[FNZ] Salem of Lies Round 09: Throne of Lies

[Seraphoenix]

I did. Which part of the log book stands out specifically to you?

The fact that he claimed knight again?

The part where the Prince dies the day after DA is imprisoned. It can't be TAC as he was an independent. It's also doubtful that it's NW as it's doubtful that he would be informed during the night that he was imprisoned.

The only other option is that after getting the first kill, they got a hail mary and guessed the Prince correctly out of all the players or had some inves ability.

Most likely option imo is DA is cult.

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Gonna have to also reread Lanji's case on Nat.

 

[Kiwipom]

Strong disagree. I suspected he was The Prince based on his words last day phase. He hinted it in how he criticised TAC's suggestions to leave him to the prince. He mentioned The Prince a lot more in general. He was my Prime suspect for The Prince, and I was very inactive last day phase.

I don't buy you not noticing this to be honest Kiwi. Not when you picked up on TAC trying to hint Doctor.

no I didn't notice it

So you think he made it obvious?

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hmmmm I guess you do have a point. So it's possible that scum guessed it..

 

[Natalija]

Because it's a super convenient excuse for you to not have to reveal anymore info to BD.

That makes no sense whatsoever. I revealed my info and Dragomir backed my mistake up. Stop the pointless trolling

hmm. I already said what I did:
N1: Roleblocked Reborn
N2: Roleblocked Tac
N3: Used an ability that roleblocked anybody who targeted me

This fits in with TAC not killing on N2, I guess. But why did you throw a party on night 3?

@Cinera Since you're both Butlers apparently, what did you do?

 

[NeutralWatcher]

hmm. I already said what I did:
N1: Roleblocked Reborn
N2: Roleblocked Tac
N3: Used an ability that roleblocked anybody who targeted me

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Wasn't Queen also advocating that we priority lynch Dark Admiral yesterday? or am I misremembering?

What's your opinion on Cinera? Is he a bigger sus than DA?

1. TAC
   • He was apparently jailed by Krog, so a wasted action.
2. Krogothwolf
   • Kiwipom mentioned suspecting him and I found her case plausible, so I decided to act on it.
3. Krogothwolf again
   • There was no Kill the previous night, so repeating the Role Block to see if it holds is standard procedure.
   • I didn't want to Role Block as I'd started Town reading him, but I decided to defer to standard strategy.
   • If Krogothwolf was Town, then he was most likely The Prince, so in the worst case my actions would be ineffectual and not harmful.

Krogothwolf's log book.

1. He didn't claim being jailed.
2. Being Knight twice is pretty unlikely.
3. Krog specifically asked us to look into him.
4. I wanted to pressure him to claim.
5. I'm not sure how active I would be this day phase, and the above is a pretty strong case against him already.

My reasons are ranked in order of importance.

Not claiming Jailed is the most important one. It is inherently Scummy behaviour. A Town Player that does it is hurting Town, so it shouldn't be rewarded. Basically I'm willing to treat players that behave Scummy as Scum even if they could be Town.



I don't know if it was obvious. I do know that at the end of the day I was pretty confident "Krog is The Prince" and I was very inactive for most of the day phase. More observant players would have noticed it (hell, most of the messages I quoted were messages I saw for the first time when searching for "prince" by Krogothwolf, so there was a lot more evidence than what I used to arrive at the conclusion). I am still surprised you didn't notice it.

Can you explain what you did like Seraphoenix? What ability you used and on which player.

What's your opinion on DA? Is he a bigger sus than Seraphoenix?

 

[Finalbeta]

The way Krogo outlined DA's behaviour in his "Death Note" makes me believe he has a more fair chance to end up as a scum instead of Cinera or Sera

The thing is though I still find two Butlers to be dis-functional in this game, in fact their role is pretty specific if you guys think about, like they can poison the King for example

It doesn't make much sense to have two unless someone can confirm that's common in this game type

It's like a sterile repetition in my opinion

 

[Natalija]

I highly doubt it. Most likely one is Butler and the other is a big fat liar. Or Sellsword. They have similar powers.

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@Seraphoenix I don't recall you saying anything even though Cinera claimed ages ago? Why?

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Eye of the Tavern

The tavern of Castle Adiart was bustling; the court had spent a long hard day doing…something. The barkeep wasn’t really sure what it was the court actually did, but that didn’t matter, now -- it was a time to relax and be merry.

...Unless, of course, you’re part of the tavern staff. The staff was rushed off their feet as usual and, worst of all, he was here.

“Wahey!” came a raucous uproar from the corner of the tavern with the center of attention shined upon the black sheep of the royal family, dressed in a ridiculous, mismatching outfit with ale dripping down the front of his tunic.

He slammed the tankard down on the table and let out a mighty belch, along with a cry of “another!”. The exasperated barkeep signaled to a waitress who brought over another round. The beer-soaked, rarely-called-Prince took the tankard and :glug glug glug: -- it was gone as soon as it came.​

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"Wahey!"
:Belch:
"Another!"
:Pour:
:Glug Glug Glug:
[...]​

The barkeep rolled his eyes, “I know he’s a Prince of the Realm, but it wouldn’t kill him to pay his tab once in a while”, he thought to himself.

Suddenly the bar fell silent; a stunning figure stood at the doorway. His hair and perfect jawline almost shone with the dim light of the tavern’s lamps.​

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"Brother! Our Father wishes to speak with you, so cease these ridiculous antics and make yourself presentable".​

Two guards took the younger prince and escorted him to his chambers, where his butler was waiting with a change of clothes. The older brother tossed a sack of coins to the barkeep, “This should be enough to pay for the drinks”.

As the older Prince left the tavern he could have sworn he heard the barkeep mutter the words, “I wish”.
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@krogothwolf has been killed!


He left a logbook behind:

Spoiler

Greetings one and All. If you are getting this then that means I have died. A horrible horrible death. It is my fate to be slain by the vileness of the world.

I am Your Prince, devoted servant to our wonderful Queen, Kiwi. Shall she live a long and fruitful life and we shall forever server her as her subjects and...wait if she's the queen and I'm the prince and Nat is the princess....does that make her my mother and Nat my sister? This doesn't seem right, no not at all, not at all. REBEL PEOPLE REBEL AGAINST THIS TYRANNICAL SYSTEM THAT ASSIGNS FAMILY MEMBERS BY MERE RNG AND ROLES IN A GAME, FOR IT IS EVIL.

Okay, anyways, I should get onto the good stuff.

What is the good stuff you say?

Why it is the actions I preformed during the night of course. Well day actions followed by night actions.

So first thing that is weird.

1) My role apparently, for some odd reason, DOES NOT ROLEBLOCK MY TARGET

Honestly, this is just unacceptable for a jail cell. What kind of jail allows its person to go about and do their business. Such pointlessness. I mean it does stop people from going to my target. RB and Occupying them but thats it. My bastard of a prisoner can just go about willy nilly and do his own thing. Kinda weird right? Like this isn't the goddamn jail from aladdin here with secret doors right? What kinda jail has secret doors! A USELESS ONE THATS WHAT!

Anyways I digress, uselessness of jail cell aside Here is what I did during the day and night.

1) Jailed Tac at the day
He said physician, then he said he protected reborn
OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT IS A LIE AND HE DID NOT PROTECT A DAMN SOUL. Bloody jerk lied to me. Hurts my feelings

2) Jailed DA ver 2/Al replacement
So here is the weird thing about this one
First, he claimed he got Knight AGAIN, which is bloody weird as all hell.
2 knights and he gets both knights, so weird right?
He also claimed N1 he protected TAC. Very weird right here. I'm super curious about Al's true intent here. Something aint right and also he did not claimed to be Jailed during the next DayPhase. Question this man if I die and he's still alive. Suspiciousness is Suspicious.

3) In accordance with my role. I took a risk to confirm it works as intended.
I jailed NW and hoped he used his ability on someone and got proper results.
The reason for this is due to my role sayig(I also asked drago and he confirmed) it wont RB my target, means he's free to get the results he wants. While my jail cell(for bloody weird reasons) will stop someone from hitting him. This will, I hope, stop them from trying to kill AND stop the apostle from interfering with shit.

So there you have it.

This was the last will and testemant of your lovely Prince Krogothwolf

May who ever killed me rot in hell like the piece of trash you are.

It is now Day 4.
You have 24 hours to discuss.
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Spoiler

1. @LANJI CUCKSMOKE
2. @Queen
4. @Seraphoenix
5. @Flower
6. @Finalbeta
7. @Reborn
8. @Dark Admiral
9. @Cinera
10. @Kiwipom
11. @Yo Tan Wa
13. @Hawks
18. @Natalija
19. @Zoro D Goat
20. @NeutralWatcher

Sorry Krogothwolf, i thought you were sus and redirected you with me. 🤦‍♂️

My plan backfired.

 

[Finalbeta]

There's to consider the fact that The Fool is likely present in the game and that has got to be someone who is moving the threads hiding in the shadows

It could be a player who is off with his meta

 

[Seraphoenix]

That makes no sense whatsoever. I revealed my info and Dragomir backed my mistake up. Stop the pointless trolling

This fits in with TAC not killing on N2, I guess. But why did you throw a party on night 3?

@Cinera Since you're both Butlers apparently, what did you do?

I explained last night that I would do it to prove that I was the butler. Moreover I didn’t want to get converted as cult would know I was butler.

 

[Natalija]

1. TAC
   • He was apparently jailed by Krog, so a wasted action.
2. Krogothwolf
   • Kiwipom mentioned suspecting him and I found her case plausible, so I decided to act on it.
3. Krogothwolf again
   • There was no Kill the previous night, so repeating the Role Block to see if it holds is standard procedure.
   • I didn't want to Role Block as I'd started Town reading him, but I decided to defer to standard strategy.
   • If Krogothwolf was Town, then he was most likely The Prince, so in the worst case my actions would be ineffectual and not harmful.

So... You picked up on his hints, but roleblocked him anyway? That's... Sigh

Sorry Krogothwolf, i thought you were sus and redirected you with me. 🤦‍♂️

My plan backfired.

you killed my brother basically

 

[Seraphoenix]

What's your opinion on Cinera? Is he a bigger sus than DA?


Can you explain what you did like Seraphoenix? What ability you used and on which player.

What's your opinion on DA? Is he a bigger sus than Seraphoenix?

Cinera is playing like a townie now. Overall I don’t know. Everyone I talked to said that two roles in the game is not possible. That would mean he is lying. Not only that but he roleblocked krog two nights in a row. Very convenient as he is dead and can’t dispute it. Same with his roleblock on TAC N1.

 

[Natalija]

This is what I think: both @Cinera and @Seraphoenix are telling the truth about their role blocks. One is Butler, the other is Sellsword.

And I am inclined to think that Cinera is the Sellsword because he suspected and roleblocked the Prince. Without him, we are sitting ducks.

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Note that TAC claimed he targeted Seraphoenix.

@Natalija, @NeutralWatcher I'm not really a fan of being asked questions I've already answered.

Hahaha sorry, I hadn't seen it when I was asking. Wait, let me dig into that TAC bit.

 

[Natalija]

Note that TAC claimed he targeted Seraphoenix.

I looked into it, he did. But on the same night @Seraphoenix claims to have roleblocked him. That is a possible explanation why TAC's action failed.

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TAC suspected he was death immune, but Wiki tells me Cult Leader is not death immune.

................... Only Unseen Mastermind is death immune :')

 

[Kiwipom]

As the Queen of this land, I shall guide you all into victory,
But sadly, I began to realize why we would never see glory,
During my rule, I discovered my kingdom is just a cesspool,
Because my subjects are nothing but incompetent fools!

First we were swayed to hang our loyal knight,
Not even questioning why he didn't put up a fight,
Blinded we were, by that unscrupulous Flower,
Devious she was, but you, my subjects are even dumber

For shame! For shame!
To fall for such traps, you all should take blame!

As your great leader, I am feeling exasperated,
Because you all get too easily affected,
Fogged by self-doubt and forgetting that the cult is growing stronger by the day,
Now trying to hang the knight again, because two knights is weird you say,

But the same goes for the butlers, we have two at bay,
And don’t forget what we were told yesterday,
Seraphoenix is the cult leader, the serial killer exclaimed!
If we let Sera live, I will continue to feel ashamed,

That my kingdom is filled with buffoons,
And thus, we are all doomed.

So I urge to lynch him today, off with his head!
Stop being fools and finally, we will have the cult leader dead!

 

[Finalbeta]

And I am inclined to think that Cinera is the Sellsword because he suspected and roleblocked the Prince. Without him, we are sitting ducks.

It makes sense that he would claim Butler once on the lynching platform if he was Neutral but you are forgetting that Cult can act at any night here which is a big defiance

 

[Seraphoenix]

As the Queen of this land, I shall guide you all into victory,
But sadly, I began to realize why we would never see glory,
During my rule, I discovered my kingdom is just a cesspool,
Because my subjects are nothing but incompetent fools!

First we were swayed to hang our loyal knight,
Not even questioning why he didn't put up a fight,
Blinded we were, by that unscrupulous Flower,
Devious she was, but you, my subjects are even dumber

For shame! For shame!
To fall for such traps, you all should take blame!

As your great leader, I am feeling exasperated,
Because you all get too easily affected,
Fogged by self-doubt and forgetting that the cult is growing stronger by the day,
Now trying to hang the knight again, because two knights is weird you say,

But the same goes for the butlers, we have two at bay,
And don’t forget what we were told yesterday,
Seraphoenix is the cult leader, the serial killer exclaimed!
If we let Sera live, I will continue to feel ashamed,

That my kingdom is filled with buffoons,
And thus, we are all doomed.

So I urge to lynch him today, off with his head!
Stop being fools and finally, we will have the cult leader dead!

Someone explain this. This is like the third person seemingly forced to post something. Perhaps they want me to kill our Queen?

 

[Kiwipom]

Sorry Krogothwolf, i thought you were sus and redirected you with me. 🤦‍♂️

My plan backfired.

Then this means that there is no reason to believe that scum guessed that Krogo was the Prince because he wasn't the target

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Someone explain this. This is like the third person seemingly forced to post something. Perhaps they want me to kill our Queen?

I'm just frustrated and decided to voice my thoughts using a poem.

 

[Natalija]

It makes sense that he would claim Butler once on the lynching platform if he was Neutral but you are forgetting that Cult can act at any night here which is a big defiance

I don't understand what you're trying to say?

@Cinera Listen. If they are buddies, convenient that @Reborn could corroborate N1. And saying TAC is N2 is convenient too, because TAC already claimed to have failed killing him.

@Seraphoenix Why yourself on N3, why not help someone else?

 

[NeutralWatcher]

Here is confirmed actions:

Cinera:

1. TAC
   • He was apparently jailed by Krog, so a wasted action.
2. Krogothwolf
   • Kiwipom mentioned suspecting him and I found her case plausible, so I decided to act on it.
3. Krogothwolf again
   • There was no Kill the previous night, so repeating the Role Block to see if it holds is standard procedure.
   • I didn't want to Role Block as I'd started Town reading him, but I decided to defer to standard strategy.
   • If Krogothwolf was Town, then he was most likely The Prince, so in the worst case my actions would be ineffectual and not harmful.

Seraphoenix:

N1: Roleblocked Reborn
N2: Roleblocked Tac
N3: Used an ability that roleblocked anybody who targeted me

Lanji:

stand guard rebon on night 1
stand guard neutral on night 2
3 roles were blocked on neutral

The only player we can ask right now is Reborn. TAC and Krogothwolf are dead. Lanji only guarded me and Reborn. So Seraphoenix roleblocked Reborn.

I want to know Reborn opinion and also DA thought.

@Reborn @Dark Admiral

 

[Seraphoenix]

I don't understand what you're trying to say?

@Cinera Listen. If they are buddies, convenient that @Reborn could corroborate N1. And saying TAC is N2 is convenient too, because TAC already claimed to have failed killing him.

@Seraphoenix Why yourself on N3, why not help someone else?

You already asked this question and I answered it.

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Here is confirmed actions:

Cinera:

1. TAC
   • He was apparently jailed by Krog, so a wasted action.
2. Krogothwolf
   • Kiwipom mentioned suspecting him and I found her case plausible, so I decided to act on it.
3. Krogothwolf again
   • There was no Kill the previous night, so repeating the Role Block to see if it holds is standard procedure.
   • I didn't want to Role Block as I'd started Town reading him, but I decided to defer to standard strategy.
   • If Krogothwolf was Town, then he was most likely The Prince, so in the worst case my actions would be ineffectual and not harmful.

Seraphoenix:

N1: Roleblocked Reborn
N2: Roleblocked Tac
N3: Used an ability that roleblocked anybody who targeted me

Lanji:

stand guard rebon on night 1
stand guard neutral on night 2
3 roles were blocked on neutral

The only player we can ask right now is Reborn. TAC and Krogothwolf are dead. Lanji only guarded me and Reborn. So Seraphoenix roleblocked Reborn.

I want to know Reborn opinion and also DA thought.

@Reborn @Dark Admiral

Not just Reborn. Anybody who targeted me last night can confirm their action failed due to me roleblocking them.