Character Discussion Respect Doflamingo

[Ven437]

Yet another Lord Cracker UPscale

Hands in pocket Kuzan did a short chill which Doffy got out no problem. Very impressive considering Jozu got destroyed by it. Against Cracker he needed to exert enough chill to freeze the ENTIRE CITY. Just how much of a threat did Wracker pose while he was still in recovery mode and also needed to bring in Van Auger?

@MarineHQ @Steven

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Btw Law is equal to Kidd despite not being a Conqueror like him. Just sayin'.

 

[Uncle Van]

When did the TR or Oven break out of Kuzans Ice?

It doesn't necessarily show that he's above them, but it shows he can get out of a situation that would end several other characters. That's portrayal.

How did Mingo break of the ice? Coc? Df? Or something completely unknown?

And that is nowjere near being portrayal. That logic only further says Cracker>Mingo since Cracker didnt need to rely on the G4 time limit.

You're not a yonko fan are you


I'm not awaiting a reply from you I threw it out to double down on how important it is for Kuzan to freeze on contact, and call out Yonko fan double standard

But why reply to me with something completely irrelevant to my conversation and point?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

How did Mingo break of the ice? Coc? Df? Or something completely unknown?

And that is nowjere near being portrayal. That logic only further says Cracker>Mingo since Cracker didnt need to rely on the G4 time limit.



But why reply to me with something completely irrelevant to my conversation and point?

I also don't get it because Yonko fans like me admit that Kuzan would beat Garp if he used his fruit more, especially if he has Awakening which Punk Hazard heavily hinted towards.

 

[sanjikun]

I don't know if you know this but the Warlords aren't the part of the balance of powers that are meant to fight the Yonko themselves.

Lol, bro go read the fucking manga cause you're just embarrassing yourself.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Lol, bro go read the fucking manga cause you're just embarrassing yourself.

Oh right the Warlords fight the Emperors and the Admirals just sit there and twiddle their fucking thumbs. That makes sooo much sense. I wonder why Oda specifically had the amount of Admirals and Yonko be the same.
And that panel obviously doesn't mean they're all going against Whitebeard, so, what do YOU think it means?
It's almost as if.. Again... The Warlords are there to take out the Commanders while the Admirals fight Whitebeard. Hence why not a single Warlord touched Whitebeard while all 3 Admirals fought him.

 

[soupongo]

How did Mingo break of the ice? Coc? Df?

Either or, I guess?

And that is nowjere near being portrayal.

Of course it's portrayal bro. Doffy broke out of an admirals Ice and laughed in his face. if Cracker did that, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

 

[ZenZu]

Of course it's portrayal bro. Doffy broke out of an admirals Ice and laughed in his face. if Cracker did that, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Saying it isn't portrayal is insane lol. It's obviously portrayal. It's quite frankly nothing but portrayal, it's hardly a feat.

 

[Uncle Van]

Either or, I guess?

Of course it's portrayal bro. Doffy broke out of an admirals Ice and laughed in his face. if Cracker did that, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

How can it be portrayal of Mingo being superior if he used CoC or his DF? Jozu got hit by ice time, Mingo by flash freeze. Cracker cant use his fruit without his hands just like Law. I highly doubt PageOne is being portrayed superior to Law if he breaks out of ice while Law is stuck.

Just cause other people would start screaming about it doesnt make them right.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

How can it be portrayal of Mingo being superior if he used CoC or his DF? Jozu got hit by ice time, Mingo by flash freeze. Cracker cant use his fruit without his hands just like Law. I highly doubt PageOne is being portrayed superior to Law if he breaks out of ice while Law is stuck.

Just cause other people would start screaming about it doesnt make them right.

I must once again bring up the fact that Usopp was the ONLY Straw Hat that could resist Perona's powers, which is how he defeated her. No other Straw Hat could defeat her.
That does not mean Usopp is the strongest member, above even Luffy.

 

[Uncle Van]

I must once again bring up the fact that Usopp was the ONLY Straw Hat that could resist Perona's powers, which is how he defeated her. No other Straw Hat could defeat her.
That does not mean Usopp is the strongest member, above even Luffy.

This is actually a perfect example. And their logic still says Cracker>Mingo via portrayal since Luffy couldnt do anything to Cracker could pummel Mingo. It was recommended for Luffy to run from Cracker, but everyone including overprotective Sabo and gambler Fuji thought Luffy could beat Mingo.

 

[ZenZu]

How can it be portrayal of Mingo being superior if he used CoC or his DF? Jozu got hit by ice time, Mingo by flash freeze. Cracker cant use his fruit without his hands just like Law. I highly doubt PageOne is being portrayed superior to Law if he breaks out of ice while Law is stuck.

I don't think you understand what portrayal is if you think that isn't portrayal. Portrayal doesn't care for any of what you're talking about, it's the author putting a character in a position to make him look good. No shapeshifting fodder (or most commanders) is sniffing a scene like that because Oda doesn't want to portray them in that manner.

Oda would never make Page1 break out of the ice for that reason. Regardless of how you think the interaction should work, he simply wouldn't put him in that position, while he could put Law in a more favorable position, to highlight his strengths.

 

[soupongo]

How can it be portrayal of Mingo being superior if he used CoC or his DF? Jozu got hit by ice time, Mingo by flash freeze.

It's portrayal for Doflamingo, how that compares to other characters is clearly debatable/subjective

How can it be portrayal of Mingo being superior if he used CoC or his DF?

Because Doffy has COC and a DF that could potentially deal with this and other characters don't?

Cracker cant use his fruit without his hands just like Law.

That's his weakness/downside, then?

. I highly doubt PageOne is being portrayed superior to Law if he breaks out of ice while Law is stuck.

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Not inherently, but it would be a factor.

 

[Uncle Van]

I don't think you understand what portrayal is if you think that isn't portrayal. Portrayal doesn't care for any of what you're talking about, it's the author putting a character in a position to make him look good. No shapeshifting fodder (or most commanders) is sniffing a scene like that because Oda doesn't want to portray them in that manner.

Oda would never make Page1 break out of the ice for that reason. Regardless of how you think the interaction should work, he simply wouldn't put him in that position, while he could put Law in a more favorable position, to highlight his strengths.

That isn't portrayal of Mingo being superior to them. Why should Mingo alone get singled out? Oda drew Luffy get one shot by Kaido, but not Kinemon, Zoro, and Law. Is Oda portraying Kinemon on their level and superior to WCI Luffy based on your logic? This "Mingo portrayal" is nothing but your own personal interpretation that isn't supported by what Oda does.

He wouldnt draw P1 breaking free from Flash freeze? Says who? He draws top tiers almost getting murdered by characters they can one shot. He almost had Mingo get killed by damaged organs, something he had Ulti survive without treatment. Oda never once committed to Mingo being that strong and always gave him help and an advantage.

 

[ZenZu]

That isn't portrayal of Mingo being superior to them. Why should Mingo alone get singled out? Oda drew Luffy get one shot by Kaido, but not Kinemon, Zoro, and Law. Is Oda portraying Kinemon on their level and superior to WCI Luffy based on your logic? This "Mingo portrayal" is nothing but your own personal interpretation that isn't supported by what Oda does.

He wouldnt draw P1 breaking free from Flash freeze? Says who? He draws top tiers almost getting murdered by characters they can one shot. He almost had Mingo get killed by damaged organs, something he had Ulti survive without treatment. Oda never once committed to Mingo being that strong and always gave him help and an advantage.

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Oda thinks highly of Doffy's image, it's a fact. Breaking out of Kuzan's ice and snickering in his face is de facto portrayal. Using Jozu as a footstool is de facto portrayal. No amount of hyper analyzing matchups or situations can change that. That is what portrayal means.

Whether he is stronger, or who he beats, that's a different discussion.

Respect Doflamingo.

 

[kekaro]

@MarineHQ

 

[soupongo]

That isn't portrayal of Mingo being superior to them. Why should Mingo alone get singled out?.

Because Doflamingo was singled out in the scene were are discussing, lol? Is this a serious question?

Oda drew Luffy get one shot by Kaido, but not Kinemon, Zoro, and Law. Is Oda portraying Kinemon on their level and superior to WCI Luffy based on your logic? This "Mingo portrayal" is nothing but your own personal interpretation that isn't supported by what Oda does.

He wouldnt draw P1 breaking free from Flash freeze? Says who? He draws top tiers almost getting murdered by characters they can one shot. He almost had Mingo get killed by damaged organs, something he had Ulti survive without treatment. Oda never once committed to Mingo being that strong and always gave him help and an advantage.

The silver lining being that Kaido only really saw Luffy as worth his time, while he decided to go back drinking instead of dealing with the rest of the supernova. A better example would be Kaido singling Kidd and Luffy out as characters he would want as potential soldiers for him. Same way that Doffy is singled out as a legitimate threat by Kuzan.

This "Mingo portrayal" is nothing but your own personal interpretation that isn't supported by what Oda does.

You're essentially arguing against the concept of portrayal here. It's about how Oda presents the characters, and the reactions the audience gets from it.

He wouldnt draw P1 breaking free from Flash freeze?

Has a P1 level character ever broken out of a flash freeze? We can say he wouldn't draw it, because something like that has never happened.

 

[Uncle Van]

Because Doflamingo was singled out in the scene were are discussing, lol? Is this a serious question?

? Mingo was the only hostile person there with Kuzan...how exactly is Mingo being singled out if hes the only guy there threatening Smoker's life?

The silver lining being that Kaido only really saw Luffy as worth his time, while he decided to go back drinking instead of dealing with the rest of the supernova. A better example would be Kaido singling Kidd and Luffy out as characters he would want as potential soldiers for him. Same way that Doffy is singled out as a legitimate threat by Kuzan.

Dodging the point. Oda drew Pre-Udon Luffy getting one shot, and Kinemon getting hit multiple timed and surviving Kaido's attempts to kill him. Oda must mean Kinemon>Luffy since that's all it takes.

Again, how is Mingo singled out as a legitimate threat?

You're essentially arguing against the concept of portrayal here. It's about how Oda presents the characters, and the reactions the audience gets from it.

I'm obviously not but ok. The many diverse interpretations of the audience is irrelvant. Some believed Mingo was as strong as admirals after the ice scene which is objectively false.

Has a P1 level character ever broken out of a flash freeze? We can say he wouldn't draw it, because something like that has never happened.

We've never seen Mingo do better against Boundman than Cracker either. We can also assume current Luffy cant hurt Jack cause Oda never drew it. That isn't how it works.

 

[sanjikun]

Lol, yep. These arguments are always so dumb. Doffy sent Vergo after Law as well. Does that mean Vergo > Law?

Marco sent Vista after Mihawk, so Vista > Shanks?

it's the author putting a character in a position to make him look good.

Most people don't seem to get this point. Oda can make a character look good or bad simply based on circumstance.

You can argue that shit like this could happen to Admirals or Yonkos, but Oda would never do that cause it's laughable.

Imagine a Top Tier being taken out like that by a rando Vice Admirals. Oda will never set up the story that way.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Lol, yep. These arguments are always so dumb. Doffy sent Vergo after Law as well. Does that mean Vergo > Law?

Marco sent Vista after Mihawk, so Vista > Shanks?



Most people don't seem to get this point. Oda can make a character look good or bad simply based on circumstance.

You can argue that shit like this could happen to Admirals or Yonkos, but Oda would never do that cause it's laughable.

Imagine a Top Tier being taken out like that by a rando Vice Admirals. Oda will never set up the story that way.

This is the height of disingenuous arguments. Marco was off guard trying to save Ace while an Admiral was shooting him and a random dude managed to get behind him and pop seastone cuffs over his arms. How is that an anti feat?