Roe vs Wade Overturned?


Wow, great argument
If people wanna get their dicks cut off why does it affect you, Why do you care so much??

Difference between the finger and penis example would be that the trans girl gets their gentalia to fit within the confines of the gender that they want to appear like and the finger example would have no aesthetic to it unless your counting got into an accident as a aesthetic which anyone would wanna conform to
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you wouldn't make such a joke if you could realize how hard things are for transgenders
No argument ether.
both the right and left spiting ideology without adding anything to the discussion who could of guessed that would of occurred
 
Yeah abortion should be legal. If some people think that “it’s for the baby”, then you can just adopt children who are abandoned by their parents, being unwanted. The world is already too crowded anyway. The reason doesn’t matter. Women’s body, their choice.
 
Yeah abortion should be legal. If some people think that “it’s for the baby”, then you can just adopt children who are abandoned by their parents, being unwanted. The world is already too crowded anyway. The reason doesn’t matter. Women’s body, their choice.
Disagree.
Abortion should be illegal.
And this whataboutism will get us nowhere.
One side only cares about the mother, the other believes that child should have their right to life.
 
You can tell Colt is one of those guys who would give the actual rapist a pass if she were showing an ankle.
so when a moslem woman who follows her religion, using hijab, mostly closed, but still sexually harrassed or raped, he thinks it’s her fault because “wrong place”, “wrong hour”, going with “wrong person”?

This dude is literally f-ed up
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Disagree.
Abortion should be illegal.
And this whataboutism will get us nowhere.
One side only cares about the mother, the other believes that child should have their right to life.
So it means it’s okay for you that a woman should give birth to unwanted baby and abandon them? Quick question: do you have children?
 
https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...rth-woman-arisona-hacienda-healthcare-776902/
this is how easy is to give birth. even women in coma can produce babies.
It's still quite hard on the woman if they are consious, it's not that it takes effort or whatever as the post which you sent proves, it's just hard on the body


Often times due to how human body is structured, Woman can have trouble walking and so on also unlike cows where they just fall out of the mother's vagina, human females have to push the baby out forcefully
 
We even go as far as letting them kill babies if it helps them avoid accountability.
explain to me exactly what is wrong with this
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Whether or not you call a fetus a baby, the fact still remains that it literally has less consciousness than animals we slaughter by the millions for food.
 
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explain to me exactly what is wrong with this
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Whether or not you call a fetus a baby, the fact still remains that it literally has less consciousness than animals we slaughter by the millions for food.

We kill thousands of animals just so we can live more conveniently yet somehow that same principle would not be okay when regards to a baby. The logic is not all there

I see, you took a page out of my book.
Though animals arent just killed for food, they are also known to be killed for sport and so we can expand our existing land
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literally has less consciousness than animals
This point is kinda stupid as nobody argues that we kill disabled people or people in comas but whatever like you should of just stuck to copying the bits of my post as your own statements here arent that good
 
This point is kinda stupid as nobody argues that we kill disabled people or people in comas but whatever like you should of just stuck to copying the bits of my post as your own statements here arent that good
even disabled people don't have the consciousness of a fetus

as for people in comas, they can recover and if they can't(e.i. are brain dead), then maybe they should be killed.
 
Whether or not you call a fetus a baby
it's a baby, do you not know how abortions even work?
they take twissors and rip the baby out of the womb. limb by limb

though apparently there exists other methods to execute the abortion according to what could be found by me

If we go by fetal charts, it's clearly human by a point far earlier that would be far earlier of what's suggested by left wing political pundits

Wither you think the killing is fine or not ultimately boils down to your own feelings on the matter obviously but the fact remains that it's clearly human by the least amount of time 16 weeks. I would argue 9 myself given the human form would already be developed by that point


The killing of humans has precedent with the death sentence being a thing so there's argument for it right but your not really being that nuanced or logical here.
both sides just love to spit ideologues without presenting actual arguments or reasons for things anyways just try thinking about things more before you say stuff especially when your taking my own position and adding things to it


even disabled people don't have the consciousness of a fetus
depends on the degree of the disability some are just unable of speaking such as people with mental retardation,autism and down syndrome.
We know that they are capable of consciously moving their limbs as of sixteen weeks



and they are capable of hearing by 18


From what information found suggests they are most likely conscious again wither you think it's fine to kill them or not would most certainly be subjective. you cant verify stuff like that as it's a matter of what's seen as acceptablw or not some cultures think it's okay to stone gay people others dont
 
both sides just love to spit ideologues without presenting actual arguments or reasons for things anyways just try thinking about things more before you say stuff especially when your taking my own position and adding things to it
Did you even read what I said? My point is that it doesn't matter if you call it a baby because its still okay to kill a fetus since it has sub animal levels of consciousness.

And also, your ideas aren't as original as you think. I deadass had no idea what you wrote until you pointed it out.
 
Did you even read what I said? My point is that it doesn't matter if you call it a baby because its still okay to kill a fetus since it has sub animal levels of consciousness.
My argument was never about the morality of it, I only addressed the facts surrounding the matter and certainly the fetus as your calling it at least would have the ability to recognize vocal patterns as it can hear which 18 weeks as proven before

Animal level iq means nothing as different animals have different levels of intelligence like do you think that chimps routinely noted for high iq are stupider then say a stag beetle?

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And also, your ideas aren't as original as you think. I deadass had no idea what you wrote until you pointed it out.
I dont mind, your taking what was a small critique of your statement and making some huge point of it
Originally even made some joke about it so i dont mind really



I just said, you should put more thought into things, I was giving you advice never was anything else other then that at least with regards to this comment.
 
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All this talk about Abortion laws and people are missing where the actual discussions should be had, you know where the solution sits.....do people even care about that?. Abortion is the last act in a series of bad decisions, decisions which were influenced by this overly sexual and irresponsible society that's been built; fact is people are going to have children they can't afford to take care of nor provide with a good life and talking about the fate of these children while important does nothing to address the real issue. Peoples idea of relationships have been warped with this, "free sex", "express yourself", "explore", "experiment with your body" and "no time for marriage" culture and until THIS problem is rectified, abortion will continue to be rampant.

Men and Women want to have sex, but they don't want to be parents, they want meaningful relationships, but they don't want to commit to each other'; how can anything reasonable exist in such a contradiction?. I don't care about the details of a persons burial....I care about why and how they were killed and I want to stop it from happening again, this should be the mentality, not all this political waste.
 
All this talk about Abortion laws and people are missing where the actual discussions should be had, you know where the solution sits.....do people even care about that?. Abortion is the last act in a series of bad decisions
I kinda agree to some sense, there are birth control pills and other means to control pregnancy such getting their tubes tied
So yea, plenty of ways so to prevent the issue though the right is not that keen on teaching people that even though it would realistically lower abortion rates, funny that


this overly sexual and irresponsible society
Society has been sexual forever, you could look at porn back in the day though before you had to pay for it so there was some barrier to it. Even if you look at media from the 90s, you could see characters and what not which are very clearly explicit take mortal kombat as a example





Men and Women want to have sex, but they don't want to be parents, they want meaningful relationships, but they don't want to commit to each other';
Well the traditional forms of things are still in practice like men paying for dates and standard ideas of couples, Which just does not mend itself well with the whole sphere of things like the idea behind men paying only worked in function as women could not work so the man needed to provide for them obviously.
It just seems like women want the positives of a traditionalism but none of the cons associated with such.


Not all men are wanting sex, Honestly my hand does the same job without the nagging,stress and financial burden. There are women who are good and arent that way meet like 3 myself but my personality does not lend itself well to relationships anyway coupled with me not being attractive. I likely was never going to get anything out of the hookup culture as it's called so could care less about it's existence or how that could affect others.



traditionism was never a stable model to begin with, Having a lifetime partner has routinely lead to physical violence and abuse on the part of both parties not only that but humans change with time so even if you were attached as teens or whatever, That same interest which were there would fade as you and your partner's have grown out of what originally brought you together.



fact is people are going to have children they can't afford to take care of nor provide with a good life

Generational wealth is apart of that problem not to mention college is non viable as a option due to it's cost and it's very nature as a specialist course
Women at least have the option of marrying someone richer then them so to advance in social status that same sort of option does not exist for men so you left with men as wealthy as women and women as always wanting to marry up while also wanting equality
 
Okay lets say i agree with you, but is that hardness enough to justify taking a human life?

Human lifes have been taken before, You are acting like the death penalty was never a thing nor was any case of self defense
Humans having value is merely some moral grandstanding, nobody seriously thinks that human lifes are sacred. it's just some right wing talking point to justify their position like if you think life is so sacred then why arent you helping the homeless or endangered species of animals? Is life not sacred for them or would it only be sacred when their within the womb where they could easily die of a miscarriage as a example.


Also people have different values. not all of us born in leftist liberal propaganda regime. And surprise surprise we can't control where we are born and what values we have due to that.
You can easily control, your values.
You are acting as if atheists were not majorly former christans or that mgtow guys were not formerly traditionalists.
People change with time as they learn new things and grow up, It's why most who have friends in high school dont as a adults as the interests and personality which brought both together would no longer exist as the similarities which bonded them fase away.


But at the end of the day most women are killing their babies out of inconvenience. So is it possible to stop that . i doubt it as it would just go underground.
People have always killed out of convenience just slaughter anything that annoys or remotely gets within our way. European settlers did the same thing to the animals and native americans who originally lived in north america
the reason that we are the most dominate species on this planet would be that we are the most brutal, We developed nukes to genocide our own fellow man all because of raw hatred for others yet humans often preach of their kindness as they stand on land which conquered and gained by literally slaughtering and enslaving kids,women and men.



Humans think hunting down an entire species to literal death is not worth batting an eye at but somehow killing a couple humans out of the trillion that exist is a big deal. The lunacy of this species never ceases to amaze me



point being here, humans have always killed out of convenience or malice. it's literally nothing new and people care about their own interests as history tells us which is why, things like the crusades happened and what not however you are free to believe that people are not self centered as they deny all information which hurts their subjective viewpoints. Debating on these sort of sites never changed anyone's mind as this is just a past time that people do for fun
 
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