Character Discussion Rate Zoro as a Character compared to other Shonen Characters

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I don't understand how any Strawhat, except Luffy and Sanji, can get a 6 on a vote like this.
They have little relevant panel time, they have 0 plotlines tied to them, so far that fan make them up and get obviously disappointed.
This is clearly Oda's biggest fault, and people giving 9 or tens, for me, is clearly unbelievable.
Pre time-skip Zoro, including his training, is an easy 8.
In the last 10 years, Zoro has done NOTHING (just like Franky, or Brook or others) except 1 interesting fight with King, who was not even a particularly interesting swordman's fight.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

In the SJ badass character list. Zoro is among the top. That's all you need to know.

Zoro > Kenpachi ez. And he's far from average, that's recency bias speaking.

Idk how could people compare Zoro to a soulless character like Kenpachi lol

I don't understand how any Strawhat, except Luffy and Sanji, can get a 6 on a vote like this.
They have little relevant panel time, they have 0 plotlines tied to them, so far that fan make them up and get obviously disappointed.
This is clearly Oda's biggest fault, and people giving 9 or tens, for me, is clearly unbelievable.
Pre time-skip Zoro, including his training, is an easy 8.
In the last 10 years, Zoro has done NOTHING (just like Franky, or Brook or others) except 1 interesting fight with King, who was not even a particularly interesting swordman's fight.

Bit rich and ironic coming from the fan of a trash character like Gaimon. This thread is not about post-timeskip Zoro, its about Zoro's character over the span of 25 years

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Idk how could people compare Zoro to a soulless character like Kenpachi lol

At least Kenpachi had an arc in the 2 of the 3 arcs he appears into...

Bit rich and ironic coming from the fan of a trash character like Gaimon. This thread is not about post-timeskip Zoro, its about Zoro's character over the span of 25 years

Gaimon is a minor obscure character, and he and a complete plot arc and even a cute epilogue with Sarfunkel.
You call it trash, but it's characters like Gaimon that One Piece lacks the most, like Pauli, like Konis's Dad, Mr Pink. Minor character with a nice little arc. And even Mr. Pink had more arc than Zoro's or Nami in the timeskip.
What has Zoro (or Franky, or Chooper) done in the last 10 of those 25 years?
Every major plot point of Zoro happened in Pre-Time skip, even blocking hakai pales compared towards "Nothing happened".

 

[ZenZu]

Idk how could people compare Zoro to a soulless character like Kenpachi lol

Kenpachi is like the exaggerated aspects of Zoro but amplified.

Zoro is actually a pretty deep thinker, who understands a situation without needing words, rarely speaks and lets his actions do the talking for him, but when he speaks it carries weight. That's what sets him apart from the other loudmouth badass characters in shonen.

One Piece is not about the SH crew anymore so unfortunately we don't get as many of those little character moments which give life to the cast.

 

[Fujishiro]

In the SJ badass character list. Zoro is among the top. That's all you need to know.

Zoro > Kenpachi ez. And he's far from average, that's recency bias speaking.

The only thing Kenny and Zoro have in common is that they are badass swordsmen. They differ greatly personality wise.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

At least Kenpachi had an arc in the 2 of the 3 arcs he appears into...

Gaimon is a minor obscure character, and he and a complete plot arc and even a cute epilogue with Sarfunkel.
You call it trash, but it's characters like Gaimon that One Piece lacks the most, like Pauli, like Konis's Dad, Mr Pink. Minor character with a nice little arc. And even Mr. Pink had more arc than Zoro's or Nami in the timeskip.
What has Zoro (or Franky, or Chooper) done in the last 10 of those 25 years?
Every major plot point of Zoro happened in Pre-Time skip, even blocking hakai pales compared towards "Nothing happened".

Dude you are still stuck on Gaimon because of the few panels he got 20 years ago, you are the last person who should judge Zoro based on the last 10 years. Better focus on why you're a fan of such a dumb loser who got trapped in a treasure chest, lmao

Kenpachi is like the exaggerated aspects of Zoro but amplified.

Zoro is actually a pretty deep thinker, who understands a situation without needing words, rarely speaks and lets his actions do the talking for him, but when he speaks it carries weight. That's what sets him apart from the other loudmouth badass characters in shonen.

One Piece is not about the SH crew anymore so unfortunately we don't get as many of those little character moments which give life to the cast.

Kenpachi is nowhere near as likable as Zoro. There is a good reason why Zoro is top 5 in myanimelist over many iconic protagonists of shonen

 

[comrade]

So now people evaluate a character's character based on the panel time he had and whether he received an arc?

 

[Fujishiro]

l

Kenpachi is nowhere near as likable as Zoro. There is a good reason why Zoro is top 5 in myanimelist over many iconic protagonists of shonen

Kenny is one of the most popular bleach characters.

 

[Cruxroux]

10/10....
For me , I have always loved Side Characters more than main characters. So I might be biased.
All I would say Is i enjoy him the most in panel than MC of any series (with exception of a few seinen manga).

Characters like Zoro are the reason shows run. I personally believe that , you can deny to that if you don't agree with me.

But if I Mihawk , Shanks , Zoro weren't in the start of the one piece introduction. Nothing really took my interests in one piece. And biggest fanbase happens to come out of these Characters aside from MC. MC is only on top due to the fact it's shounen manga and Kid prefer such goofy character and being the MC getting the most screentime. Zoro is pretty close to Luffy in terms of popularity for a reason.

Characters like Zoro , Kenpachi , Killua , Zoro , Vegeta , Levi ackerman , Sasuke brings something to the table which MC doesn't. , Hence their popularity.
These characters are not replaceable and show will take a huge hit if these are taken out of it.

 

[ZenZu]

Kenny is one of the most popular bleach characters.

Blue Haired Renji >

 

[comrade]

Kenny is one of the most popular bleach characters.

Tbh, I have only watched glimpses of Bleach post the Aizen arc, but was Kenpachi ever something else than a bloodlusted savage (in a positive way)? What was Byakuya's character development? Is bleach about character development at all? For as much as I know, it's just Dragonball style, powering up and fighting, there is no deeper sense or thought in the characters there.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

So now people evaluate a character's character based on the panel time he had and whether he received an arc?

Why are you reducing different people argument to straw men?
We are both saying that Zoro has lacked time to shine in the last arcs, and has shown little to no personality.
So of course we judge a character to what he does and says, and in Wano, in Dressrosa and Punk Hazard, except fighting the Octopus guy, Monet (showing nothing he had not shown before), fighting Pica (lol) and fighting rooftop (Again paling compared to Nothing happened) and King. Zoro has done nothing but fight, barely having any growth in these fights except King, and no arcs, no moments to shine.
So of course we judge him on the nothing his character was allowed to do in Dressrosa or Wano.

 

[NikaInParis]

I'd say a 3 since "other Shonen characters" is a pretty wide scope lol

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

10/10....
For me , I have always loved Side Characters more than main characters. So I might be biased.
All I would say Is i enjoy him the most in panel than MC of any series (with exception of a few seinen manga).

Characters like Zoro are the reason shows run. I personally believe that , you can deny to that if you don't agree with me.

But if I Mihawk , Shanks , Zoro weren't in the start of the one piece introduction. Nothing really took my interests in one piece. And biggest fanbase happens to come out of these Characters aside from MC. MC is only on top due to the fact it's shounen manga and Kid prefer such goofy character and being the MC getting the most screentime. Zoro is pretty close to Luffy in terms of popularity for a reason.

Characters like Zoro , Kenpachi , Killua , Zoro , Vegeta , Levi ackerman , Sasuke brings something to the table which MC doesn't. , Hence their popularity.
These characters are not replaceable and show will take a huge hit if these are taken out of it.

I think you make a very good point, but the Zoro that we get now pales compared to the Zoro of Enies Lobby or Thirller Bark.

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I'd say a 3 since "other Shonen characters" is a pretty wide scope lol

I mean, taking into consideration Simon from Gurren Lagann, Hanamichi Sakuragi or Rukawa from Slam Dunk, even the main guy from Gantz, or Guts..

 

[BlackLegFring]

7-8

Apart from Oda shafting everyone who isn’t Luffy post-skip, Zoro was actually great throughout all of pre-time skip.
He doesn’t suffer from the silly rivalry trope other stereotypical badass shounen characters do, thankfully. He has some of the best moments even when it isn’t related to fighting.

I know it’s easier to forget due to recent subpar parts of the manga, but don’t disrespect Zoro

 

[SakazOuki]

Pre ts Zoro is a 9/10 character
Post ts SHs are trash characters overall

 

[Wh1p]

9/10

 

[Fujishiro]

Grimmjow >

Hes up there but everytime kenny shows up its just pure hype. The thing is, is archetype and Zoros arent the same. He is close to a Blood Knight in that he lives to fight whereas Zoro fits the loyal samurai trope so we shouldnt compare them.

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Tbh, I have only watched glimpses of Bleach post the Aizen arc, but was Kenpachi ever something else than a bloodlusted savage (in a positive way)? What was Byakuya's character development? Is bleach about character development at all? For as much as I know, it's just Dragonball style, powering up and fighting, there is no deeper sense or thought in the characters there.

The only deep thing Zoro has shown is his loyalty to the crew, other then that he just does badass poses, says badass one liners and fights in a cool way. So why are people giving kenpachi shit for just being a cool fight loving guy?

 

[BOCCHI]

Zoro is your average Shonen badass main cast character in most manga series you gonna see his type tho since I love one piece I’m biased to say he is at the top of the list.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Kenny is one of the most popular bleach characters.

There are levels to this. Was Kenpachi ever in the top 3 most popular in Bleach polls? I don't think so. The same list myanimelist where Zoro is top 5, Kenpachi is not in top 150. As I said, Zoro is way more likable than Kenichi.

The only deep thing Zoro has shown is his loyalty to the crew

Stop this nonsense, you don't understand Zoro's character