[FNZ] Salem of Lies Round 09: Throne of Lies

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I would recommend Lynching TAC instead:
  • If TAC is Scum it strongly suggests Flower is Town and Natalija is Scum.
  • If TAC is Town, it strongly suggests Flower is Scum and Natalija is Town.
That makes no sense whatsoever. She accused this player out of the blue and without a reason. And I know she can't investigate.

YOU wanting him dead as well looks like you're very much on her team.
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
This is great. Let's Lynch TAC and see who among @Natalija and Flower is Scum. :funky:

Both of them could be Scum, but it would be an extremely big brained move. At any rate, unless there's a role that can frame roles or there's a role that can redirect (without informing the redirected player that they were redirected) it is very unlikely that this is Town vs Town.



I would recommend Lynching TAC instead:
  • If TAC is Scum it strongly suggests Flower is Town and Natalija is Scum.
  • If TAC is Town, it strongly suggests Flower is Scum and Natalija is Town.

Whereas if we Lynch Flower:
  • If she's Town, it strongly suggests both TAC and Natalija are Scum.
    • It gives the two Scum and extra night to act.
  • If she's Scum, it strongly suggests Natalija is Town, but doesn't say much about TAC.

Looking at the above:
  • A TAC Lynch would give us more information on two players.
  • It prevents the scenario where we leave Two Scum free to act at Night.
  • I prefer prioritising initial claims.


Suspicions aside, I think a TAC Lynch is strictly better. However, looking at the earlier posts, I'm going to catch up to Day 1 and reevaluate.
I think I’m with @Natalija to lynch Flower.

TAC flipping scum won’t prove to me that Flower is town in this situation. I know how stupid this sounds but if she were scum, what does she gain by accusing a townie?

So I think it could be bussing, like accusing scum teammate to clear one of them. This is similar to what she did in TOS where she claimed psychic early on but she didn’t go as far as busing her teammate.

Plus, Natalija is a newer player, I don’t see the benefit of her contesting Flower right now unless if she really does have info. But I do agree, this is very clearly a town vs scum

Vote Lynch Flower
 
What bout this Flower?
Another lie. I know there is Unseen. NW could only be Paladin if that was a Cult Game, but then he would have clarified that DA couldn't have made a TMI slip last DP because due to no Unseen in the game DA couldn't have had too much information in the first place. But NW didn't do that and due to my role existing he is definitely lying. So there is that.
 
Flower is lying. I know my role so that was why I can say no Unseen is in this game.

Vote Lynch Flower
I bloody hope you're the Paladin then.
@Natalija I know what I investigated. So I can obviously say TAC is Unseen. Your claim makes no sense, thus you're lying.
Nice try, but you can't investigate. I knew the ladies are the most dangerous.
 
N

NeutralWatcher

Another lie. I know there is Unseen. NW could only be Paladin if that was a Cult Game, but then he would have clarified that DA couldn't have made a TMI slip last DP because due to no Unseen in the game DA couldn't have had too much information in the first place. But NW didn't do that and due to my role existing he is definitely lying. So there is that.
Why should I reveal my role early in the game? Claiming early has potential to be converted early in the game.

Dark made a slip that when Natalija asked how many kills, DA replied with just like in Unseen. I thought with lynching him and he was proved to be scum, we can know his role but he was knight instead.
 
Why should I reveal my role early in the game? Claiming early has potential to be converted early in the game.

Dark made a slip that when Natalija asked how many kills, DA replied with just like in Unseen. I thought with lynching him and he was proved to be scum, we can know his role but he was knight instead.
You're right. No, that's why I am not asking you, just saying I hope you're Blue Dragon.

Can I just please ask everyone to write full player names? I don't know users well and when I see DA or TAC, it's confusing.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
From previous games meta I recall Flower used a similar strategy when we played the ToS game.

She faked invest and had me lynched, so she is known for pulling off risky manouvers early game.

On the other hand I doubt a very inexperienced player like @Natalija would come out with this kind of fling honestly.

On top of it @NeutralWatcher is confirming that Flower is lying.

Now I really don't feel like not just Natalija, but even Neutral, would both lie.

Conclusively I think voting Flower holds the most sense here:

Vote Lynch Flower
 
Why should I reveal my role early in the game? Claiming early has potential to be converted early in the game.

Dark made a slip that when Natalija asked how many kills, DA replied with just like in Unseen. I thought with lynching him and he was proved to be scum, we can know his role but he was knight instead.
So you're just saying he slipped by claiming Unseen is in the game when you apparently know Unseen ain't in the game, thus this couldn't be a slip in the first place?

Yeah, we're not lynching NW. Dude's giving off Jester vibes.
 
N

NeutralWatcher

So you're just saying he slipped by claiming Unseen is in the game when you apparently know Unseen ain't in the game, thus this couldn't be a slip in the first place?

Yeah, we're not lynching NW. Dude's giving off Jester vibes.
I thought DA was scum and I thought by lynching him, we would know if he were Unseen/Cult based on his role.
 
On another note, @Natalija how do you know we have Cult in this game? :choppawhat:


Given that two players are staking claims that directly challenge her narrative, I find her more suspicious than TAC. I was willing to Lynch TAC when neither appeared particularly more suspicious but his Lynch appeared informative, but that isn't the case anymore.
I'm assuming it based on these game rules:

"The Cult leader can use Eradicate at night to kill off players, but it is common practice in the first nights to try to convert Blue Dragon classes first instead of killing them. This is due to several reasons:

  • The Cult can have up to four members and it quite needs those numbers.
  • The Cult Leader does not have night or occupy immunity, and can be immediately detected by investigative classes (unlike the Unseen Mastermind). This means he is at much greater risk of dying.
  • The Cult Leader's Eradicate ability only has three uses, and is only rechargeable by sacrificing a fellow Cult member. This means that you should choose your targets carefully.
Because of these aforementioned reasons, most players will usually suspect the existence of a Cult faction when no one has died during the first night(s)."

But I am almost sure because she lied she investigated @TheAncientCenturion and branded him as Unseen.

I know she can't investigate -> her Unseen claim is to throw us off track. It is Cult.
 
N

NeutralWatcher

You just claimed that you know Unseen is not in the game though?
From my role. Yesterday I thought DA was scum so by lynching him and he proved to be scum we can know whether he was Unsen/Cult but he flipped Knight (Blue Dragon)


Why would we need DA's flip to tell his alignment if you're an Invest role and already know what the Scum faction is?
I refer to other Blue Dragon players.If DA was scum and we know his role, we can judge whether DA was Unseen/Cult
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
What does that mean?

DEAR @Dark Admiral, I am SO sorry!!!!!!!!!!! This is all my fault!!!!!!! In my defense you really acted shady....

Also, it's very weird no one died during the night. I think this might mean we are against the Cult.

"The Cult leader can use Eradicate at night to kill off players, but it is common practice in the first nights to try to convert Blue Dragon classes first instead of killing them. This is due to several reasons:

  • The Cult can have up to four members and it quite needs those numbers.
  • The Cult Leader does not have night or occupy immunity, and can be immediately detected by investigative classes (unlike the Unseen Mastermind). This means he is at much greater risk of dying.
  • The Cult Leader's Eradicate ability only has three uses, and is only rechargeable by sacrificing a fellow Cult member. This means that you should choose your targets carefully.
Because of these aforementioned reasons, most players will usually suspect the existence of a Cult faction when no one has died during the first night(s)."

The game starts with two Cult members, so it's safe to say there are three of them now.
@Cinera

She enlightened her reasoning here though, and bolded the key part in which it is mentioned how in case of no N1 kills one has rather got to think a Cult is present than the Unseen, which holds sense from a logistic point of view.
 
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