Speculations Question for the ZKK enthusiasts
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Do you read One Piece?
Zoro was in bad shape because he had 20 to 30 broken bones. Do you think he was fighting King with broken bones? Bones do heal themselves. The medicine increases the body healing power allowing the user to heal at a faster rate. It would have healed Zoro's bones.
I don't know what you think the medicine does but it doesn't put you at Death's door. If you have a minor injury you just suffer twice later on. The medicine is not a big risk as long as your conditions isn't severe. Only thing stopping more people from taking it is plot.
Yes, Zoro outshined Luffy.
Luffy defeated Moria + Oars with help from his entire crew plus all the additional powers he received from the multiple shadows placed in his body. Yet he was unconscious after the battle. Imagine, requiring outside power plus your friends to beat somebody and you still unconsciousness afterwards. That's not vma good look.
While Zoro took on Kuma and save everyone including Luffy without any outside power and while near death. That was very impressive. Still one of the greatest feats in the entire manga.
If you think Zoro gain nothing you are fooling yourself. Zoro defeat Kuma, saved all of the straw hats, gained a warlord's respect, and prove to everyone he is the toughest SH and has the greatest endurance.
Luffy specifically picked Zoro to be his top fighter for a reason and that scene proved it. He did with Luffy couldn't do and without help.
Yes, a logical explanation based on the rules he has established for One Piece. It is really not that hard.
Oda doesn't have to have Zoro encounter a creature that look like Death to prove Chopper is a great doctor. He already had Chopper create one antidote and altered another antidote to allow for easier dispersion in the middle of a war. One at the jail and one during the war. Those are both incredible feats.
Zoro it's not the only one that needs medical service. If he wants to show he's a great doctor he can have chop and save everyone and reattach Kiku's arm. There's several simple ways he can push this "Chopper is a great doctor" plot that you believe could happen without putting Zoro in his current condition.
You are trying to turn Zoro's plotline into Chopper's plotline. Chopper doesn't need is Zoro plotline he has his own.
Didn't you just say Oda can do whatever he wants? So why can't he have Chopper give Zoro the ice virus to help him recover and then give him the antidote. He has the antidote and typically antidotes are made from viruses so he should have the virus.
It's funny. He can do anything except for anything you dislike. It's always been this way with the deniers. If you don't want it to happen or believe it can't happen then it won't happen. I didn't know Oda works for you.
Zoro was in bad shape because he had 20 to 30 broken bones. Do you think he was fighting King with broken bones? Bones do heal themselves. The medicine increases the body healing power allowing the user to heal at a faster rate. It would have healed Zoro's bones.
I don't know what you think the medicine does but it doesn't put you at Death's door. If you have a minor injury you just suffer twice later on. The medicine is not a big risk as long as your conditions isn't severe. Only thing stopping more people from taking it is plot.
Yes, Zoro outshined Luffy.
Luffy defeated Moria + Oars with help from his entire crew plus all the additional powers he received from the multiple shadows placed in his body. Yet he was unconscious after the battle. Imagine, requiring outside power plus your friends to beat somebody and you still unconsciousness afterwards. That's not vma good look.
While Zoro took on Kuma and save everyone including Luffy without any outside power and while near death. That was very impressive. Still one of the greatest feats in the entire manga.
If you think Zoro gain nothing you are fooling yourself. Zoro defeat Kuma, saved all of the straw hats, gained a warlord's respect, and prove to everyone he is the toughest SH and has the greatest endurance.
Luffy specifically picked Zoro to be his top fighter for a reason and that scene proved it. He did with Luffy couldn't do and without help.
Yes, a logical explanation based on the rules he has established for One Piece. It is really not that hard.
Oda doesn't have to have Zoro encounter a creature that look like Death to prove Chopper is a great doctor. He already had Chopper create one antidote and altered another antidote to allow for easier dispersion in the middle of a war. One at the jail and one during the war. Those are both incredible feats.
Zoro it's not the only one that needs medical service. If he wants to show he's a great doctor he can have chop and save everyone and reattach Kiku's arm. There's several simple ways he can push this "Chopper is a great doctor" plot that you believe could happen without putting Zoro in his current condition.
You are trying to turn Zoro's plotline into Chopper's plotline. Chopper doesn't need is Zoro plotline he has his own.
Didn't you just say Oda can do whatever he wants? So why can't he have Chopper give Zoro the ice virus to help him recover and then give him the antidote. He has the antidote and typically antidotes are made from viruses so he should have the virus.
It's funny. He can do anything except for anything you dislike. It's always been this way with the deniers. If you don't want it to happen or believe it can't happen then it won't happen. I didn't know Oda works for you.
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I don’t see why it’s so crucial for Zoro to kill Kaido more than anybody else. Other than being a badass swordsman. He had his shot at the Yonko in the same way as the other top worst generation. He got snuffed by Kaido along with Law, and got sent back down. Then fought his right hand with a medicine. He did his damage to Kaido that was impressive.
Now dude is out of it. The two strongest characters on Onigashima finished their fight. Law and Kid fought Big Mom who is well above King, even if it was a technical ring out type deal.
The grim reaper can be as simple as a depiction of Zoro’s condition, and could be a plot point of the casualties of the alliance, not some magical powerup.
Now dude is out of it. The two strongest characters on Onigashima finished their fight. Law and Kid fought Big Mom who is well above King, even if it was a technical ring out type deal.
The grim reaper can be as simple as a depiction of Zoro’s condition, and could be a plot point of the casualties of the alliance, not some magical powerup.
People want it to be over but Oda has other plans. Not only Kaido is not done but probably Big Mom as well.
Oda is too sensitive about Rupee so when Zoro steals Kaido from him, he will likely give him another go vs Big Mom.
Neither of the Emperors have shown Awakening and she might pull "Shadow Asgard" while Kaido pulls a Kuma.
Oda is too sensitive about Rupee so when Zoro steals Kaido from him, he will likely give him another go vs Big Mom.
Neither of the Emperors have shown Awakening and she might pull "Shadow Asgard" while Kaido pulls a Kuma.
Where did I said he fought King with broken Bones ? Yeah nowhere
It's an headcannon. Where is it stated the medicine increase the body healing capacity ?
Where did I said the medicine put you at death door ?
You are just putting words in my mouth.
Maybe in Zoro piece
SH's only stalled Oars they didn't really help.
I mean even like that it's still better than just defeating Ryuma with Brook soul
So he defeated someone far weaker than both of Luffy's fight.
Unconscious because absorbing Shadows is hard as stated in the manga. You didn't read it I know.
Zoro near death against Kuma ? Lol he only fought Zombie ryuma and participate in stalling Oars like others SH
Took on Kuma ? He just ripped Kuma's clothes lol
You know that Kuma would have done nothing. He's a Revo so he work for Luffy's father.
It's already Chopper's plotline
He's in charge to take of Zoro now
Defeated Kuma ?
Ripped Kuma's clothes isn't defeating him lol.
You are full of headcannons dude
This isn't a fighting scene to take someone's pain
You completely miss the point of the scene because you are a power level junkie lol
Based on the rules ZKK isn't a logical explanation
Chopper healing someone close to death is a great feat for his own goal.
Plus chopper was worried for Zoro since a long time.
A doctor poisonning his own patient
After the doctor hit another doctor for creating this poison lol
Most retarded take ever
He can do anything except something which goes against Chopper's character
Chopper went in a fight with Queen because of the virus
Chopper's is always depicted as the one which heals people not the one who poisons them
Chopper poisonned Hiluluk and you think he will do the same with his nakamas
Lol you don't read One piece
Funny how you talk about logical explanation and gives shit theory like this
It's an headcannon. Where is it stated the medicine increase the body healing capacity ?
Where did I said the medicine put you at death door ?
You are just putting words in my mouth.
Maybe in Zoro piece
SH's only stalled Oars they didn't really help.
I mean even like that it's still better than just defeating Ryuma with Brook soul
So he defeated someone far weaker than both of Luffy's fight.
Unconscious because absorbing Shadows is hard as stated in the manga. You didn't read it I know.
Zoro near death against Kuma ? Lol he only fought Zombie ryuma and participate in stalling Oars like others SH
Took on Kuma ? He just ripped Kuma's clothes lol
You know that Kuma would have done nothing. He's a Revo so he work for Luffy's father.
It's already Chopper's plotline
He's in charge to take of Zoro now
Defeated Kuma ?
Ripped Kuma's clothes isn't defeating him lol.
You are full of headcannons dude
This isn't a fighting scene to take someone's pain
You completely miss the point of the scene because you are a power level junkie lol
Based on the rules ZKK isn't a logical explanation
Chopper healing someone close to death is a great feat for his own goal.
Plus chopper was worried for Zoro since a long time.
A doctor poisonning his own patient
After the doctor hit another doctor for creating this poison lol
Most retarded take ever
He can do anything except something which goes against Chopper's character
Chopper went in a fight with Queen because of the virus
Chopper's is always depicted as the one which heals people not the one who poisons them
Chopper poisonned Hiluluk and you think he will do the same with his nakamas
Lol you don't read One piece
Funny how you talk about logical explanation and gives shit theory like this
Queen poisoned his men without any intention of healing them, which is why they were just as bothered about it as Chopper.
Chopper... who said he didn't understand the medicine but let Zoro use it because he agreed to it and it served a greater good. Chopper, who did the same thing by abusing Rumble Balls against medical advice. Chopper, who came up with a cure for the ice oni so that it's not really a problem anymore.
take your own ice oni
and post cycle
Using the mink drug a second time 
Queen poisoned his men without any intention of healing them, which is why they were just as bothered about it as Chopper.
Chopper... who said he didn't understand the medicine but let Zoro use it because he agreed to it and it served a greater good. Chopper, who did the same thing by abusing Rumble Balls against medical advice. Chopper, who came up with a cure for the ice oni so that it's not really a problem anymore.
take your own ice oni
and post cycle
No joke, I doubt it but at the same time I'm not sure what would stop that from working until they figure out something better. Except maybe the pain doubling again.
You think this is defeating Kuma ?
The poison doesn't heal
He's angry because Queen used a virus as a weapon
But somehow he will use Queen bad viruses in his own Friend lol
The medicine was a proposal from another entrusted doctor. Even then chopper asked for more informations
It's not what Chopper considered as a bad virus.
Completely irrelevant Rumble Ball isn't a medicine nor a virus.
Moreover Chopper is supposed to use that now to heal Zoro lol complete bullshit
You are delusional lol
The poison doesn't heal
He's angry because Queen used a virus as a weapon
The medicine was a proposal from another entrusted doctor. Even then chopper asked for more informations
It's not what Chopper considered as a bad virus.
Completely irrelevant Rumble Ball isn't a medicine nor a virus.
Moreover Chopper is supposed to use that now to heal Zoro lol complete bullshit
You are delusional lol
Maybe you didn't understand because I was actually responding to someone else, my point was that his attacks weren't ineffective. But I never said he was actually winning the fight physically. Oda didn't even entertain the thought because Zoro was coming in damaged vs a fresh Shichibukai with high tier combat ability. So he found a different condition for victory.
Only in your Two Piece did Kuma leave with Luffy captured.
In One Piece Zoro stopped him. He won. I never said Zoro defeated him in a fight. That seem to be too hard for you to comprehend. It's okay, just know that Luffy couldn't do anything and everybody needed Zoro to save them.
Just like always, your post is full of nothing but headcannon. That's why I asked if you
read One Piece.
Here how the medicine works because you don't know.
What do you think Ultra regeneration means. It doesn't mean small robots heal his body.
The straw hats started fighting Oar in chapter 470. Luffy didn't arrive in battle until chapter 478. He was defeated in chapter 480. Here are three scenes of the SH, including Luffy, working together.
They weren't stalling Oar they were fighting him. That's just your headcannon to try to take credit away from the Straw Hats.
Kuma told us Zoro was near death and he didn't think he would be able to survive with all of Luffy's pain and fatigue.
Kuma was on a mission to capture Luffy and failed. Do you think that counts as a win? Imagine going on a mission and failing yet calling it a win.
Chopper agreed for Zoro to receive medicine that has negative side effects. I guess you believe Zoro took the none side effects causing medicine.
Now you change your claim. Earlier it was Oda can do anything but now he can't since that would mean Oda have ZKK. It's not about following the manga with you.
It's always the same. Anything we say that explains how ZKK could happen using manga facts and logic is always called asspull, crazy theory, shit theory and more. But anyone that disagree with ZKK is automatically right even if they don't bring any logic, facts or rational thinking. We were told the same when it came to Zoro reaching the rooftop, fighting Kaido, scarring Kaido, and obtaining ACoC. Guess who turned out to be right?
Keep thinking Zoro scene with Death means nothing. I remember when fans thought that was Brook playing a trick.
In One Piece Zoro stopped him. He won. I never said Zoro defeated him in a fight. That seem to be too hard for you to comprehend. It's okay, just know that Luffy couldn't do anything and everybody needed Zoro to save them.
Where did I said he fought King with broken Bones ? Yeah nowhere
It's an headcannon. Where is it stated the medicine increase the body healing capacity ?
Where did I said the medicine put you at death door ?
You are just putting words in my mouth.
Maybe in Zoro piece
SH's only stalled Oars they didn't really help.
I mean even like that it's still better than just defeating Ryuma with Brook soul
So he defeated someone far weaker than both of Luffy's fight.
Unconscious because absorbing Shadows is hard as stated in the manga. You didn't read it I know.
Zoro near death against Kuma ? Lol he only fought Zombie ryuma and participate in stalling Oars like others SH
Took on Kuma ? He just ripped Kuma's clothes lol
You know that Kuma would have done nothing. He's a Revo so he work for Luffy's father.
It's already Chopper's plotline
He's in charge to take of Zoro now
Defeated Kuma ?
Ripped Kuma's clothes isn't defeating him lol.
You are full of headcannons dude
This isn't a fighting scene to take someone's pain
You completely miss the point of the scene because you are a power level junkie lol
Based on the rules ZKK isn't a logical explanation
Chopper healing someone close to death is a great feat for his own goal.
Plus chopper was worried for Zoro since a long time.
A doctor poisonning his own patient
After the doctor hit another doctor for creating this poison lol
Most retarded take ever
He can do anything except something which goes against Chopper's character
Chopper went in a fight with Queen because of the virus
Chopper's is always depicted as the one which heals people not the one who poisons them
Chopper poisonned Hiluluk and you think he will do the same with his nakamas
Lol you don't read One piece
Funny how you talk about logical explanation and gives shit theory like this
It's an headcannon. Where is it stated the medicine increase the body healing capacity ?
Where did I said the medicine put you at death door ?
You are just putting words in my mouth.
Maybe in Zoro piece
SH's only stalled Oars they didn't really help.
I mean even like that it's still better than just defeating Ryuma with Brook soul
So he defeated someone far weaker than both of Luffy's fight.
Unconscious because absorbing Shadows is hard as stated in the manga. You didn't read it I know.
Zoro near death against Kuma ? Lol he only fought Zombie ryuma and participate in stalling Oars like others SH
Took on Kuma ? He just ripped Kuma's clothes lol
You know that Kuma would have done nothing. He's a Revo so he work for Luffy's father.
It's already Chopper's plotline
He's in charge to take of Zoro now
Defeated Kuma ?
Ripped Kuma's clothes isn't defeating him lol.
You are full of headcannons dude
This isn't a fighting scene to take someone's pain
You completely miss the point of the scene because you are a power level junkie lol
Based on the rules ZKK isn't a logical explanation
Chopper healing someone close to death is a great feat for his own goal.
Plus chopper was worried for Zoro since a long time.
A doctor poisonning his own patient
After the doctor hit another doctor for creating this poison lol
Most retarded take ever
He can do anything except something which goes against Chopper's character
Chopper went in a fight with Queen because of the virus
Chopper's is always depicted as the one which heals people not the one who poisons them
Chopper poisonned Hiluluk and you think he will do the same with his nakamas
Lol you don't read One piece
Funny how you talk about logical explanation and gives shit theory like this
read One Piece.
Here how the medicine works because you don't know.
What do you think Ultra regeneration means. It doesn't mean small robots heal his body.
The straw hats started fighting Oar in chapter 470. Luffy didn't arrive in battle until chapter 478. He was defeated in chapter 480. Here are three scenes of the SH, including Luffy, working together.
They weren't stalling Oar they were fighting him. That's just your headcannon to try to take credit away from the Straw Hats.
Kuma told us Zoro was near death and he didn't think he would be able to survive with all of Luffy's pain and fatigue.
Kuma was on a mission to capture Luffy and failed. Do you think that counts as a win? Imagine going on a mission and failing yet calling it a win.
Chopper agreed for Zoro to receive medicine that has negative side effects. I guess you believe Zoro took the none side effects causing medicine.
Now you change your claim. Earlier it was Oda can do anything but now he can't since that would mean Oda have ZKK. It's not about following the manga with you.
It's always the same. Anything we say that explains how ZKK could happen using manga facts and logic is always called asspull, crazy theory, shit theory and more. But anyone that disagree with ZKK is automatically right even if they don't bring any logic, facts or rational thinking. We were told the same when it came to Zoro reaching the rooftop, fighting Kaido, scarring Kaido, and obtaining ACoC. Guess who turned out to be right?
Keep thinking Zoro scene with Death means nothing. I remember when fans thought that was Brook playing a trick.