Announcement Regarding the recent events
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I guess Bogard made his Point of view pretty clear, so please dont fight over it, specially dont fight against other users, because you have different opinions here. It is fine to have different opinions, also if they doesnt match Bogards Opinion, or mine, or whoevers, but just sometimes accept other opinions and stay calm.
Also, i would prefer dont read any Insult against other users, even they are gone (Tangerine) or banned (Den Den and Dizzy). Insults get punished, no matter why, which reason and who gets insulted. Just a friendly reminder.
Thank you. :)
Also, i would prefer dont read any Insult against other users, even they are gone (Tangerine) or banned (Den Den and Dizzy). Insults get punished, no matter why, which reason and who gets insulted. Just a friendly reminder.
Thank you. :)
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I think @Bogard you better close this thread for further discussion...anyways I think it has been conveyed whatever you wanted to convey. Anymore discussion on this topic is pointless and gonna become another "big" event.
There is no person (including me) who is absolutely "neutral" here. Everyone here just take respective sides.
We better hope for good discussion/debate while respecting each others opinion about our favorite manga in future.
There is no person (including me) who is absolutely "neutral" here. Everyone here just take respective sides.
We better hope for good discussion/debate while respecting each others opinion about our favorite manga in future.
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Stop blinding yourself with your ego, you don't know anything about her and saying to one person that he shouldn't join suddenly become many people? Wow, you guys have good logic
Btw you meaning to tell me that it's all right to stalk someone on different forums, how are you telling me anything good here. First OJ grudge, now stalking, then bullying and what next?
Btw you meaning to tell me that it's all right to stalk someone on different forums, how are you telling me anything good here. First OJ grudge, now stalking, then bullying and what next?
Nobody is a saint here, I hope we don't start more drama over this and we all move on 
I made this post privately earlier today to try and get both sides to understand each other after everyone calms down, might as well share it here.
I made this post privately earlier today to try and get both sides to understand each other after everyone calms down, might as well share it here.
Ok now that I'm all caught up I have a few thoughts, I hope everyone is calmer now so maybe you'll get where I'm coming from.
Firstly, it's sad that a forum to discuss a series about connecting people is a platform for such unnecessary divisiveness and conflict.
I remember Den from my short time on OJ and that she took a lot of pride in her translations. So obviously getting accused of biased translations must have been hurtful. I'm empathetic towards that. And I believe Tangerine shouldn't have accused her of that. And I understand why some thought she wasn't fit to be a mod.
I also remember during my short time on OJ how Sanji and his fans were getting some of the most consistent, childish and unneeded bashing every week. It was becoming overbearing and I'm sure Sanji/SaNa fans that came over from OJ had thought this forum was a new beginning. So maybe seeing some of the old faces that used to rag on Sanji made them a little defensive because it brought out old feelings. It's like they wanted to be protective of this forum so it doesn't become the "Zoro fans bash Sanji" forum.
So I think some of her TB posts were related to her starting to see some of the same things she hated from OJ. I also empathize with that even though I don't think a mod should criticize their own forum.
I believe calmer heads should have prevailed and things didn't deteriorate to name calling. So I think a private conversation instead of saying things like "TB spy" in public could have prevented this from happening. Obviously seeing what Dizzy said in context, he didn't intend it to be taken literally. I understand why he feels like being accused of bullying over using a term like "sucking dick" that's used figuratively in every conversation is harsh. But that doesn't mean that it was right to say that about her and she has the right to take it personally.
I understand this is the internet and that's how business is being done here, but I try to be positive and reduce conflict as much as possible
I obviously hope that she'd stayed (and maybe after things cool off she can come back) and we could work this out but what's done is done. I hope nobody gets banned after this and both sides can at least try to understand where the other side is coming from.
Over the past week I tried making the "Non-strawhat crush" and "List of plot points that need to be addressed" threads to kind of steer some of the discussion away from power scaling and character fans vs each other because some people get too emotional and bad feelings persist.
Oda spends the majority of his effort and planning to focus on non-fighting aspects of OP and I feel that's severely under-discussed compared to versus battles and ships (maybe a thread on this coming later ). So I hope that if those less divisive elements are more focused on in discussion, things wouldn't get heated and eventually have another situation like this.
Firstly, it's sad that a forum to discuss a series about connecting people is a platform for such unnecessary divisiveness and conflict.
I remember Den from my short time on OJ and that she took a lot of pride in her translations. So obviously getting accused of biased translations must have been hurtful. I'm empathetic towards that. And I believe Tangerine shouldn't have accused her of that. And I understand why some thought she wasn't fit to be a mod.
I also remember during my short time on OJ how Sanji and his fans were getting some of the most consistent, childish and unneeded bashing every week. It was becoming overbearing and I'm sure Sanji/SaNa fans that came over from OJ had thought this forum was a new beginning. So maybe seeing some of the old faces that used to rag on Sanji made them a little defensive because it brought out old feelings. It's like they wanted to be protective of this forum so it doesn't become the "Zoro fans bash Sanji" forum.
So I think some of her TB posts were related to her starting to see some of the same things she hated from OJ. I also empathize with that even though I don't think a mod should criticize their own forum.
I believe calmer heads should have prevailed and things didn't deteriorate to name calling. So I think a private conversation instead of saying things like "TB spy" in public could have prevented this from happening. Obviously seeing what Dizzy said in context, he didn't intend it to be taken literally. I understand why he feels like being accused of bullying over using a term like "sucking dick" that's used figuratively in every conversation is harsh. But that doesn't mean that it was right to say that about her and she has the right to take it personally.
I understand this is the internet and that's how business is being done here, but I try to be positive and reduce conflict as much as possible
I obviously hope that she'd stayed (and maybe after things cool off she can come back) and we could work this out but what's done is done. I hope nobody gets banned after this and both sides can at least try to understand where the other side is coming from.
Over the past week I tried making the "Non-strawhat crush" and "List of plot points that need to be addressed" threads to kind of steer some of the discussion away from power scaling and character fans vs each other because some people get too emotional and bad feelings persist.
Oda spends the majority of his effort and planning to focus on non-fighting aspects of OP and I feel that's severely under-discussed compared to versus battles and ships (maybe a thread on this coming later ). So I hope that if those less divisive elements are more focused on in discussion, things wouldn't get heated and eventually have another situation like this.
I am no friend of shutting down discussions. I better try to calm them down and Keep them friendly. This should be peacefully discussable, which can lead to a better bonding inside the community. Shutting it down will only cause whispering, false Information and a fire in the backyard. If this wents to far with users, i prefer to threadban them, but let this open to discuss this whole incident, but Keep this discussion right here, so we all can come to an ending together.
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I am asking what's the issue with profile post? She did om entirely different forum that doesn't go against the rules of that forums so yeah she was not the one with the fault here.
If you acknowledge then it's nice but Stalking someone, trying to make reason from past grudge doesn't sound any better to me
If you acknowledge then it's nice but Stalking someone, trying to make reason from past grudge doesn't sound any better to me
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I have made my point clear, in the profile post, and in the PM by some users here. And those were:
1. Dizzy has insulted her personally and his ban is justified. And I have already said on multiple platforms that he should apologize to Tangerine about his remarks.
2. While Den_Den_Mushi has made remarks about her, he didn't attack directly by calling her things. But he should had never participated in this. So, for his case, Ban was probably harsh but a strong reprimand would had been welcome by me.
That is my opinion.
1. Dizzy has insulted her personally and his ban is justified. And I have already said on multiple platforms that he should apologize to Tangerine about his remarks.
2. While Den_Den_Mushi has made remarks about her, he didn't attack directly by calling her things. But he should had never participated in this. So, for his case, Ban was probably harsh but a strong reprimand would had been welcome by me.
That is my opinion.
Nobody is a saint here, I hope we don't start more drama over this and we all move on
I made this post privately earlier today to try and get both sides to understand each other after everyone calms down, might as well share it here.
I made this post privately earlier today to try and get both sides to understand each other after everyone calms down, might as well share it here.
Ok now that I'm all caught up I have a few thoughts, I hope everyone is calmer now so maybe you'll get where I'm coming from.
Firstly, it's sad that a forum to discuss a series about connecting people is a platform for such unnecessary divisiveness and conflict.
I remember Den from my short time on OJ and that she took a lot of pride in her translations. So obviously getting accused of biased translations must have been hurtful. I'm empathetic towards that. And I believe Tangerine shouldn't have accused her of that. And I understand why some thought she wasn't fit to be a mod.
I also remember during my short time on OJ how Sanji and his fans were getting some of the most consistent, childish and unneeded bashing every week. It was becoming overbearing and I'm sure Sanji/SaNa fans that came over from OJ had thought this forum was a new beginning. So maybe seeing some of the old faces that used to rag on Sanji made them a little defensive because it brought out old feelings. It's like they wanted to be protective of this forum so it doesn't become the "Zoro fans bash Sanji" forum.
So I think some of her TB posts were related to her starting to see some of the same things she hated from OJ. I also empathize with that even though I don't think a mod should criticize their own forum.
I believe calmer heads should have prevailed and things didn't deteriorate to name calling. So I think a private conversation instead of saying things like "TB spy" in public could have prevented this from happening. Obviously seeing what Dizzy said in context, he didn't intend it to be taken literally. I understand why he feels like being accused of bullying over using a term like "sucking dick" that's used figuratively in every conversation is harsh. But that doesn't mean that it was right to say that about her and she has the right to take it personally.
I understand this is the internet and that's how business is being done here, but I try to be positive and reduce conflict as much as possible
I obviously hope that she'd stayed (and maybe after things cool off she can come back) and we could work this out but what's done is done. I hope nobody gets banned after this and both sides can at least try to understand where the other side is coming from.
Over the past week I tried making the "Non-strawhat crush" and "List of plot points that need to be addressed" threads to kind of steer some of the discussion away from power scaling and character fans vs each other because some people get too emotional and bad feelings persist.
Oda spends the majority of his effort and planning to focus on non-fighting aspects of OP and I feel that's severely under-discussed compared to versus battles and ships (maybe a thread on this coming later ). So I hope that if those less divisive elements are more focused on in discussion, things wouldn't get heated and eventually have another situation like this.
Firstly, it's sad that a forum to discuss a series about connecting people is a platform for such unnecessary divisiveness and conflict.
I remember Den from my short time on OJ and that she took a lot of pride in her translations. So obviously getting accused of biased translations must have been hurtful. I'm empathetic towards that. And I believe Tangerine shouldn't have accused her of that. And I understand why some thought she wasn't fit to be a mod.
I also remember during my short time on OJ how Sanji and his fans were getting some of the most consistent, childish and unneeded bashing every week. It was becoming overbearing and I'm sure Sanji/SaNa fans that came over from OJ had thought this forum was a new beginning. So maybe seeing some of the old faces that used to rag on Sanji made them a little defensive because it brought out old feelings. It's like they wanted to be protective of this forum so it doesn't become the "Zoro fans bash Sanji" forum.
So I think some of her TB posts were related to her starting to see some of the same things she hated from OJ. I also empathize with that even though I don't think a mod should criticize their own forum.
I believe calmer heads should have prevailed and things didn't deteriorate to name calling. So I think a private conversation instead of saying things like "TB spy" in public could have prevented this from happening. Obviously seeing what Dizzy said in context, he didn't intend it to be taken literally. I understand why he feels like being accused of bullying over using a term like "sucking dick" that's used figuratively in every conversation is harsh. But that doesn't mean that it was right to say that about her and she has the right to take it personally.
I understand this is the internet and that's how business is being done here, but I try to be positive and reduce conflict as much as possible
I obviously hope that she'd stayed (and maybe after things cool off she can come back) and we could work this out but what's done is done. I hope nobody gets banned after this and both sides can at least try to understand where the other side is coming from.
Over the past week I tried making the "Non-strawhat crush" and "List of plot points that need to be addressed" threads to kind of steer some of the discussion away from power scaling and character fans vs each other because some people get too emotional and bad feelings persist.
Oda spends the majority of his effort and planning to focus on non-fighting aspects of OP and I feel that's severely under-discussed compared to versus battles and ships (maybe a thread on this coming later ). So I hope that if those less divisive elements are more focused on in discussion, things wouldn't get heated and eventually have another situation like this.
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Lol bit rich coming from the guy who called people dickriders. Im not invested in who or what. I was on that post. Dizzy went too far as ive said. Ive no issue with the screenshot.
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