I don't care about one random twitter users opinion over generic terms like standing shoulder to shoulder. Every translation that came out, even the people breaking down the raws say nearly the exact same thing. Any commentary over that is irrelevant to me. We now know what was said, I don't need Sandman to add his grain of salt over what was said lmao.
That doesn't necessitate him fearing Kaido though. Just like you assumed WB didn't fear Kaido but still didn't go even tho he had more of a reason to go than Gabban and Rayleigh, ofc through the virtue of his portrayal, why can't we say the same for Gyabbun who fought be besides Roger against the Elites of Rox Pirates
Like it is suggested in the manga itself where he's looking forward to fight anyone that even Roger would fight
Doesn't make sense why he'd be scared of Kaido tho..
That doesn't necessitate him fearing Kaido though. Just like you assumed WB didn't fear Kaido but still didn't go even tho he had more of a reason to go than Gabban and Rayleigh, ofc through the virtue of his portrayal, why can't we say the same for Gyabbun who fought be besides Roger against the Elites of Rox Pirates
Like it is suggested in the manga itself where he's looking forward to fight anyone that even Roger would fight
Doesn't make sense why he'd be scared of Kaido tho..
More likely implication from this thread is prime ray was barely yonko level because someone who might be below him in the pecking order was certainly not on that level .
what in the translation changed from tuesday to friday ....
we already knew rayleigh was the n2
we already knew roger rayleigh and gaban are not literally equal.
That doesn't necessitate him fearing Kaido though. Just like you assumed WB didn't fear Kaido but still didn't go even tho he had more of a reason to go than Gabban and Rayleigh, ofc through the virtue of his portrayal, why can't we say the same for Gyabbun who fought be besides Roger against the Elites of Rox Pirates
Like it is suggested in the manga itself where he's looking forward to fight anyone that even Roger would fight
Doesn't make sense why he'd be scared of Kaido tho..
It does. Again Whitebeard wasn't stated or insinuated to be prevented from going to Wano because of Kaido. Even in his speech to Ace, he did not go because of the loss of lives it would cause when Oden is already dead...ergo fighting just for revenge.
In Gaban's case, he specifically links his visit to Wano to the fact that Kaido is not around anymore.
The God Valley point does not prove much because we don't know who fought against whom. Going in with no fear is irrelevant. It would be like saying that since Kid and Law didn't fear facing Kaido/Big Mom on roofpiece, it somehow means they are on the same level or equals.
More likely implication from this thread is prime ray was barely yonko level because someone who might be below him in the pecking order was certainly not on that level .
what in the translation changed from tuesday to friday ....
we already knew rayleigh was the n2
we already knew roger rayleigh , gaban and roger are not literally equal.
TCB legit had already translated it as “shoulder to shoulder” days ago too lmao. And the “rivals Rayleigh” part wasn’t even the part that people were hyping up
More likely implication from this thread is prime ray was barely yonko level because someone who might be below him in the pecking order was certainly not on that level .
what in the translation changed from tuesday to friday ....
we already knew rayleigh was the n2
we already knew roger rayleigh and gaban are not literally equal.
The thing that people look at the shoulder to shoulder thing is:
Shanks and Buggy - Both were apprentices
Jinbe and Arlong - The right and left hands of Fisher Tiger
The issue here and why people use it in a power sense is Roger’s inclusion.
Roger, Rayleigh, Gaban weren’t standing on the same level of a hierarchy like the two mentioned above since Roger Was the indisputed captain. And the terms never used in a physically standing side by side sense either. As such the only meaning this could be is in a power sense with the three standing on the same level of power.
It does. Again Whitebeard wasn't stated or insinuated to be prevented from going to Wano because of Kaido. Even in his speech to Ace, he did not go because of the loss of lives it would cause when Oden is already dead...ergo fighting just for revenge.
In Gaban's case, he specifically links his visit to Wano to the fact that Kaido is not around anymore.
The God Valley point does not prove much because we don't know who fought against whom. Going in with no fear is irrelevant. It would be like saying that since Kid and Law didn't fear facing Kaido/Big Mom on roofpiece, it somehow means they are on the same level or equals.
that still doesn't mean that he fears kaido... but to say that he'd loose isn't inaccurate.. The same could be Said about Whitebeard 2 years Ago in Marine Ford. So where is this "fear" interpretations coming from
Context is key also.. Gabban said that in today's time in Elbaf
20+ years ago Gabban was part of Roger's crew and they went head to head with Rox years before that too.
Are you suggesting that THAT gabban who likely went head to head with Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeard, Shiki in numerous occasions.. Was scared of Kaido after Odem's death...
TCB legit had already translated it as “shoulder to shoulder” days ago too lmao. And the “rivals Rayleigh” part wasn’t even the part that people were hyping up
I think this is one occasion where some zfans put their hatred for sanji fans above their own self interest .
Viz or tcb, what they described in simple terms is the relationship that currently exist with luffy zoro and sanji . a 1, 2 and 3 . How strong gaban was or could have been hasnt changed.
what I do know is oden was in that crew and at the very least kaido thought he was in/around that level so honestly the top 3 in that crew prob were too at the very least if not more.
Cry to Sandman 😂 => "this JP expression is ambiguous, so it is hard to say Gaban is in the same class as Roger and Rayleigh in terms of strength or fame"
why zoro fans has to be that much of idiot ??? :)))
after the rayleigh means that rayleigh is the first crew mate. since gaban enter crew as a second he becomes left , nothing related to strength or something :))))) copium tooo much for zoro fans
Cry to Sandman 😂 => "this JP expression is ambiguous, so it is hard to say Gaban is in the same class as Roger and Rayleigh in terms of strength or fame"
If the right and left hand arent comparable in power and authority, there is no need for a left hand man. Its inventing a position that has no need.
They are comparable, they are close and if they weren't this dynamic wouldn't even exist.
Talking about having bad reading comprehension.
Before the wings thing, the illiterates denied the left hand man dynamic existing. "lol left hand". Now that the dynamic is said word for word after twerking for a years , they try to argue the left and right hand are actually about trust (implying Roger didnt trust crocus or the others, or implying Roger trusted the same to another guy in all matters, despite the other having the first mate and vc positions) equally.
Now the argument is standing side by side physically or something or that is the same way that was refered to buggy and shanks being part of rogers crew as cabinboys.
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