One of the moments that people don't usually mention is when Bellamy beats Cricket and takes his gold and everybody is asking who did this and then Zoro points to Luffy that it was the Bellamy gang (their mark/flag) and asks if Luffy needs help which Luffy refuses. And when Cricket wants to stop Luffy, Zoro offers Cricket his sword (Wado) saying that if you want to stop Luffy you will have to use this.
Controversial RHM vs Wings portrayal
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First and foremost the petty underling statement is a early viz mistranslation, Absalom only refers to to him an underling. This is how Stephen Paul (current viz translator) translated it:
PuckTheGreat
What the hell is this strength!! His he really an underling!?
Why does this matter because it shows that Absalom just perceives Sanji as a subordinate and not a grunt.
Bar the El statement all those statements about Zoro came from his strength and his status is questioned because of it just like how Absalom questions status because of his strength. The bounty comment doesn't change that fact that Absalom believes that Sanji should be higher up within the strawhats.
This statement is coming after the arc where he had Sanji ~ Zoro and Oda highlighting Sanji's not your normal crew member
PuckTheGreat
What the hell is this strength!! His he really an underling!?
Bar the El statement all those statements about Zoro came from his strength and his status is questioned because of it just like how Absalom questions status because of his strength. The bounty comment doesn't change that fact that Absalom believes that Sanji should be higher up within the strawhats.
This statement is coming after the arc where he had Sanji ~ Zoro and Oda highlighting Sanji's not your normal crew member
Petty underling or underling, still carries the exact same meaning when the next part of Absalom’s thought process is “he doesn’t even have a bounty“, and we know that has caused them to underrate Sanji throughout the arc, putting his shadow in a grunt zombie because they think he‘s a nobody. None of that happens if they actually know Sanji’s real bounty.
Doesn’t believe he should be the captain though. All Absalom does is accurately judge that Sanji should not be a no-bounty underling- which he wasn’t.
He does not suggest Sanji is the captain, which happened to Zoro multiple times. That’s the difference between them.
It has nothing to do with EL or Zoro.
End of the day, no one cares about it because it’s really not saying anything special. It’s purely a case of the villain horribly underestimating the hero because he has wrong information.
Villain is shocked at Sanji’s strength because the full arc they thought Sanji was a blonde man with no bounty and thus fodder
Sanji actually has a 77 million bounty and isn’t fodder.
It doesn’t say anything about Sanji other than what the reader knows. It’s nowhere near the hype of people actually thinking Zoro should be the leader of the crew multiple times.
It’s like this
Hypes Sanji? Sure. Tell us anything other than that he’s one of the main fighters. Not really.
It’s nowhere near as hype as something like this
which is followed in the same arc as this
All of which is directly meant for us to compare Zoro and Luffy in strength. And tells us somethind we didn’t know- Zoro could easily have a 30 million bounty himself
Doesn’t believe he should be the captain though. All Absalom does is accurately judge that Sanji should not be a no-bounty underling- which he wasn’t.
He does not suggest Sanji is the captain, which happened to Zoro multiple times. That’s the difference between them.
It has nothing to do with EL or Zoro.
End of the day, no one cares about it because it’s really not saying anything special. It’s purely a case of the villain horribly underestimating the hero because he has wrong information.
Villain is shocked at Sanji’s strength because the full arc they thought Sanji was a blonde man with no bounty and thus fodder
Sanji actually has a 77 million bounty and isn’t fodder.
It doesn’t say anything about Sanji other than what the reader knows. It’s nowhere near the hype of people actually thinking Zoro should be the leader of the crew multiple times.
It’s like this
Hypes Sanji? Sure. Tell us anything other than that he’s one of the main fighters. Not really.
It’s nowhere near as hype as something like this
which is followed in the same arc as this
All of which is directly meant for us to compare Zoro and Luffy in strength. And tells us somethind we didn’t know- Zoro could easily have a 30 million bounty himself
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Petty underling or underling, still carries the exact same meaning when the next part of Absalom’s thought process is “he doesn’t even have a bounty“, and we know that has caused them to underrate Sanji throughout the arc, putting his shadow in a grunt zombie because they think he‘s a nobody. None of that happens if they actually know Sanji’s real bounty.
Doesn’t believe he should be the captain though. All Absalom does is accurately judge that Sanji should not be a no-bounty underling- which he wasn’t.
He does not suggest Sanji is the captain, which happened to Zoro multiple times. That’s the difference between them.
It has nothing to do with EL or Zoro.
End of the day, no one cares about it because it’s really not saying anything special. It’s purely a case of the villain horribly underestimating the hero because he has wrong information.
Villain is shocked at Sanji’s strength because the full arc they thought Sanji was a blonde man with no bounty and thus fodder
Sanji actually has a 77 million bounty and isn’t fodder.
It doesn’t say anything about Sanji other than what the reader knows. It’s nowhere near the hype of people actually thinking Zoro should be the leader of the crew multiple times.
It’s like this
Hypes Sanji? Sure. Tell us anything other than that he’s one of the main fighters. Not really.
It’s nowhere near as hype as something like this
which is followed in the same arc as this
All of which is directly meant for us to compare Zoro and Luffy in strength. And tells us somethind we didn’t know- Zoro could easily have a 30 million bounty himself
Doesn’t believe he should be the captain though. All Absalom does is accurately judge that Sanji should not be a no-bounty underling- which he wasn’t.
He does not suggest Sanji is the captain, which happened to Zoro multiple times. That’s the difference between them.
It has nothing to do with EL or Zoro.
End of the day, no one cares about it because it’s really not saying anything special. It’s purely a case of the villain horribly underestimating the hero because he has wrong information.
Villain is shocked at Sanji’s strength because the full arc they thought Sanji was a blonde man with no bounty and thus fodder
Sanji actually has a 77 million bounty and isn’t fodder.
It doesn’t say anything about Sanji other than what the reader knows. It’s nowhere near the hype of people actually thinking Zoro should be the leader of the crew multiple times.
It’s like this
Hypes Sanji? Sure. Tell us anything other than that he’s one of the main fighters. Not really.
It’s nowhere near as hype as something like this
which is followed in the same arc as this
All of which is directly meant for us to compare Zoro and Luffy in strength. And tells us somethind we didn’t know- Zoro could easily have a 30 million bounty himself
Petty underling or underling, still carries the exact same meaning when the next part of Absalom’s thought process is “he doesn’t even have a bounty“, and we know that has caused them to underrate Sanji throughout the arc, putting his shadow in a grunt zombie because they think he‘s a nobody. None of that happens if they actually know Sanji’s real bounty.
Doesn’t believe he should be the captain though. All Absalom does is accurately judge that Sanji should not be a no-bounty underling- which he wasn’t.
He does not suggest Sanji is the captain, which happened to Zoro multiple times. That’s the difference between them.
It has nothing to do with EL or Zoro.
End of the day, no one cares about it because it’s really not saying anything special. It’s purely a case of the villain horribly underestimating the hero because he has wrong information.
Villain is shocked at Sanji’s strength because the full arc they thought Sanji was a blonde man with no bounty and thus fodder
Sanji actually has a 77 million bounty and isn’t fodder.
It doesn’t say anything about Sanji other than what the reader knows. It’s nowhere near the hype of people actually thinking Zoro should be the leader of the crew multiple times.
It’s like this
Hypes Sanji? Sure. Tell us anything other than that he’s one of the main fighters. Not really.
It’s nowhere near as hype as something like this
which is followed in the same arc as this
All of which is directly meant for us to compare Zoro and Luffy in strength. And tells us somethind we didn’t know- Zoro could easily have a 30 million bounty himself
Doesn’t believe he should be the captain though. All Absalom does is accurately judge that Sanji should not be a no-bounty underling- which he wasn’t.
He does not suggest Sanji is the captain, which happened to Zoro multiple times. That’s the difference between them.
It has nothing to do with EL or Zoro.
End of the day, no one cares about it because it’s really not saying anything special. It’s purely a case of the villain horribly underestimating the hero because he has wrong information.
Villain is shocked at Sanji’s strength because the full arc they thought Sanji was a blonde man with no bounty and thus fodder
Sanji actually has a 77 million bounty and isn’t fodder.
It doesn’t say anything about Sanji other than what the reader knows. It’s nowhere near the hype of people actually thinking Zoro should be the leader of the crew multiple times.
It’s like this
Hypes Sanji? Sure. Tell us anything other than that he’s one of the main fighters. Not really.
It’s nowhere near as hype as something like this
which is followed in the same arc as this
All of which is directly meant for us to compare Zoro and Luffy in strength. And tells us somethind we didn’t know- Zoro could easily have a 30 million bounty himself
Some fodders from alabasta think Zoro is the captain = means a lot
Because never was the moment to say that to anyone more, but it's very clear than he thinks the same with the other nakamas. He would said the same to jimbei, brook or franky. Luffy always wanted to have a freak crew like mugis and sanjino is one of them. The phrase didn't have nothing to do with the sanjino's power like you want to say.
It's just agendas.
To start with, we have to acknowledge that:
- monster trio portrayal is real
- Luffy/Zoro portrayal is real
- Zoro/Sanji portrayal is real
These are dynamics that Oda enjoys, and he will never get rid of it no matter how much any fanbase gets triggered over it.
But that being said, if we look at a broader scale and compare portrayals. At best, Zoro/Sanji portrayal is comparable to Luffy/Zoro portrayal. There is easily more portrayal indicating more Luffy/Zoro portrayal compared to Zoro/Sanji portrayal.
- global strength related dreams, ready to die for their dreams without backing down
- both supernova
- Zoro getting confused for the captain in multiple arcs
- conqueror's haki users (at least for now Sanji isn't one)
- old gen parallel in Roger/Rayleigh. Roger/Rayleigh relationship is far more highlighted than Rayleigh/Scopper relationship
- mid gen parallel in Shanks/Mihawk, who are the great rivals of the mid gen like Roger/WB in old gen
- ancient parallels with characters referred to as Gods, in Sun God Nika and God of the Blades Ryuma
- official materials consistently comparing Zoro's strength to Luffy's
- in Wano: both being in rooftop, each used advanced conqueror's haki for the first time in the same chapter, both got portrayal with Oden, what "Joyboy" Luffy did being compared to Ryuma, both wake up at same time
But fandom at large wants to ignore that and focus on the lesser amount of Zoro/Sanji portrayal. It only matters when Zoro gets paired up with Sanji, but not when Zoro gets paired with Luffy. Because let's be real, that is the agenda which is in interest of most OP fanbase.
If you combine Luffy and Sanji fanbase, that is easily much over half of OP fanbase. And they both want the same thing - Zoro being closer to Sanji than to Luffy.
If you understand this, you will start understanding the backing of the agenda in one direction compared to the other.
To start with, we have to acknowledge that:
- monster trio portrayal is real
- Luffy/Zoro portrayal is real
- Zoro/Sanji portrayal is real
These are dynamics that Oda enjoys, and he will never get rid of it no matter how much any fanbase gets triggered over it.
But that being said, if we look at a broader scale and compare portrayals. At best, Zoro/Sanji portrayal is comparable to Luffy/Zoro portrayal. There is easily more portrayal indicating more Luffy/Zoro portrayal compared to Zoro/Sanji portrayal.
- global strength related dreams, ready to die for their dreams without backing down
- both supernova
- Zoro getting confused for the captain in multiple arcs
- conqueror's haki users (at least for now Sanji isn't one)
- old gen parallel in Roger/Rayleigh. Roger/Rayleigh relationship is far more highlighted than Rayleigh/Scopper relationship
- mid gen parallel in Shanks/Mihawk, who are the great rivals of the mid gen like Roger/WB in old gen
- ancient parallels with characters referred to as Gods, in Sun God Nika and God of the Blades Ryuma
- official materials consistently comparing Zoro's strength to Luffy's
- in Wano: both being in rooftop, each used advanced conqueror's haki for the first time in the same chapter, both got portrayal with Oden, what "Joyboy" Luffy did being compared to Ryuma, both wake up at same time
But fandom at large wants to ignore that and focus on the lesser amount of Zoro/Sanji portrayal. It only matters when Zoro gets paired up with Sanji, but not when Zoro gets paired with Luffy. Because let's be real, that is the agenda which is in interest of most OP fanbase.
If you combine Luffy and Sanji fanbase, that is easily much over half of OP fanbase. And they both want the same thing - Zoro being closer to Sanji than to Luffy.
If you understand this, you will start understanding the backing of the agenda in one direction compared to the other.