Future Events Sanji defeats King and Luffer defeats Kaido

#41
All of the supernovas have likely gotten stronger afterwards. They are way above YC4 levels. Moreover, Sanji was considerably weaker than Daifuku back in WCI. Daifuku was clearly toying with Sanji and could put him down for good anytime he wanted. Sanji has shown nothing comparable to a big a** genie or island range boiling of sea in just a few seconds. Plus, they have unfinished business, Daifuku hit Pudding back in WCI, Sanji needs to get revenge on that.
I don't believe that all the Supernova get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their strength just because they hold that title. Bonnie has a pretty cool ability but I wouldn't say she's stronger than Snack or Ace or whoever you'd place as YC4. Regarding Daifuku, the only time he seemed superior to Sanji was in his genie's original form earlier in the arc but later in the arc, Sanji blocked the dude, at his strongest, with a base kick to save Carrot. Afterwards Sulong Carrot was too fast for Daifuku to even hit. I don't see how Sanji was considerably weaker when Daifuku busted out his strongest form and Sanji responded with a non-Diable Jambe kick.

Regarding Oven, him being capable of that was impressive but Sanji proved he was too fast for the guy when he saved Chiffon before he could even see Sanji. Not every character has replicated Oven's feat or done something of similar scale but that doesn't make them weaker. Ichiji pierced straight through Oven no problem and the dude was stalled by Aladdin near the end of Whole Cake Island. If Oven couldn't even see the dude who kicked him into a building, how's he gonna face Sanji in a 1v1? Sanji showed no grudge with Daifuku when he protected Carrot, plus he has way more to worry about at Onigashima, where Daifuku isn't even present. CP0 highlighted Kaido's executives as the most important thing for the alliance to take down, would be strange for Sanji to direct his attention to Oven or Daifuku when he left Page One to Usopp despite facing him prior as well.
 
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#42
I don't believe that all the Supernova get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their strength just because they hold that title. Bonnie has a pretty cool ability but I wouldn't say she's stronger than Snack or Ace or whoever you'd place as YC4. Regarding Daifuku, the only time he seemed superior to Sanji was in his genie's original form earlier in the arc but later in the arc, Sanji blocked the dude, at his strongest, with a base kick to save Carrot. Afterwards Sulong Carrot was too fast for Daifuku to even hit. I don't see how Sanji was considerably weaker when Daifuku busted out his strongest form and Sanji responded with a non-Diable Jambe kick.

Regarding Oven, him being capable of that was impressive but Sanji proved he was too fast for the guy when he saved Chiffon before he could even see Sanji. Not every character has replicated Oven's feat or done something of similar scale but that doesn't make them weaker. Ichiji pierced straight through Oven no problem and the dude was stalled by Aladdin near the end of Whole Cake Island. If Oven couldn't even see the dude who kicked him into a building, how's he gonna face Sanji in a 1v1. Sanji showed no grudge with Daifuku when he protected Carrot, plus he has way more to worry about at Onigashima, where Daifuku isn't even present. CP0 highlighted Kaido's executives as the most important thing for the alliance to take down, would be strange for Sanji to direct his attention to Oven or Daifuku when he left Page One to Usopp despite facing him prior as well.
Oven and Daifuku are most likely stronger than Page One/Ulti though. They have very unique abilities that are quite hard to deal with and they are probably at the same ballpark with WsW.
Oven survived Sparking Valkyrie, which is far far stronger than any attack Sanji has shown so far, and was about to make fishsticks from the fishmen 5 minutes later. Knowing this, I don’t think we have seen even 5% of Daifuku’s full power, who is supposed to be equal to Oven.
 
#47
Condom ain't beating kaido alone and there's fucking big mom to content with as well, she ain't just going to be a bystander and let the sn do whatever they want.

Zoro has the motivation and reason outside than just to help fluffy beat the yonkou, there's an actual setup to kill him in the story, look how it has been foreshadowed in wano and the ryuma parallel plus the fact that kaido himself stated that he's waiting for a samurai that's as monstrous as oden. :kata:

What can that cunt do to king or queen? he lacks the dc, the ap, the bitch hasn't even showcased his armament haki on panel without having the need to use a microscope. KIng is a swordsman, he'll chop off judge's son legs like butter, similar to how vergo cracked his bones when they clash, in candyboy fighting styles with minimal effort. Have you forgotten when cuckji clash with king he got pummeled to the ground while screaming he'll die with a hole in his chest. fortunately for him, daddy came to the rescue with his power rangers suit. Carried by daddy that he hates the most how pathetic. :gokulaugh:

The only one living rent-free is Zoro in your mind with this ridiculous thread trying to downplay the GOAT, and it's funny how you call me salty when Zoro is doing great and your boy the cuck is getting bodied by gifters and crying for help and embarrassing himself and the crew in front of a multitude of enemies and fellow rivals. He should have stayed in the kitchen and prepare a meal for his comrade while the real men are out there trying to win the war. They'll be famished. :josad:
Only thing I see funny first is your grammar. Then your headcannon thinking Luffy doesn't want to fight Kaido alone which is more laughable as he does want that and it being set up for that. Only ones I see being with him more are Kidd and Law, but it soon turn to Luffy vs Kaido. Zoro isn't beating Kaido especially solo fight which is more dumbest statement I ever heard as he doesn't have hype compare to Luffy facing him.

Also get off name-calling as it getting embarrassing taking you seriously honestly. Sanji already proven blocking and tanking King's attack and even bending his beak from early. Him being on YC lvl and facing them later is likely. Nothing to do with side I am on, but just the facts on him facing someone stronger later. Don't give me that BS on early when Zoro got his as captured by New Fishman Pirates and needed help by others as well he been hype tool like a fodder in Wano arc as even Apoo didn't go down by him and it was 2 vs 1. Sanji can't hurt women, so no excuse on him especially defeating all males on the floor even after that situation. Don't be salty boy just because your insecure on the facts and can't help people telling your wrong on your statement because your rent-free on fictional character who can handle himself than poor fake swordsman needing magic sword abilities than his own if you want ot get real :kayneshrug:.
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Neither of them are viable. Supernovas would turn Sanji to a trashcan and commanders are too strong for him. Most probable options right now are Daifuku or Snack.
Yes they are both viable. What headcannon are you on? Sanji already block and tanked King early and bended his beak. Are you doing ok there on real facts? This arc is about taking on Beast Pirates more than others. He doing better in handling himself than compare to swordsman who can't even defeat someone in 2 vs 1 fight.
 
#51
I particularly believe he is still going to have a 1v1 moment against Kaido. That's when he will open the wound and be acknowledged.
But then he gets beaten.
I think that's actually pretty good for him.
It's not like he isn't going to have 1v1's on later arcs. :kayneshrug:
still not a proper 1v1..plus kaido ain't a swordsman.. so the fight won't be that flashy compared to when he fights a swordsman... like in pre timeskip.... its all been fodder in post time skip... WEE NEED MORE SWORD FIGHTSS
 
#53
Choppa and Lanyi defeats Queen together. Luffer defeats Kaido and Zoro Killing Kaido. ZKK
chopper eats up Perespero while sanji whoops Queen's sugars **
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No 'Ws and Ls'. Don't embarrass yourself, kid.

Sanji most likely facing Queen alone and Chopper going to have Perospero on his hands actually.

Luffy beating Kaido, so no Zoro isn't harming him especially it's not his code to go after someone while they are down.
Lanji = LIGHT SPPEEEDO SANJIII
- KOL
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All of the supernovas have likely gotten stronger afterwards. They are way above YC4 levels. Moreover, Sanji was considerably weaker than Daifuku back in WCI. Daifuku was clearly toying with Sanji and could put him down for good anytime he wanted. Sanji has shown nothing comparable to a big a** genie or island range boiling of sea in just a few seconds. Plus, they have unfinished business, Daifuku hit Pudding back in WCI, Sanji needs to get revenge on that.
weak..... in WCI.... u gotta be kidding right.
 
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Only thing I see funny first is your grammar. Then your headcannon thinking Luffy doesn't want to fight Kaido alone which is more laughable as he does want that and it being set up for that. Only ones I see being with him more are Kidd and Law, but it soon turn to Luffy vs Kaido. Zoro isn't beating Kaido especially solo fight which is more dumbest statement I ever heard as he doesn't have hype compare to Luffy facing him.

Also get off name-calling as it getting embarrassing taking you seriously honestly. Sanji already proven blocking and tanking King's attack and even bending his beak from early. Him being on YC lvl and facing them later is likely. Nothing to do with side I am on, but just the facts on him facing someone stronger later. Don't give me that BS on early when Zoro got his as captured by New Fishman Pirates and needed help by others as well he been hype tool like a fodder in Wano arc as even Apoo didn't go down by him and it was 2 vs 1. Sanji can't hurt women, so no excuse on him especially defeating all males on the floor even after that situation. Don't be salty boy just because your insecure on the facts and can't help people telling your wrong on your statement because your rent-free on fictional character who can handle himself than poor fake swordsman needing magic sword abilities than his own if you want ot get real :kayneshrug:.
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Where in the hell did I say that Luffy doesn't want to fight kaido, and where has he stated that he wanted to take down kaido alone? If he said that why did he let zoro tag along when he was trying to go up. He should have told zoro and the other sn that he'll take kaido alone and that no one should interfere in his fight. Did that happened?.
What is law and kidd going to do, they have shown nothing so far that outshine what zoro has done in this past few chapters fighting kaido, fuck killer did more than his own captain and fucking luffy had to be saved by zoro twice from danger. Nobody said Zoro is taking Kaido alone, you are stupid enough to think the condom is going to fight kaido alone. He'll need help to beat them, no one on the roof is 1v1 a yonkou and beating them.

Judge's son tanking king?!, more like the raid suit did that, have you forgotten what he said?
bend king beak?! wtf are you on, that never happened if it did king would have mentioned it or stated it, he never did. stop deluding yourself with these headcanons. He's not commander level stop dreaming, him fighting a calamity will only happened if it's a tag team, he ain't beating any Commander alone, he lacks ap and dc to finish a commander especially these zoan one's who are known forhow durable they are.
Zoro was underwater and out of breath what do you expect a normal human to do there, grow gills to breathe?, he even low diff the arc main antagonist before he went out of air. Apoo was defeated by zoro, him standing up later doesn't lessen Zoro feat but only hype apoo durability and he didn't need help from apoo to beat him one hit was all he need, drake was left shock with had taken place before him that he was speechless.
I got no qualms with sanji not wanting to beat women, it's when he begged and cried for help that i find pathetic. He could have avoided being captured when he had time to beat the male gifters he should have fled instead of staying there only to be captured. Seeing as many sanjitards claim that he has great coo, some even saying that he has fs, he should have seen the trap beforehand but that never occurs sadly for you who claim so.
Me salty, do you see me making threads downplaying sanji? seems to me like you're looking at a mirror. You must be reading three piece if you consider what you have just uttered facts.
Enma ain't no magic sword, the only gimmick it ha is to forcibly suck the user ryou, what magic is eating a fruit and getting all sorts of ability from it. By your logic the likes of wb, kaido, bm, etc, are pathetic for relying on outside powers huh.
 
#56
Where in the hell did I say that Luffy doesn't want to fight kaido, and where has he stated that he wanted to take down kaido alone? If he said that why did he let zoro tag along when he was trying to go up. He should have told zoro and the other sn that he'll take kaido alone and that no one should interfere in his fight. Did that happened?.
What is law and kidd going to do, they have shown nothing so far that outshine what zoro has done in this past few chapters fighting kaido, fuck killer did more than his own captain and fucking luffy had to be saved by zoro twice from danger. Nobody said Zoro is taking Kaido alone, you are stupid enough to think the condom is going to fight kaido alone. He'll need help to beat them, no one on the roof is 1v1 a yonkou and beating them.

Judge's son tanking king?!, more like the raid suit did that, have you forgotten what he said?
bend king beak?! wtf are you on, that never happened if it did king would have mentioned it or stated it, he never did. stop deluding yourself with these headcanons. He's not commander level stop dreaming, him fighting a calamity will only happened if it's a tag team, he ain't beating any Commander alone, he lacks ap and dc to finish a commander especially these zoan one's who are known forhow durable they are.
Zoro was underwater and out of breath what do you expect a normal human to do there, grow gills to breathe?, he even low diff the arc main antagonist before he went out of air. Apoo was defeated by zoro, him standing up later doesn't lessen Zoro feat but only hype apoo durability and he didn't need help from apoo to beat him one hit was all he need, drake was left shock with had taken place before him that he was speechless.
I got no qualms with sanji not wanting to beat women, it's when he begged and cried for help that i find pathetic. He could have avoided being captured when he had time to beat the male gifters he should have fled instead of staying there only to be captured. Seeing as many sanjitards claim that he has great coo, some even saying that he has fs, he should have seen the trap beforehand but that never occurs sadly for you who claim so.
Me salty, do you see me making threads downplaying sanji? seems to me like you're looking at a mirror. You must be reading three piece if you consider what you have just uttered facts.
Enma ain't no magic sword, the only gimmick it ha is to forcibly suck the user ryou, what magic is eating a fruit and getting all sorts of ability from it. By your logic the likes of wb, kaido, bm, etc, are pathetic for relying on outside powers huh.
Going to be hype tool for Kaido obviously especially Luffy wants be one to make name for himself. Zoro is apart of hype tool along with Killer, but Kidd and Law are not going down easily, but put their best while Luffy will do most overall.

Not headcannons, Sanji did all that can he came back fine. Him facing YC make sense especially where things are going on facing stronger opponent.

Kid, grow up and stop being salty boy as your one and the same like them. Not just a fan on Sanji. I am fan to all characters even Zoro, but don't BS on BS. Not going for headcannons at all unlike you and your missing every point badly if you think otherwise. Again. Zoro isn't beating Big Mom and Kaido if he couldn't beat Apoo in 2 vs 1 and lol. Sanji ask help with Nami with Kalifia in pre-timeskip. Did that stop him facing someone stronger? That is more character development given how Robin responded about situation and everyone knows he can't fight women. It's stupid to use that meaning he won't face someone stronger. Your getting more biased by second than being honest.

Enma is magic sword especially heavy hints by Big Mom and Kaido about it when responding to the blade. Nothing wrong with that as Zoro is strong on his own, but it's clear Enma is more something else with it's own ability. Get off toxicity and get back to reality, bruh. It's embarrassing talking to you guys by minute.
 
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Going to be hype tool for Kaido obviously especially Luffy wants be one to make name for himself. Zoro is apart of hype tool along with Killer, but Kidd and Law are not going down easily, but put their best while Luffy will do most overall.
No, Zoro isn't going to be hype tool for Zoro. None of the five SN are hype tools they're going to have their shine in this fight. Why are Kidd and law not given the benefit of the doubt when they haven't shown anything, while zoro is out there making the two yonko panic with his attack. They'll never out last Zoro. Zoro is the monstrous samurai that kaido has been waiting for.


Not headcannons, Sanji did all that can he came back fine. Him facing YC make sense especially where things are going on facing stronger opponent.
Didn't bother to click the spoiler didn't ya? Him facing commanders makes sense only if it's a tag team or a heavily nerf one like Jack.

Kid, grow up and stop being salty boy as your one and the same like them. Not just a fan on Sanji. I am fan to all characters even Zoro, but don't BS on BS. Not going for headcannons at all unlike you and your missing every point badly if you think otherwise. Again. Zoro isn't beating Big Mom and Kaido if he couldn't beat Apoo in 2 vs 1 and lol. Sanji ask help with Nami with Kalifia in pre-timeskip. Did that stop him facing someone stronger? That is more character development given how Robin responded about situation and everyone knows he can't fight women. It's stupid to use that meaning he won't face someone stronger. Your getting more biased by second than being honest.

The only bullshit I see are coming from your mouth, and again what here is saying that Zoro is soloing both yonko? Stop claiming I said that. Why are you such a disgusting liar?. There's a lot of characters stronger than black Maria that aren't commanders you know.
And character development!:gokulaugh: nice way of damage controling. Not surprised since that's what y'all been doing for years and years. I just find that situation pathetic, can't see a simp like him beating monsters like queen not to mention king the swordman. Unless you want simpji to be handed another big fat L or even worse end his career of fighting with his feet then be my guess.


Enma is magic sword especially heavy hint by Big Mom and Kaido about it when responding to the blade. Nothing wrong with that as Zoro is strong on his own, but it's clear Enma is more something else with it's own ability. Get off toxicity and get back to reality, bruh. It's embarrassing talking to you guys by minute.
It's not a magic swords, the kitetsu has a cursed are they magic swords as well?shusui absorbs the other two swords attack is it a magic sword's? People only say it's so to downplay zoro. The damn sword is nothing but a piece of metal without the user. Anything that Enma does is only possible because of a user in it's case a very strong one. big mom commented on it because it was radiating an aura that's about to fuck kaido up. That's zoro haki that shook her. Kaido sense a strange aura within it. That's the inherited will of oden residing in the sword after it was pass down to Zoro.
 
#58
Where in the hell did I say that Luffy doesn't want to fight kaido, and where has he stated that he wanted to take down kaido alone? If he said that why did he let zoro tag along when he was trying to go up. He should have told zoro and the other sn that he'll take kaido alone and that no one should interfere in his fight. Did that happened?.
What is law and kidd going to do, they have shown nothing so far that outshine what zoro has done in this past few chapters fighting kaido, fuck killer did more than his own captain and fucking luffy had to be saved by zoro twice from danger. Nobody said Zoro is taking Kaido alone, you are stupid enough to think the condom is going to fight kaido alone. He'll need help to beat them, no one on the roof is 1v1 a yonkou and beating them.

Judge's son tanking king?!, more like the raid suit did that, have you forgotten what he said?
bend king beak?! wtf are you on, that never happened if it did king would have mentioned it or stated it, he never did. stop deluding yourself with these headcanons. He's not commander level stop dreaming, him fighting a calamity will only happened if it's a tag team, he ain't beating any Commander alone, he lacks ap and dc to finish a commander especially these zoan one's who are known forhow durable they are.
Zoro was underwater and out of breath what do you expect a normal human to do there, grow gills to breathe?, he even low diff the arc main antagonist before he went out of air. Apoo was defeated by zoro, him standing up later doesn't lessen Zoro feat but only hype apoo durability and he didn't need help from apoo to beat him one hit was all he need, drake was left shock with had taken place before him that he was speechless.
I got no qualms with sanji not wanting to beat women, it's when he begged and cried for help that i find pathetic. He could have avoided being captured when he had time to beat the male gifters he should have fled instead of staying there only to be captured. Seeing as many sanjitards claim that he has great coo, some even saying that he has fs, he should have seen the trap beforehand but that never occurs sadly for you who claim so.
Me salty, do you see me making threads downplaying sanji? seems to me like you're looking at a mirror. You must be reading three piece if you consider what you have just uttered facts.
Enma ain't no magic sword, the only gimmick it ha is to forcibly suck the user ryou, what magic is eating a fruit and getting all sorts of ability from it. By your logic the likes of wb, kaido, bm, etc, are pathetic for relying on outside powers huh.
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Ussop's nose has been through dire straits and its obviously shown.. but he doesn't mention it.. in most cases.. that doesn't mean its not broken when its near perpendicular to his face lmao
:risicheck:.. u can actually see king beak visibly bent... and its obvious....

Boi lemme tell u something...
you're going to eat your words soon... if not I'll be much obliged to help you myself

1) You're one of those who call concasser sanji's strongest attack.. even if u disagree ik deep down inside you'd be agreeing.
:ihaha:

2) you lack any understanding of what kind of character sanji is combat wise.. and arsenal wise.. when compared to others..
in a nutshell you have a shallow narrative of what sanji can do with his skills, a shallow understanding of his character and demeanor, and are ignorant or basically oblivious of certain spectacular things sanji has done with his skills so far, because you don't shed equal light on him like you'd do to someone like zoro.. and your bais /prejudice


i mean even you'd agree that you don't know crap about how you're dealing with sanji in the context of strength and character.. this illiteracy is obvious.. and proceeding with this lack of comprehension to even think of judging someone its straight up BS.. plus when it come to logik i always hear this spectrum of people say.. LoGIK No eXist ThiS Is 2 PiECe

:sanjimeh: ..... to prove their prejudice...


Educate yourself son..

no offense but i'm trying to keep me cool with this BS and ignorance..
 
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Ussop's nose has been through dire straits and its obviously shown.. but he doesn't mention it.. in most cases.. that doesn't mean its not broken when its near perpendicular to his face lmao
:risicheck:.. u can actually see king beak visibly bent... and its obvious....

Boi lemme tell u something...
you're going to eat your words soon... if not I'll be much obliged to help you myself

1) You're one of those who call concasser sanji's strongest attack.. even if u disagree ik deep down inside you'd be agreeing.
:ihaha:

2) you lack any understanding of what kind of character sanji is combat wise.. and arsenal wise.. when compared to others..
in a nutshell you have a shallow narrative of what sanji can do with his skills, a shallow understanding of his character and demeanor, and are ignorant or basically oblivious of certain spectacular things sanji has done with his skills so far, because you don't shed equal light on him like you'd do to someone like zoro.. and your bais /prejudice


i mean even you'd agree that you don't know crap about how you're dealing with sanji in the context of strength and character.. this illiteracy is obvious.. and proceeding with this lack of comprehension to even think of judging someone its straight up BS.. plus when it come to logik i always hear this spectrum of people say.. LoGIK No eXist ThiS Is 2 PiECe

:sanjimeh: ..... to prove their prejudice...


Educate yourself son..

no offense but i'm trying to keep me cool with this BS and ignorance..

Yeah, but that's ussop, not king. A commander would have been shock if someone was able to bend their beak , wouldn't they? He didn't show anything that suggest that.

Sorry but I don't even know what that attack look likes. What i do want to know is how he'll beat a commander, what feats haa he shown to suggest he'd be capable of dealing damage to a commander like queen, king is out of the question he's a swordman and Sanji has never fought a swordman stronger than him or equal to him. King will make light works of him.
 
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Yeah, but that's ussop, not king. A commander would have been shock if someone was able to bend their beak , wouldn't they? He didn't show anything that suggest that.

Sorry but I don't even know what that attack look likes. What i do want to know is how he'll beat a commander, what feats haa he shown to suggest he'd be capable of dealing damage to a commander like queen, king is out of the question he's a swordman and Sanji has never fought a swordman stronger than him or equal to him. King will make light works of him.
I knew he's about ti say USSOP is not King..


He's SOGE king.. what u on about..

aren't they characters form the same story.. if thay reality doesn't apply to king then it just straight up inconsistent writing...

Ussops nose breaks easily coz its fragile

King's beak bent coz he got competition and.. he supposedly has a disgraceful beak now

sanji has fought worthy blade users.. that includes Diafuku.. who sliced a whole fleet.. and sanji stopped the same attack but with kuch larger force.. with no hardening visible .

sanji stopped his father's blade which has an initial momentum to it.. even Judge noted that he stopped it just bare legs and ARNAMENT haki..

Soo yea he's pretty dope at that....

sanji and king are close quarter combatant.... there is no such info that confirms that sanj gets his ass whopped by king mid diff... but there is that bent beak fuss between them... even with king's intentions he failed..

well dw when time comes they shall clash..
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I knew he's about ti say USSOP is not King..


He's SOGE king.. what u on about..

aren't they characters form the same story.. if thay reality doesn't apply to king then it just straight up inconsistent writing...

Ussops nose breaks easily coz its fragile

King's beak bent coz he got competition and.. he supposedly has a disgraceful beak now

sanji has fought worthy blade users.. that includes Diafuku.. who sliced a whole fleet.. and sanji stopped the same attack but with kuch larger force.. with no hardening visible .

sanji stopped his father's blade which has an initial momentum to it.. even Judge noted that he stopped it just bare legs and ARNAMENT haki..

Soo yea he's pretty dope at that....

sanji and king are close quarter combatant.... there is no such info that confirms that sanj gets his ass whopped by king mid diff... but there is that bent beak fuss between them... even with king's intentions he failed..

well dw when time comes they shall clash..
the fact that u have someone who stopped shape focused strikes with blunt force should be an admirable thing.
 
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