoro CoA

Which CoA is better?


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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Okay? Lmao.

Jumping above gave her momentum. Her physical strength is still immense if her headbutts in base are sending Luffy through the floor. The argument doesnt change. She didnt overpower his Haki with Haki, it was her AP that sent him through the floor and that barely did shit to him.



That panel you posted of Luffy rubbing his forehead isnt blood, its his hair. She didnt break his Haki either the attack didnt do sustantial damage and yes, didnt bleed him. Even when you zoom in on the panel, its luffy's hair clear as day.

Luffy isnt immune to blunt force either, he's highly resistant to it. And he loses most of that resistance when CoA im general is used against his body lol. You're overexagerrating shit to make Luffy's CoA look alot weaker.
No its not his hair. Its clearly blood.
And no hes not highly resistant hes immune.
Moriah put him into a tiny black box and crushed it. It did nothing.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
What hardening feats have Zoro shown that succeeds Katakuri's? He hasnt even got any that puts his above Luffy's in strength.
Katakuri having better CoA than Luffy places him above Zoro? Nonsense.
Having better CoA than Luffy was achieved by everyone except Clown Caesar.
It doesnt even require haki to beat Luffy's haki, that's how bad it is.
1. Hody doesnt have Haki. Thats all that's really needed to be said about this part...
Exactly, that's how bad Luffy's haki is. That's all you need to know. Yet you dare to say that Luffy's haki is better than anyone's...
2. Hody would have bit through Zoro's as well. Gotta keep this mind, Zoro has not ONCE used his hardening to augament nothing but his swords. Swords of which are already of a strong grade and dont easily break. Not getting any knicks on his blade cutting stone DOES NOT make his Haki stronger than Luffy's or Katakuri's.

You know what else is a manga fact? Every other attack Luffy's hardening minimized the damage of/tanked since then. His actual CoA hardening strength feats. That Zoro does not have? Going by FEATS Luffy's CoA is not weaker than his. Again. what has Zoro's CoA actually demonstrated strength against?
No, you dont know whether he would bite through Zoro, you assume that.
Zoro's swords dont face stone, lol. They face other weapons which are far tougher than the fists Luffy faces.
While fists and face can squish and break, swords are NOT allowed to. There is no dampening of the damage on swords like there is on fists and face, the moment sword's durability is compromised it is over.

Releasing mountain busting force through his swords makes his haki better than Luffy's and Katakuri's.
Portrayal that in his hands, blades can become Kokutos makes his haki better than Luffy's and Katakuri's.
Lmao what is so great about his Hardening feats? What is so awesome about them that Zoro needs to compete with?

Luffy's hardening was holding up against Doflamingo's awakening spears and Cracker's sword attacks in the biscuit soldier, all coated in hardening... and all stronger than Hody's bite lol. As a matter of fact, Luffy's haki is so strong he can maintain an entire form with it. Compressing his muscles and maintaining a rubbery, hard elasticity body with it for 30 minutes+. Which is literally better than anything Zoro has done.

Fishmen bite force is not something to fuck with regardless and would have probably bit through Vergo's too lol. Unless you got feats from Vergo that would suggest otherwise?
His hardening is so strong that it was broken by all those things you listed, lol.
Nothing impressive about his haki maintaining his form, that's not quality, that's volume.
Vergo is compressing his blow guy as well, it is nothing unique to the legendary rubberman.
You dont have anything to support that fishmen would bite through Vergo either. In fact Vergo has a feat against an actual sword, far more impressive than fishmen's teeth.

No i dont believe that. Because of feats. Mihawk has a Black Blade, Ryuma had one and Zoro is about to get one. All lack feats showing Haki strength on the level that Roger and WB displayed. Not even sure if they ever will lol.
The Black Blade = "Strongest haki above all" or whatever nonesense you boys cook up is all speculation. Its possible? Could be. Cant actually prove none of that with the manga though.
What haki strength did WB/Roger display lol? WB and Roger and everyone else didnt display the feat of black blade.
Let's see what manga will cook up for the black blade, I am sure it will be explained in Wano.

What feats do Roger and WB have to say that their haki is better than Zoro's?
Zoro is the one who is about to create Kokuto, something WB/Roger never achieved.
He was never above either. Which was the entire point.
Why are you then acting as if Luffy is above him?

Again, his opponents dealing damage to him with their fists doesnt = they have weaker Haki than people with weapons.
They do have weaker haki than swordsmen of the same caliber because swordsmen are facing far greater forces and yet need to maintain the pristine condition of their blades. Fists and face can break and what not, blades are not allowed to.

no athletes "THREAD" is a kicking technique that also uses his strings to cut.
and it is a fact that people can control the amount of haki they use at a given time. i already showed the panel but LAW even states that a person (luffy in this case) can overuse thier haki.

it's honestly laughable that you think that zoro's arnament haki is better than katakuri's when he has shown NOTHING on katakuris haki level.
and no, zoro does not have a black blade yet...thats something he may get in the future but right now he doesn't have it.
we are talking about luffy and zoros CURRENT power. enma is not a black blade.
youre the one whos pulling stuff outa nowhere.

yea and hody bit through luffy because hes weak to piercing attacks unlike other character. which is why him deflecting every single one of doffys cutting attacks no problem shows luffys mastery of haki way greater than zoro.

Strings in Athlete are an afterthought, if the kick goes through, then it will cut since strings are following after his foot. They are not in front of it. As you can see, there are no strings. There is no cutting.

The amount of haki used has only 2 qualities, Hardening and non-hardening. That's all. Covering the entire body with it or covering just the fist, doesnt improve the quality of it, it increases the amount used. Luffy is overusing it because he constantly covers almost the entire body. That is not better than using it just on his fist.

What is Katakuri's level of Hardening? Being better than Luffy? So was everyone else, including people who dont have haki, lol.
He doesnt have Kokuto yet but Hitetsu can already tell that he is able to do something Oden and all the heavyweights in history couldnt. That's the current level of Zoro's haki, it is already checked as superior to Oden's.

Vergo is weak to it as well and yet took 0 damage from a sword of Tashigi who can use haki while Hody cant and yet broke Luffy's.
No, nothing that Luffy has done is special. Law has done the same, deflected Doffy's cutting attacks without a problem, barehanded.
There is no scenario of Luffy's Hardening being good, just average or bad. Zoro, on the other hand, is praised for his.

It's not the haki my guy
It's the way he uses it
The part of your post that is bolded is why Luffy's application is better than their FBH

He mixes the 2, haki and DF, and gets increased hardness and elasticity
Pica cant mix the 2, meaning the way he uses it is less effective in certain respects
Pica hasn't been shown to mix the 2
The way he uses it is the same how Vergo uses his on the blowgun, there is nothing special about it.
Hardness is the same, only elasticity gets better, the DF.
There is no reason why Pica wouldnt be able to cover parts of stone into Haki but there is no way to cover a mountain, nobody has such a volume of haki except Douglass Bullet in a movie which isnt canon...

Its taken me a dozen posts to explain why I disagree and think that there is a difference
For further clarification pertaining to Luffy mixing the attributes of his DF with his haki and that being the stark difference in application between him and what Pica has shown is here
/base luffy pic/
Luffy doesn't always maintain his rubbery features to that extent when using hardening, only in Gear 4 is that the case... at least from my understanding
Pica cannot do it even with FBH.
Pica cannot change his shape in FBH because he isnt stone. His golem can change shape and he cant cover such a large area in haki.
On Luffy, the rubber properties get better, not the hardness that comes from haki because haki remains the same. Haki isnt capable of what you are saying, it doesnt fluctuate, up and down because of gears. It is literally impossible.

Never had any nic on his blades before he learned CoA
He broke his swords before he learned CoA... lol

Luffy has a blunt immunity that is similar to the relatively higher durability of Zoro's quality blades being better than his opponents and less likely to be damaged, haki aside
Luffy's tolerance to blunt damage is ridiculous, to the point of taking basically no damage. Reason why people are harming him is haki.
He can squish, deform, change shape, break when he takes damage. Swords arent allowed to because they would break. That's why it requires incredible haki to keep them spotless. Swordsmen's blades are facing far greater forces than what Luffy faces.
In the colored version, Luffy isn't using Black Koka hardening
He is using armament.
It was stated that Oden didn't while he was alive, not that he couldn't. And it's not like Zoro has achieved this feat already
None of this logic is a sure fire way to objectively place Zoro over Luffy, and there exist no manga facts that imply that either. They use their haki in different ways and fight different opponents, other than Fujitora..
He couldnt, Oden said that he was at his peak already.
Zoro hasnt achieved it yet but people can already tell that he is able to.
Again, I explained above, what dangers a fist and a sword face and which one of them is able to deform and break while other isnt.
There is plenty of logic in there.
 
Zoro never had stronger CoA than Luffy. He had better CoA Haki control.

And peeping most of the agruments from the swordbois, alot of yall arent using heads. Most of the arguments for Zoro having stronger CoA, dont prove he does.
Luffy with gear 4 couldn't injure kaido vs kinemon injured kaido vs kinemon couldn't tame enma vs Zoro could easily do it vs hyo speech about Ryou ( barrier haki ) = speech of Kuina father in the Dojo = Zoro has Ryou .
conclusion :
Zoro has better CoA than luffy pre wano
 
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He broke his swords before he learned CoA
2 swords were low quality, the one that was rusted in enies lobby, to our knowledge; wouldn’t have been safe had it been a higher quality even if Zoro had haki
And Mihawk could probably also still break Zoro’s haki, but I’m unsure
Oden said that he was at his peak already.
Drop the panel
We don’t know if it’s time that matters or a higher ceiling in terms of haki quality that matters more yet you already attribute this feat to current Zoro
I’m not arguing the rest of your post anymore
 
I know exactly what his limit refers to and you know it as well. However, do entertain me by pretending that you dont. :catsure:
Oden wouldn't have even went to fight Kaido if he hadn't maxed out his emotional capacity for what had been happing to his country, friends and family
That's why he explained his decision to his wife to leave and go fight, whereas he'd previously been by her side wait

Your entire assumption is to push the notion that Oden was in his prime? I guess? and that him being in his prime but not converting Enma into a black blade is supposed to make Zoro look better when we have no idea how exactly a sword is turned into a black blade, if the previous owner can shorten the time it takes for the next owner to perform this feat or if its time spent pouring haki into the blade vs. the quality of haki poured in
It's all Zorowank moot honestly
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Your entire assumption is to push the notion that Oden was in his prime? I guess?
I am not pushing anything. That's what manga literally states. You can accept it or not, up to you.
and that him being in his prime but not converting Enma into a black blade is supposed to make Zoro look better when we have no idea how exactly a sword is turned into a black blade, if the previous owner can shorten the time it takes for the next owner to perform this feat or if its time spent pouring haki into the blade vs. the quality of haki poured in
It's all Zorowank moot honestly
Zoro will have Kokuto at 21 years old, something 39 years old Oden couldnt. There is no Zoro wank, there is only reality.
 
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