Character Discussion Regarding ZKK and people's criticism of Wano
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I have this.
I even drew lines to help you understand better. But you have zero comprehension skills sadly.
- Zoro says "Im starting to run out of hope" after knowing all of Kuma's abilities
- Zoro then states "So the only way you'll leave in peace" accepting that all his efforts are pointless and he cant defeat him.
- After Zoro realises Kuma wont leave without someones head, he offers his own since its the only way to get rid of Kuma.
Now would Zoro resort to this if he was the victor ? No because Kuma wouldve been defeated and wouldve went away
Would Zoro resort to this if it was a draw ? No because if it was then nothing bad would happen to anybody or something bad would happen to both of them.
So now tell me if Zoro wasnt defeated by giving up, why would he take the cowardly way out and beg for Luffy's life instead of pushing Kuma to a draw or beating him.
Sadly I dont think you can answer this as you lack development in the lump in your head.
I even drew lines to help you understand better. But you have zero comprehension skills sadly.
- Zoro says "Im starting to run out of hope" after knowing all of Kuma's abilities
- Zoro then states "So the only way you'll leave in peace" accepting that all his efforts are pointless and he cant defeat him.
- After Zoro realises Kuma wont leave without someones head, he offers his own since its the only way to get rid of Kuma.
Now would Zoro resort to this if he was the victor ? No because Kuma wouldve been defeated and wouldve went away
Would Zoro resort to this if it was a draw ? No because if it was then nothing bad would happen to anybody or something bad would happen to both of them.
So now tell me if Zoro wasnt defeated by giving up, why would he take the cowardly way out and beg for Luffy's life instead of pushing Kuma to a draw or beating him.
Sadly I dont think you can answer this as you lack development in the lump in your head.
Well, they are wrong. Whether he kills him or not, Oda has sown the seeds for Zoro's current desire to slay Kaido.
Comes to Wano and sees the people suffering yet pulling through. They earn his empathy and respect.
The villains who left them in that horrible state have been abusing them further. Either by wasting the food they deny them or stripping them of their emotions.
The man Zoro came to respect most on Wano asks in his last thoughts to go to Onigashima in order to avenge him.
Zoro wants that after witnessing his horrific death.
Orochi? Defeating him won't change anything. Kaido's the actual threat.
Boiling it down, Zoro has witnessed first hand how horribly the Wano people have lived. The one who's responsible for this and enabled Orochi to begin with was Kaido. Zoro knows he has the strength to make a difference, so he's determined to fight Kaido in order to free Wano.
Comes to Wano and sees the people suffering yet pulling through. They earn his empathy and respect.
The villains who left them in that horrible state have been abusing them further. Either by wasting the food they deny them or stripping them of their emotions.
The man Zoro came to respect most on Wano asks in his last thoughts to go to Onigashima in order to avenge him.
Zoro wants that after witnessing his horrific death.
Orochi? Defeating him won't change anything. Kaido's the actual threat.
Boiling it down, Zoro has witnessed first hand how horribly the Wano people have lived. The one who's responsible for this and enabled Orochi to begin with was Kaido. Zoro knows he has the strength to make a difference, so he's determined to fight Kaido in order to free Wano.
I have this.
I even drew lines to help you understand better. But you have zero comprehension skills sadly.
- Zoro says "Im starting to run out of hope" after knowing all of Kuma's abilities
- Zoro then states "So the only way you'll leave in peace" accepting that all his efforts are pointless and he cant defeat him.
- After Zoro realises Kuma wont leave without someones head, he offers his own since its the only way to get rid of Kuma.
Now would Zoro resort to this if he was the victor ? No because Kuma wouldve been defeated and wouldve went away
Would Zoro resort to this if it was a draw ? No because if it was then nothing bad would happen to anybody or something bad would happen to both of them.
So now tell me if Zoro wasnt defeated by giving up, why would he take the cowardly way out and beg for Luffy's life instead of pushing Kuma to a draw or beating him.
Sadly I dont think you can answer this as you lack development in the lump in your head.
I even drew lines to help you understand better. But you have zero comprehension skills sadly.
- Zoro says "Im starting to run out of hope" after knowing all of Kuma's abilities
- Zoro then states "So the only way you'll leave in peace" accepting that all his efforts are pointless and he cant defeat him.
- After Zoro realises Kuma wont leave without someones head, he offers his own since its the only way to get rid of Kuma.
Now would Zoro resort to this if he was the victor ? No because Kuma wouldve been defeated and wouldve went away
Would Zoro resort to this if it was a draw ? No because if it was then nothing bad would happen to anybody or something bad would happen to both of them.
So now tell me if Zoro wasnt defeated by giving up, why would he take the cowardly way out and beg for Luffy's life instead of pushing Kuma to a draw or beating him.
Sadly I dont think you can answer this as you lack development in the lump in your head.
Lmao the amount of excuses yall are making for Zoro.
The dude said " I will never lose again"
Heres the SP translation
Since then hes lost multiple times. Hes never ever mentioned it being about sword fights at all. The whole point is about him not losing to someone hes fighting.
"Buh....buh....they werent his opponents"
Seems like his opponent to me.
The dude said " I will never lose again"
Heres the SP translation
Since then hes lost multiple times. Hes never ever mentioned it being about sword fights at all. The whole point is about him not losing to someone hes fighting.
"Buh....buh....they werent his opponents"
Seems like his opponent to me.
Didn't Kizaru mopped the Sabaody's floor with all the SH's, including Zoro? Was that not an L as well?
Rayleigh literally saving him is a W?
And then Kuma showing up again and sending them away while none of them, again including Zoro, couldn't do shit, again?
Best Zoro could do at TB was a sneaky attack and then he was like "plx, no kill luffy. you too strong. me too weak. kill me instead."
How the hell can't people see that was a L for Zoro? All the SH's were already at their limit after the Moria fight, and then ANOTHER Shichibukai, one with an even more annoying power, comes in and basically just finish them. What's the matter in taking a L in this situation? Zoro is not going to be a scrub for losing in that situation. Just calm down and accept his defeat.
Zoro's declaration of "not losing again" was a moment he came to terms with his own weakeness, and accepted that he still had a long way to go before being able to defeat Mihawk. Which is way it was important that his main fights were about him getting stronger, learning new techniques to include in his arsenal, so that, one day, he could best Mihawk. But you shouldn't take it like he is literally never going to lose again. He lost in Water7, he lost in TB, he lost in Sabaody. And yet, after Sabaody, he again realized he was too weak, but by that time, instead of asking Mihawk to train him, so he could beat Mihawk himself, he did to become strong enough to help Luffy become Pirate King, throwing once again, his pride aside for his captain.
L's are important to a character's development. Don't know why you people get triggered so much about this subject.
Rayleigh literally saving him is a W?
And then Kuma showing up again and sending them away while none of them, again including Zoro, couldn't do shit, again?
Best Zoro could do at TB was a sneaky attack and then he was like "plx, no kill luffy. you too strong. me too weak. kill me instead."
How the hell can't people see that was a L for Zoro? All the SH's were already at their limit after the Moria fight, and then ANOTHER Shichibukai, one with an even more annoying power, comes in and basically just finish them. What's the matter in taking a L in this situation? Zoro is not going to be a scrub for losing in that situation. Just calm down and accept his defeat.
Zoro's declaration of "not losing again" was a moment he came to terms with his own weakeness, and accepted that he still had a long way to go before being able to defeat Mihawk. Which is way it was important that his main fights were about him getting stronger, learning new techniques to include in his arsenal, so that, one day, he could best Mihawk. But you shouldn't take it like he is literally never going to lose again. He lost in Water7, he lost in TB, he lost in Sabaody. And yet, after Sabaody, he again realized he was too weak, but by that time, instead of asking Mihawk to train him, so he could beat Mihawk himself, he did to become strong enough to help Luffy become Pirate King, throwing once again, his pride aside for his captain.
L's are important to a character's development. Don't know why you people get triggered so much about this subject.
I'm interested to learn how you would argue Zoro vs Enel. While were at it, let me know if you could also argue Zoro vs Kaku (Galley La Headquarters fight) and Zoro vs Lucci. I reread those panels and they're pretty conclusive losses.
He was at full strength against Kaku during their first fight at Galley La, and he lost.
He was also beaten by Lucci that same day.
Your reasoning for Zoro losing to Enel isn't good. We're talking about losses. Not losses "If he had CoA". You could argue Luffy would have never lost to Crocodile the first time either if he had CoA, but that is not the argument. The argument is, did he have a fight with Enel and what was the outcome?
He was at full strength against Kaku during their first fight at Galley La, and he lost.
He was also beaten by Lucci that same day.
Your reasoning for Zoro losing to Enel isn't good. We're talking about losses. Not losses "If he had CoA". You could argue Luffy would have never lost to Crocodile the first time either if he had CoA, but that is not the argument. The argument is, did he have a fight with Enel and what was the outcome?
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He was at full strength against Kaku during their first fight at Galley La, and he lost.
He was also beaten by Lucci that same day.
Your reasoning for Zoro losing to Enel isn't good. We're talking about losses. Not losses "If he had CoA". You could argue Luffy would have never lost to Crocodile the first time either if he had CoA, but that is not the argument. The argument is, did he have a fight with Enel and what was the outcome?
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He was at full strength against Kaku during their first fight at Galley La, and he lost.
He was also beaten by Lucci that same day.
Your reasoning for Zoro losing to Enel isn't good. We're talking about losses. Not losses "If he had CoA". You could argue Luffy would have never lost to Crocodile the first time either if he had CoA, but that is not the argument. The argument is, did he have a fight with Enel and what was the outcome?