He literally trained in order to become stronger
Zoro's constantly lifting weight in order to train properly; Garp used mountains as punching bags to become stronger, in order to destroy a pirate who's able to split an entire large island without issues.
Try to grasp this fact.
Also, training =/= actually struggling to destroy something.
Look at Zoro, he slices mountains without issues, yet he's lifting weight which is significantly inferior to cutting mountains.
Neither was it portrayed as his absolute ballpark - because it isn't. OP top tiers are country levelled. There are a few feats for this scaling.
WB had an ability that allowed for a larger AOE, and even then he couldn't bring down Marineford.
You just made that up...
1.) Whitebeard created waterquakes dwarfing Marineford.
2.) Significantly smaller waterquakes already have island level energy.
3.) His earthquakes could be felt on islands several hundreds of kilometers away.
Whitebeard's DF is not AOE, it is AP. Again, you're talking nonsense. It is power to cause this amount of destruction. Furthermore, Marineford is the battlefield, yet Sickbeard intented to sink the entire island after everyone was gone. He hold his powers back the entire time. Also, funny that you come up with this excuse. There was a huge war - to which Juubi was rambling like crazy - which happened in a rather small country, yet their best attacks couldn't wipe out said country at all. Does it mean their strongest attacks can't potentially wipe out countries? Of course not since there are several factors to it...
Madara's feat is not bad but it's not something extraordinal to which OP top tiers are not able to do so as well. Furthermore, Madara sliced two large mountains. Mihawk easily sliced an iceberg dwarfing Marineford. Enel was about to destroy whole Skypiea with his Raigo.
Yes we do because it is made clear in the manga it takes no effort for him to use it.
Huh? Based on what exactly?
In fact, Susannoo is one of his most chakra-consuming techniques, claiming it takes no toll on him spamming it without issues is plain up wrong. Kaido can fight for days, how long can Madara keep his PS?
Very quick to "give" me the L.
You still haven't provided any evidence for your "Madara > Kaido" assertion. Try again.
- Limbo Clones that can knock out Bijuu
- Perfect Susanoo that can clear mountain ranges causally
- Chibaku tensei
- Gedo Mazo and soul stealing techniques.
1.) And how exactly is that impressive? Base Kaido easily knocked out all Nine Red Scabbards, then fought the top 5 supernova and came out victorious.
2.) See above, it's not an issue for OP top tiers.
3.) Featless but let's assume it's something comparable to Nagato's; Kaido can still destroy it with his higher end techniques.
4.) Gedo Mazo and soul stealing techniques might be the only dangerous thing. Thanks to AdCoC, Madara will extremely struggle to steal Kaido's soul, unless you mean the soul stealing technique from Gedo Mazo.
And I didn't even add the 6 paths abilities like rinne tensei, which outright handles the victim useless while being propelled and repelled.
Abilities which can be overcome with enough physical power, not to mention that AdCoC is effective there, too.
Shinra Tensei can be resisted with enough physical power, 6 tails Kurama demonstrated it against Pain. Bansho Tenin is difficult but Kaido can always respond with a good AdCOC Thunderbagua if Madara pulls him in.
???
"the power to acutely sense an opponent"
Sure, it sure would be the sole power if I was acting like it's the only thing being explained on the panel.
But, acting disingenuous doesn't bring you anywhere. This is what Rayleigh said about: "Training this ability will allow you to read the location... number and movements of enemies you cannot even see". You can even see examples of COO, Enel's mind reading is part of it, being called "Mantra".
Also, CoO is like the "6th sense", it is about sensing the will of the attack - which grants a lot of abilities. There's more to it:
As I said, CoO is like sharingan and Sennin Mode combined.
True, sharingan does have pre-cog.
However, that's it when it comes to predicting attacks. CoO is much more versatile when it comes to this. Sasuke can't see attacks if he's blind while Fujitora literally sees even better although he's blind.
Like I said, it is about the will of the attack, while CoO grants you extraordinary sensing, it also automatically gives you the ability to read movements without issues or subconsciously dodging attacks which is a thing too.
Considering that it's this type of teleportation which fucked Juudara up, this is hardly an L.
Yes I know, again Madara dodged FTG attacks with ease.
IIRC, he dodged Tobirama's FTG who isn't nearly as proficient in this technique as Minato.
However, like I said, teleportation itself was handled just fine by significantly weaker characters.
Perfect Susanoo is like 20x larger than Dragon Kaido, you're acting like size would be a problem.
1.) PS is 200m at best. Dragon Kaido dwarfs the mountains on top of the skull. It's clear who's the bigger opponent here.
2.) I talked about the water prison. How's PS relevant again? Or in other words, do you think it can imprison a PS?
Also Madara can casually absorb attacks, whatever shit Kaido throws at him it's null
IIRC it was about chakra-based attacks, so feel free to correct me about this with evidence.
Rinnegan allows for mastery of all elemental jutsu, go read naruto again
You realise Madara doesn't magically have all sort of ninjutsus? Although Rinnegan users can master all jutsus, they have to learn those jutsus in the first place. Kisame's Suiton mastery is no less "average", he's literally the best Suiton user we've ever seen. Pretty bold of you to assume Madara can replicate this kind of feat in this match-up when there's no argument for his actual mastery of such techniques.
Just stick to the water prison argument... At least it's not crazy to assume that Madara's able to use a more basic Suiton technique lol.
Btw, I re-checked the claim Rinnegan allows for mastery of all elemental jutsu, it was a statement about Nagato learning everything - what Jiraiya taught him so far - very quickly, and being able to use all elementals:
Looking at the timeline, it's impossible to assume Kisame taught Madara his techniques. Madara was already dead.
Rinnegan Madara was tanking attacks from Bijuu lmao.
Ok, let's see.
Madara was quite tough but losing an arm after this? I wouldn't call it "tanking" tbh.
