Powers & Abilities Rayleigh doesn't have advanced coc

[Roronoa-sama]

He is trash nothing new

He can defeat kaido

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

maybe
maybe not
I cant say he wont cause technically a ryou flashback is how luffy learned how to do this.
not sure we are done with the ray flashbacks either.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Sanji fans say Rayleigh is trash.
Sanji fans also say Sanji is like Rayleigh.

Very nice. You guys finally woke up.

 

[İsrafil]

I hate Ray but he has.

 

[Cinera]

he trained luffy in advanced coa and coo, and while he did get further training for A COA from hyo, ray still showed it to him......but no sign of telling him advanced coc, luffy only seem to figure what it is from kaidou. kaidou comment that only a handful can do it confirms it even more.

Rayleigh never taught Luffy any of the two stages of Advanced Armament haki, so the argument that "Rayleigh did not teach Luffy this haki, therefore he doesn't have it" is not valid.

 

[CbShadow]

People want to pretend Rayleigh was PK level. Shit is sad.
Then again people want to claim Mihawk has adv CoC too when he can't even get past Joz or Vista LOL.

Where were Rayleigh's sky splitting slashes?
Why did Oda explicitly show us his advanced internal destruction but choose Pirate King and Yonko level combatants to show adv CoC?

And I give him this BS. Mihawk didn't use any name attacks or haki yet people believe he will try so hard to get past those two. The manga made it very clear he wasn't trying or serious throughout the entire war.

Rayleigh didn't teach Luffy everything. He showed him barrier haki but didn't even teach him how to use it. Oda is still developing his manga. We didn't even see blackened haki pre TS.

 

[stealthblack]

Rayleigh never taught Luffy any of the two stages of Advanced Armament haki, so the argument that "Rayleigh did not teach Luffy this haki, therefore he doesn't have it" is not valid.

he showed to lufyf how to do advanced coa when he used barrier to blocks elephant. it's just that luffy barely got normal coa so he still nedeed time before he could go advanced.

he also was also training him in coo like when he gets the ray flashback during katakuri fight
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Rayleigh only told Luffy the basics which he had to learn first. What's the point of teaching the advanced techniques when Luffy hasn't got the grasp of the very basics? Rayleigh also said you can't train to improve your CoC too.

he could have just told luffy that hey, there is this advanced coc, but you will figure it out later. anf even show it to him, like how he showed barrier haki to luffy when blocked elephant


kaidou basicaly half trained luffy by showing him what he is doing and luffy figured it out

 

[BleakAsh]

He also told Luffy the presence of 500 animals stronger than Luffy.
Does that mean he's a CoO master too?....

i believe he has mastered the essence of common CoO..

advanced would be FS, Scope and etc that come in the domain of AcoO

sanji has nearly mastered CoO i'd argue and was capable of dodging Katakuri..
and you'd except Reyleigh in his prime to have disgusting instincts as well.

so having AcoO or not doesn't really matter it just and extra perk that you attain depending on what type of fighter you are..

For luffy he was fighting against Katakuri with average observation... and had to attain the next level... and he still till now admits or alludes to that he hasn't really mastered his common CoO completely..

 

[Finalbeta]

He can defeat kaido

Base Kaido vs. Old Rayleigh would be intriguing to watch, no kidding.

I have Kaido a tad weaker than Kizaru and Old Ray would probably lose to Non Awakened Kizaru, wonder if he would lose to Base Kaido as well. The gap between Base and Hybrid Kaido doesn't look too excessive for now however.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Base Kaido vs. Old Rayleigh would be intriguing to watch, no kidding.

I have Kaido a tad weaker than Kizaru and Old Ray would probably lose to Non Awakened Kizaru, wonder if he would lose to Base Kaido as well. The gap between Base and Hybrid Kaido doesn't look too excessive for now however.

i was talking about prime ray

 

[Finalbeta]

i was talking about prime ray

Prime Ray might indeed defeat Kaido at full power yes. It's still unclear how far he was from Roger, probably consistently far, but not massively.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

50 - 50 imo

 

[Cinera]

he showed to lufyf how to do advanced coa when he used barrier to blocks elephant. it's just that luffy barely got normal coa so he still nedeed time before he could go advanced.

He didn't show Luffy the penetration/internal destruction variant.

 

[Gari]

"stealthblack"

 

[uyuu]

Ray doesn't have FS but he had Adv CoA. Imo he most likely doesn't have it since Luffy doesn't even know anything about it until Kaidou and Hyo. But Oda retcon things all the time so if Ray knows it then its another layer of PIS for Luffy since TS

 

[Finalbeta]

Ray showed how imposing Base stats can be. I have a hard time believing his CoO isn't better than Katakuri's lack of FS or not notwithstanding. For how efficiently he was tagging and reacting to Kizaru.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

But my friend @Zoro D Goat tell me than sanji is the new ray

When did I ever said that?

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Obviously.

most people only hype Rayleigh to try and put him above shanks. He didn’t teach luffy about it because he doesn’t have it.

He only told luffy future sight exists and there’s mighty warriors who use it so he clearly doesn’t have that also.

Rayleighs supposed to be an armament specialist.

Advanced armament
Basic observation
Basic observation

Rayleigh didn't teach him advanced COA too, but he was the first confirmed user of level 3 COA.

 

[Lukegranders]

Rayleigh didn't teach him advanced COA too, but he was the first confirmed user of level 3 COA.

yes he did. He literally showed luffy it. Luffy has a Rayleigh flashback when he was learning it

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

OT: Of course Rayleigh has it. He has all three kinds of Adv Haki, he knows about future sight but didn't teach Luffy, he knows how to break the collar without touching it but didn't teach Luffy, etc.