General & Others Revolutionary army and beast pirates

[Albino 👑]

1. Monkey D Dragon = kaido the man that ate the seiryu aka dragon fruit
2. Kuma king of sorbet kingdom and part of an extinct race = alber aka king
3. Ivankov queen of Kamabakka kingdom and specializes in body modification = queen aka we don’t know his real name
4. Sabo = Yamato with both basically being the ace of their group, successors to their captains, and likely have similar fighting styles to them on top of that

 

[Thaidakar]

Except kaido didn't run away when some brats infiltrated his territory :yurazclear:

 

[Moegara]

There are similar individual's but Sabo is clearly King's counterpart. Official seconds of the crew, strongests after their captains, and not their leader's son.

That, coupled with Dragon's fruit being unknown (and certainly not the same as Kaido's) makes it so only the Ivankov and Queen parallel's stands, and even then they don't really share rank, as Ivankov is tied in rank with 4 other people (Morley, Karasu and company) unlike being a clear number 2.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Very similar. At the moment Kaido seem to have had a deeper crew though (not necessarily stronger individually) with the top 4 arguably being very close in power level.

Jack & Apoo > No known equivalent
6 Tobi Roppo > 4 Blue commanders
Headliners (incl Hawkins) > No known equivalent
30.000 men - No known equivalent
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There are similar individual's but Sabo is clearly King's counterpart. Official seconds of the crew, strongests after their captains, and not their leader's son.

That, coupled with Dragon's fruit being unknown (and certainly not the same as Kaido's) makes it so only the Ivankov and Queen parallel's stands, and even then they don't really share rank, as Ivankov is tied in rank with 4 other people (Morley, Karasu and company) unlike being a clear number 2.

Sabo is clearly Yamatos counterpart and Aces.

Oden - King - Kuma are the right hand men.

Oden is the only man to be called little brother instead of son.
Alber was hand picked by Kaido and bestowed the title of King.
We are about to see Kumas position before doing his special mission but we know he was a literal King (same pattern as Hell King Zoro, Dark King Rayleigh, "King" Alber).

Sabo - Ace - Yamato are the Aces. Groomed to become new captains in due time.

 

[Albino 👑]

There are similar individual's but Sabo is clearly King's counterpart. Official seconds of the crew, strongests after their captains, and not their leader's son.

That, coupled with Dragon's fruit being unknown (and certainly not the same as Kaido's) makes it so only the Ivankov and Queen parallel's stands, and even then they don't really share rank, as Ivankov is tied in rank with 4 other people (Morley, Karasu and company) unlike being a clear number 2.

No sabo isn’t
Kuma and ivankov were dragons right and left hand men or his 1 and 2 back in the day. Kuma is even part of an extinct race and was a literal king

Very similar. At the moment Kaido seem to have had a deeper crew though (not necessarily stronger individually) with the top 4 arguably being very close in power level.

Jack & Apoo > No known equivalent
6 Tobi Roppo > 4 Blue commanders
Headliners (incl Hawkins) > No known equivalent
30.000 men - No known equivalent

Eh I don’t think every single member needs an equivalent

 

[RayanOO]

Very similar. At the moment Kaido seem to have had a deeper crew though (not necessarily stronger individually) with the top 4 arguably being very close in power level.

Jack & Apoo > No known equivalent
6 Tobi Roppo > 4 Blue commanders
Headliners (incl Hawkins) > No known equivalent
30.000 men - No known equivalent
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Sabo is clearly Yamatos counterpart and Aces.

Oden - King - Kuma are the right hand men.

Oden is the only man to be called little brother instead of son.
Alber was hand picked by Kaido and bestowed the title of King.
We are about to see Kumas position before doing his special mission but we know he was a literal King (same pattern as Hell King Zoro, Dark King Rayleigh, "King" Alber).

Sabo - Ace - Yamato are the Aces. Groomed to become new captains in due time.

I think the 4 Blue commanders are portrayed better than the 6 TR
And you can add Inazuma to the Vet level guys in the Revo Army

 

[CensoredbyWG]

There are similar individual's but Sabo is clearly King's counterpart. Official seconds of the crew, strongests after their captains, and not their leader's son.

That, coupled with Dragon's fruit being unknown (and certainly not the same as Kaido's) makes it so only the Ivankov and Queen parallel's stands, and even then they don't really share rank, as Ivankov is tied in rank with 4 other people (Morley, Karasu and company) unlike being a clear number 2.

King isn't stronger than yamato lol.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The beast pirates are a failed version of the revs as Kaido and Dragon initially had similar goals to bring the CDs down to earth.

So yeah the Dragons Kings and Queens are definitely set up to be counterparts

 

[Albino 👑]

Very similar. At the moment Kaido seem to have had a deeper crew though (not necessarily stronger individually) with the top 4 arguably being very close in power level.

Jack & Apoo > No known equivalent
6 Tobi Roppo > 4 Blue commanders
Headliners (incl Hawkins) > No known equivalent
30.000 men - No known equivalent
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Sabo is clearly Yamatos counterpart and Aces.

Oden - King - Kuma are the right hand men.

Oden is the only man to be called little brother instead of son.
Alber was hand picked by Kaido and bestowed the title of King.
We are about to see Kumas position before doing his special mission but we know he was a literal King (same pattern as Hell King Zoro, Dark King Rayleigh, "King" Alber).

Sabo - Ace - Yamato are the Aces. Groomed to become new captains in due time.

Eh I wouldn’t really compare them to oden either lol. Back then oden was the only real stick out member back then

When I say ace I mean during the time when Marco and jozu were the 2 standout members besides him. So it’d be more like

• Sabo - Yamato - Ace
• Kuma - king - Marco
• Ivankov - queen - jozu

Tho the way the revolutionary army is similar to the beast pirates isn’t 100% the same reason the beast pirates are similar to the whitebeard pirates

 

[Moegara]

No sabo isn’t
Kuma and ivankov were dragons right and left hand men or his 1 and 2 back in the day. Kuma is even part of an extinct race and was a literal king

Eh I don’t think every single member needs an equivalent

If you talk about "back in the day", Sabo wasn't in the crew, if you talk about when the manga actually takes place, Kuma isn't in the crew, and Sabo is number 2.

You can't have all the parallels at the same time.
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King isn't stronger than yamato lol.

Either you don't consider Yamato part of the crew, which to be honest she isn't to me, or you acknowledge King is stronger than Yamato.

 

[RayanOO]

King is really a patchwork of all the RH lol


- flying flaming bird like Marco
- Dark leather theme like Kata
- Hiding his face like Kata
- Slave, scientific project and extinct race like Kuma
- Sword and bad guy like Shiryu
- For Ben it’s more of a reach : same hair ?

 

[Moegara]

King is really a patchwork of all the RH lol


- flying flaming bird like Marco
- Dark leather theme like Kata
- Hiding his face like Kata
- Slave, scientific project and extinct race like Kuma
- Sword and bad guy like Shiryu
- For Ben it’s more of a reach : same hair ?

For Ben it's being the most handsome ones.

 

[JoNdule]

1. Monkey D Dragon = kaido the man that ate the seiryu aka dragon fruit
2. Kuma king of sorbet kingdom and part of an extinct race = alber aka king
3. Ivankov queen of Kamabakka kingdom and specializes in body modification = queen aka we don’t know his real name
4. Sabo = Yamato with both basically being the ace of their group, successors to their captains, and likely have similar fighting styles to them on top of that

Spot on
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King is really a patchwork of all the RH lol


- flying flaming bird like Marco
- Dark leather theme like Kata
- Hiding his face like Kata
- Slave, scientific project and extinct race like Kuma
- Sword and bad guy like Shiryu
- For Ben it’s more of a reach : same hair ?

That's why I don't like King
Oda just reuse characters designs/quirks on him

 

[Albino 👑]

If you talk about "back in the day", Sabo wasn't in the crew, if you talk about when the manga actually takes place, Kuma isn't in the crew, and Sabo is number 2.

You can't have all the parallels at the same time.
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Either you don't consider Yamato part of the crew, which to be honest she isn't to me, or you acknowledge King is stronger than Yamato.

Kuma and ivankov along with king and queen were the main members back I’m the day

Yamato and sabo being newer more important additions.

1. Yamato was supposed to take over wano and will likely succeed in seeing/using pluton
   • Yamato even fights similar to kaido
2. Sabo is already arguably just as big a deal as dragon himself and based on his dragon themed attacks might’ve learned them from dragon himself
   • He’s definitely going to have conquerors on top of that as well

 

[Moegara]

Kuma and ivankov along with king and queen were the main members back I’m the day

Yamato and sabo being newer more important additions.

1. Yamato was supposed to take over wano and will likely succeed in seeing/using pluton
   • Yamato even fights similar to kaido
2. Sabo is already arguably just as big a deal as dragon himself and based on his dragon themed attacks might’ve learned them from dragon himself
   • He’s definitely going to have conquerors on top of that as well

I know there are some similarities, but they aren't parallels: I don't exactly see Yamato taking over Orochi's role as an equivalent of Sabo actually being Dragon's successor, and on top of that she didn't even allow it to happen.

One's a puppet that was never part of the crew's hierarchy and idolized the enemies, actually joining them to fight the Beasts Pirates, while the other actually became second in command and loves his leader, making him just a YC1 from the moment Kuma left the revs years ago, with the only thing tying him to Yamato being that he shares some moves with his respective leader.

 

[Albino 👑]

I know there are some similarities, but they aren't parallels: I don't exactly see Yamato taking over Orochi's role as an equivalent of Sabo actually being Dragon's successor, and on top of that she didn't even allow it to happen.

One's a puppet that was never part of the crew's hierarchy and idolized the enemies, actually joining them to fight the Beasts Pirates, while the other actually became second in command and loves his leader, making him just a YC1 from the moment Kuma left the revs years ago, with the only thing tying him to Yamato being that he shares some moves with his respective leader.

Yamato will still successfully achieve what kaido couldn’t in wano. Not wanting to be a member doesn’t stop the fact Yamato parallels both ace and oden of the whitebeard pirates. Same way it doesn’t stop them from paralleling sabo

None of them are carbon copies of each other. Them having clear and intentional similarities doesn’t make them the same character in every way.

 

[Moegara]

Yamato will still successfully achieve what kaido couldn’t in wano. Not wanting to be a member doesn’t stop the fact Yamato parallels both ace and oden of the whitebeard pirates. Same way it doesn’t stop them from paralleling sabo

None of them are carbon copies of each other. Them having clear and intentional similarities doesn’t make them the same character in every way.

You lost me at Oden.

The only real parallel of the other three coupled together is starting as little children in a crew full of adults and apparently having preferential treatment.

They don't have to be carbon copies to be parallels, but exactly opposite just one or two similarities stretched don't make a parallel when their situation is very different.

 

[Albino 👑]

You lost me at Oden.

The only real parallel of the other three coupled together is starting as little children in a crew full of adults and apparently having preferential treatment.

They don't have to be carbon copies to be parallels, but exactly opposite just one or two similarities stretched don't make a parallel when their situation is very different.

Yamato goes by oden and is/would be essentially the ace card of the beast pirates

And ignoring the other similarities between them and the other members I listed doesn’t stop them from existing
Kuma and Alber don’t become less of a parallel because you don’t like it

 

[Moegara]

Yamato goes by oden and is/would be essentially the ace card of the beast pirates

And ignoring the other similarities between them and the other members I listed doesn’t stop them from existing
Kuma and Alber don’t become less of a parallel because you don’t like it

Yamato being a cosplayer of Oden does not make her his parallel in any sort of way.

Who said anything about what I like or dislike? I have no emotional weight on this. Kuma may have been his parallel on the distant past, but not during the events of the story. As it's evident by the direction of the exchange I was mostly criticizing your claims on Sabo and Yamato, which have now extended over to your claims on Ace and Oden.

Nobody's ignoring similiarities, I have explicitly acknowledged every similiarity you have pointed out (except your headcanons like Sabo's CoC) but rejected that they're parallels based on said similarities being feeble and their roles actually being almost complete opposites. There is a whole area between being opposites and carbon copies. It's cool that you're looking for similarities, some are there, but narratively that alone doesn't make them parallels.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Beast pirates are better.