General & Others Quickly reviewing every non-Luffy Strawhat fight in Wano

EmperorKinyagi

EmperorKinyagi

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RIP Chopper and Brooke. I highly doubt they’ll get 1v1 fights now that Zoro and Sanji are done but if they do I’ll update this.

Nami and Ussop vs Page One and Ulti
1/10
I could make a much longer post on this but suffice to say I think this is literally THE worst fight in the entire series.

Black Maria vs Robin
7/10
Pretty satisfying overall especially if you consider how long we’ve been waiting to see Robin in action. I wasn’t super keen on this fight choreography wise and Black Maria kind of jobbed but overall it’s decent.

Franky vs Sasaki
6/10
Ehhhhh. Not really a fan of Franky’s fights in general. This fight had way less of a story to it than Franky vs Señor Pink and was mostly just a big dumb robot slamming into a big dumb dinosaur. Like Black Maria, Sasaki also kind of jobbed (you may notice a trend).

Jimbei vs Who’s Who
7/10
Oda should have had Jimbei fight Jack. There was pretty much no tension here for me because I fully expected Jimbei to pulverize Who’s Who which he did.

Sanji vs Queen
5/10
Already made a whole thread here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-one-of-his-worst-fights-in-the-series.20407/
Arguably the worst main Sanji 1v1 in the series.

Zoro vs King
8/10
This fight was actually pretty good. The coreography was a little wack at times (like a lot of the time), but for Zoro’s first real 1v1 in the post time skip it was good. King was a cool opponent and literally the only beast pirates executive that I don’t think outright jobbed to his opponent.
 
Kurozumi Wiwi

Kurozumi Wiwi

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Usopp/Nami vs siblings 2/10
Franky vs Sasaki 6/10
Robin vs Black Maria 7,5/10
Jinbe vs WsW 7/10
Queen vs Sanji 7/10
Zoro vs King 8,5/10

btw the weaklings fight gets two pity points for Nami showing guts by refusing to spit on Luffy's dream and me seeing potential in Zeus Tact otherwise it's zero as there's nothing to save. fuck mama mode and fuck Loda for writing this piece of shit.
 
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WesMidnight

WesMidnight

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Nami and Ussop vs Page One and Ulti
0/10 for Ussop, 5/10 for Nami

Black Maria vs Robin
8.5/10 (Probably my favorite Robin fight, and seeing her desire to be useful to the crew and get unexpected power up flash backs was cool)

Franky vs Sasaki
7/10 (It was a fun fight, though it didn't feel like Franky was actually any stronger or showed anything new)

Jinbe vs Who’s Who
7/10 (could have been higher near water, and if Who's who was tougher and less focused on hyping the secrets of the Gomu Gomu no mi to be paid off in the Kaido vs Luffy fight almost a year later)

Sanji vs Queen
7.5/10 (would be higher if Oda didn't jump away mid fight like Hells Memories and if he was clearer about Sanji's invisiblity in that chapter)

Zoro vs King
7.5/10 ( good fight in general but skimming over the lunarian hax that had no real meaning in the end ruined it a bit for me)

If these fights had happened with less pointless build up they would have been better, but that is the editor's fault.
 
IIskandar1997

IIskandar1997

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Nami vs Ulti is barely a fight, only reason it isnt a straight up 0 is because I like the new Zeus, so I give it a 1-2/10

Jinbe vs Who's who had very important lore stuff but it wasnt really a challenge to Jinbe, but since we got to see rokushiki being used again in a major fight, Jinbe fighting as a SH and full body haki being used by a non jobber I'll give it a 6/10

Franky vs Sasaki was a very basic fight plot wise, but it had a better choreography than the Jinbe fight imo and it was an actual struggle, we got to finally see what the Shogun is really capable of, 6,5/10

Robin vs Maria was probably my favorite because it was something I wasnt expecting, Robin actually fighting, finally showing the skills she got during the timeskip, showing confidence in herself and her crewmates, and ending with whatever the hell that demon form was. It was great even if very short, 8/10

Sanji vs Queen had everything to be the best fight, a very good theme that gave continuity to Sanji's arc, a fun villain with very interesting powers and great power ups that made perfect sense for Sanji....but I found the choreography pretty boring, most of the fight was just Sanji attacking and Queen just standing there taking it, so I give it a 7,5/10

Zoro vs King was the opposite, great choreography but pretty boring themes and power ups, and King only got interesting as a character at the very end of it, so I give it a 7/10
 
Warchief Sanji D Goat

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Panty Anarchy!🩲
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Nami and Ussop vs Page One and Ulti
2/10

Like how fucked up can you be Oda?

Franky vs Sasaki
6/10

Pretty good fight for Franky. Not as good as Franky vs Senor though.

Jimbei vs Who’s Who
7/10

Great choreography.

Robin vs Black Maria
8/10

Great choreography. Nice character development for Robin.

Sanji vs Queen
8/10

Choreography was ass but the character development for Sanji was perfect.

Zoro vs King
10/10

Love everything about this fight. Some scenes could have been better but that's alright.
 
RayanOO

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
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Nami vs Ultimate : 3/10

Usopp vs PO : 1/10

Franky vs Sasaki : 4.5/10

Robin vs Maria : 7/10

Jimbe vs WsW : 4.5/10

Sanji vs Queen : 6/10 : strong themes but poor executions and stupid decisions : Queen being the one who hit the geisha was dumb, Queen attacking the girl again was dumb, Queen having Germa power set was lame, Queen would have been way better with plague mode or plague attacks. Sanji evilness could have been the best thing in the whole arc but was handled poorly in the end.

Zoro vs King : 7/10 : best choreography and stakes out of all fights, a classic fights but with good moments and good attacks. But King didn’t use his hybrid/DF enough, not enough lore about Lunarians, not enough fire attacks for King, and King deserved awakening. And overall let’s be honest King was a bit bland.
But not a bad fight at all.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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Nami and Usopp vs Page One and Ulti -
2/10 the 2 is for Nami getting Zeus as a legit powerup of hers.

Jinbe vs Who’s Who -
6/10 Really weird characterization for Who’s who. “I don’t care about Luffy” to “Screw Red Haired Shanks.” To “I’m killing you cause you are part of Luffys crew.” Choreography was cool though, but the characterization really made it bad.

Franky vs Sasaki -
7.5/10 love me a manly head to head fight and happy Oda proved that haki isn’t needed for someone to be strong. Frankys tech was amazing and showed some severe power, sasakis abilities were also cool in a fun way.

Robin vs Black Maria -
7/10, not much of an actual fight and Black Marias body was strange; however, this fight was ended in an instant when I wanted to see more of Demonio Fleur (Bonus point for Koala showing up tho)

Sanji vs Queen -
8.5/10, I’ve shared my feelings about this fight. I agree the choreography isn’t great. It has some scenes of it where Sanji has to deal with the multiple powered arms, but more of them would’ve been better. However, Characterization wise no other fight tops it. Sanji dealing with trauma, Sanji making choices about what’s most important to him, and Sanji having a fight of observation haki was a nice finisher as well.

Zoro vs King
10/10 - Zoros best fight in the series, the choreography was great and King as a villain was awesome. Has some of the coolest panels we’ve seen with Zoro slicing the magma dragon and hints at Kaidos past.
 
Kurozumi Wiwi

Kurozumi Wiwi

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duckman said:
I'm getting a sense Nami vs Ulti isn't popular
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Have Nami and Usopp run for 20 chapters just to pull a deus ex machina "mama mode" to have a fucking emperor basically one shot their opponents for them and then have 3 pages of "fight" with zeus working as autopilot
It can be argued that they were too strong to be beaten healthy, and it has the merit of being unpredictable but it doesn't make the resolution satisfying.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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Wiwi said:
Have Nami and Usopp run for 20 chapters just to pull a deus ex machina "mama mode" to have a fucking emperor basically one shot their opponents for them and then have 3 pages of "fight" with zeus working as autopilot
It can be argued that they were too strong to be beaten healthy, and it has the merit of being unpredictable but it doesn't make the resolution satisfying.
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If anything it showed Odas getting uncreative with Nami. And most straw hats really. I understand wanting to focus on the monster trio. However, just comparing Nami vs Ulti and Nami vs Kalifla it’s night and day the amount of creativity Nami put in to beat a stronger target.
 
Kurozumi Wiwi

Kurozumi Wiwi

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Yasheen said:
If anything it showed Odas getting uncreative with Nami. And most straw hats really. I understand wanting to focus on the monster trio. However, just comparing Nami vs Ulti and Nami vs Kalifla it’s night and day the amount of creativity Nami put in to beat a stronger target.
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What I would have done is giving Zeus to Nami without having Mama making Ulti a walking corpse, and have her team up with another character to make it more believable, if necessary. Same for Usopp and Page One although he doesn't have a way to hurt him apparently.
But yeah I feel Oda has gotten more lazy with some fights.
 
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