Controversial Rumble’s Revenge On Democracy: WorstGen ASOIAF 2v2 Fighting Tournament
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Wait hold up, do you think Meyles the Monstrous is stronger than the Hound?
Now who’s taking hype and rumor at face value? Lmfao
Damn, didn’t know my guy hated the Hound this much. Lmfao
Martin’s most wanked character, Jaime Lannister, who claimed he could kill Arthur Dayne, also said he would have a hard time with Sandor. Lol
I didn’t say I believed it…lol
EDIT: I see the confusion. I was commenting on the hype around Sandoq. IE he was hyped as killing Wyverns with rocks. That doesn’t mean I believe the hype. It’s just a statement that his hype itself is fucking crazy.
That’s not even close to the entire point of the book.
The Dance’s recounting is unreliable, Fire and Blood acknowledges this in canon as we are given multiple sources through which the Dance is recounted, all of whom are biased, in addition to the source who is narrating the book who tells us why he believes those sources are unreliable. That is the Dance where history was not accurately recorded.
Aegon III’s coup attempt did not share this because it didn’t happen in the middle of a horrific war and was witnessed by many reliable sources. Sandoq’s presence at Westeros’s court was also well documented. There is no reason to doubt any post-Dance history given to us by the book.
Now who’s taking hype and rumor at face value? Lmfao
Damn, didn’t know my guy hated the Hound this much. Lmfao
Martin’s most wanked character, Jaime Lannister, who claimed he could kill Arthur Dayne, also said he would have a hard time with Sandor. Lol
I didn’t say I believed it…lol
EDIT: I see the confusion. I was commenting on the hype around Sandoq. IE he was hyped as killing Wyverns with rocks. That doesn’t mean I believe the hype. It’s just a statement that his hype itself is fucking crazy.
That’s not even close to the entire point of the book.
The Dance’s recounting is unreliable, Fire and Blood acknowledges this in canon as we are given multiple sources through which the Dance is recounted, all of whom are biased, in addition to the source who is narrating the book who tells us why he believes those sources are unreliable. That is the Dance where history was not accurately recorded.
Aegon III’s coup attempt did not share this because it didn’t happen in the middle of a horrific war and was witnessed by many reliable sources. Sandoq’s presence at Westeros’s court was also well documented. There is no reason to doubt any post-Dance history given to us by the book.
I explicitely stated the source is what gives the unreliable nature of Sandoq's tales, not the fact the story was told anecdotally.
Sandoq's fanficful story is told in a book filled with purposefully fanciful tales. The very function of and purpose of Fire & Blood is to be questioned and disbelieved, starting with the fact it was written MANY YEARS after the fact.
Nothing in the manner in which Maelys' story was told and ended indictates he wasn't infact an inhumanely strong fighter. Something the Hound is not, given the specific distinction from Jaime in ASoS.
Wyverns, bruh?
I don't hate the Hound at all, but I hate the boring, predictable route this thread took. Contrary to your claims, you lot do take shit about Sandoq at face value.
And no, it is most definitely Arthur Dayne that is GRRM and this fanbase's most hyped character.
Unlike Barristan, Jaime is ungodly arrogant. That colours his every thought and sentiment.
You cunts absolutely believe the hype, hence the route this thread has taken.
You motherfuckers might as well crown Belwas Strong as the #1 strongest man alive now.
THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN OVER A CENTURY AFTER THE FACT.
HOW is this so difficult to comprehend?
ALL OF IT is unreliable. Don't argue with me, argue with George.
NOTHING is "well documented" because none of the people alive survived until Gyldane's age.
Was there a Sandoq at court? Maybe. Was he as described in the books? Of fucking course not.
You are literally being selective with the truth. All of you Sandoq dickriders are.
Sandoq's fanficful story is told in a book filled with purposefully fanciful tales. The very function of and purpose of Fire & Blood is to be questioned and disbelieved, starting with the fact it was written MANY YEARS after the fact.
Nothing in the manner in which Maelys' story was told and ended indictates he wasn't infact an inhumanely strong fighter. Something the Hound is not, given the specific distinction from Jaime in ASoS.
Wyverns, bruh?
I don't hate the Hound at all, but I hate the boring, predictable route this thread took. Contrary to your claims, you lot do take shit about Sandoq at face value.
And no, it is most definitely Arthur Dayne that is GRRM and this fanbase's most hyped character.
Unlike Barristan, Jaime is ungodly arrogant. That colours his every thought and sentiment.
You cunts absolutely believe the hype, hence the route this thread has taken.
You motherfuckers might as well crown Belwas Strong as the #1 strongest man alive now.
THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN OVER A CENTURY AFTER THE FACT.
HOW is this so difficult to comprehend?
ALL OF IT is unreliable. Don't argue with me, argue with George.
NOTHING is "well documented" because none of the people alive survived until Gyldane's age.
Was there a Sandoq at court? Maybe. Was he as described in the books? Of fucking course not.
You are literally being selective with the truth. All of you Sandoq dickriders are.
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So let’s clarify what Fire and Blood actually is.
The book is supposed to be an official Maester’s academic attempt to piece together the accounts of history that were recorded at the actual times that they happened.
The events of Fire and Blood absolutely were recorded during the actual times they happened in. Oftentimes, the narrator states that there are multiple separate sources who all agree simultaneously on certain events taking place. So while the actual narration of the history itself was pieced together by a modern master, the historical events themselves were recorded during the actual time periods that they took place in.
The ONLY exception to this, and it’s not really an exception really but…the only “exception” to this is the Dance of the Dragons which was such a disastrous war that history is sparse as it’s kind of maybe implied that the history has been tampered with after the fact for political reasons but…
That has absolutely nothing to do with Sandoq the Shadow as his name isn’t even mentioned until years after the end of the Dance itself. So outside of the Dance, the rest of the events of the book are as reliable as any historical accounts narrated after the fact are going to be.
The only thing I take at face value regarding Sandoq is his battle at the bridge where he defending Aegon from an attempted coup led by Ser Aumary Peak of the Kingsguard. Where there were many separate witnesses to these events as well as the events afterward. It is also accepted fact that Sandoq survived this battle as he was seen by hundreds of people at the Westeros court after the fact. It is also agreed that Ser Aumary Peak died during this incident.
I do not take Sandoq’s hype of killing mini Dragons with fucking rocks literally lmfao. I am stating that the sheer fact that he was hyped as having done so is a completely absurd level of hype. There is a lot of nonsense unsubstantiated hype in ASOIAF, and a lot of hype that is completely exaggerated to the point of meaninglessness. Sandoq’s hype may very well be one such peace of hype.
However, there isn’t exactly a reason to doubt his hype either, aside from the fact that it just seems crazy. Which isn’t really a good enough reason to just completely dismiss the hype and not even consider it in this thread imo. Is his hype exaggerated? Maybe or even probably. Should we toss his hype out the fucking window completely and not even discuss it? Now how is that fair? Lol
100% of us have told you we do not fully believe the hype. Lol
You completely took George’s words out of context.
George’s point is not that the whole damn book is a lie, George’s point is that Fire and Blood is as reliable as any historical account is. Which is that there’s really no way to say what the full truth is. That doesn’t mean we should just throw the whole book out of the window because it’s a historical account…lmfao
The book is supposed to be an official Maester’s academic attempt to piece together the accounts of history that were recorded at the actual times that they happened.
The events of Fire and Blood absolutely were recorded during the actual times they happened in. Oftentimes, the narrator states that there are multiple separate sources who all agree simultaneously on certain events taking place. So while the actual narration of the history itself was pieced together by a modern master, the historical events themselves were recorded during the actual time periods that they took place in.
The ONLY exception to this, and it’s not really an exception really but…the only “exception” to this is the Dance of the Dragons which was such a disastrous war that history is sparse as it’s kind of maybe implied that the history has been tampered with after the fact for political reasons but…
That has absolutely nothing to do with Sandoq the Shadow as his name isn’t even mentioned until years after the end of the Dance itself. So outside of the Dance, the rest of the events of the book are as reliable as any historical accounts narrated after the fact are going to be.
The only thing I take at face value regarding Sandoq is his battle at the bridge where he defending Aegon from an attempted coup led by Ser Aumary Peak of the Kingsguard. Where there were many separate witnesses to these events as well as the events afterward. It is also accepted fact that Sandoq survived this battle as he was seen by hundreds of people at the Westeros court after the fact. It is also agreed that Ser Aumary Peak died during this incident.
I do not take Sandoq’s hype of killing mini Dragons with fucking rocks literally lmfao. I am stating that the sheer fact that he was hyped as having done so is a completely absurd level of hype. There is a lot of nonsense unsubstantiated hype in ASOIAF, and a lot of hype that is completely exaggerated to the point of meaninglessness. Sandoq’s hype may very well be one such peace of hype.
However, there isn’t exactly a reason to doubt his hype either, aside from the fact that it just seems crazy. Which isn’t really a good enough reason to just completely dismiss the hype and not even consider it in this thread imo. Is his hype exaggerated? Maybe or even probably. Should we toss his hype out the fucking window completely and not even discuss it? Now how is that fair? Lol
100% of us have told you we do not fully believe the hype. Lol
You completely took George’s words out of context.
George’s point is not that the whole damn book is a lie, George’s point is that Fire and Blood is as reliable as any historical account is. Which is that there’s really no way to say what the full truth is. That doesn’t mean we should just throw the whole book out of the window because it’s a historical account…lmfao
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You’re not understanding my point
GOT wrote by Martin is the main universe
the main bulk of the story wrote by the creator himself
everything else is second rate material
Arthur was portrayed as the bonafide apex predator of the verse
Martin himself hyped him in and even out of the story with his different statements etc
Something can come up later as secondary material saying a guy can lift a ton with his finger and slay dragons for breakfast he would still be below Arthur in the GOT verse
Outside of that you are all hyping Sandoq feats way out of proportions, I think the Mountain with full plate and shield could have done something similar etc
You’re not understanding my point
GOT wrote by Martin is the main universe
the main bulk of the story wrote by the creator himself
everything else is second rate material
Arthur was portrayed as the bonafide apex predator of the verse
Martin himself hyped him in and even out of the story with his different statements etc
Something can come up later as secondary material saying a guy can lift a ton with his finger and slay dragons for breakfast he would still be below Arthur in the GOT verse
Outside of that you are all hyping Sandoq feats way out of proportions, I think the Mountain with full plate and shield could have done something similar etc
It doesn’t even matter.
His name was ARTHUR.
He wielded a SPECIAL SWORD even compared to Valyrian steel and he died without being clearly bested.
Everyone sucks his dick long after he passed.
What the fuck are we even talking about? How much more obvious can GRRM make is that this is the #1 guy in the verse?
His name was ARTHUR.
He wielded a SPECIAL SWORD even compared to Valyrian steel and he died without being clearly bested.
Everyone sucks his dick long after he passed.
What the fuck are we even talking about? How much more obvious can GRRM make is that this is the #1 guy in the verse?
I stopped reading here. No point in debating such a stupid position lmfao.
Everyone sucked his dick because he was alive like 30 minutes ago, lol
Jaime openly claimed he could kill Arthur and Jaime is certainly not top 5 in the history of Westeros or even particularly close lol.
You two are basically exposing yourselves as a couple of plebs with zero knowledge of this universe outside of the main series books lmfao. “Those characters are stronger because I read their books!” (Even though Dayne was the definition of a character with almost zero plot relevance even in his own era).
Everyone sucked his dick because he was alive like 30 minutes ago, lol
Jaime openly claimed he could kill Arthur and Jaime is certainly not top 5 in the history of Westeros or even particularly close lol.
You two are basically exposing yourselves as a couple of plebs with zero knowledge of this universe outside of the main series books lmfao. “Those characters are stronger because I read their books!” (Even though Dayne was the definition of a character with almost zero plot relevance even in his own era).
