Speculations Saturn fruit is not based on Ushi-oni by abilities, but it has similarity only in appearence

[Konstantis]

When chapter was released many people believed that Saturn fruit is Ushi-oni nomi, which is not the case. Based on Japanese legends ushi-oni wasn't any sort of special demons, he was just some small but that is dangerous to people but is not really big deal.

While Saturn's Magic Circle or rather it should be called pentagram is based on Western demon myphs and do nothing with Japan.

But overall One Piece world with Marijoice has more connection to Bible, Kuma was even carrying on this book. And there was few demon lords in Bible that could represent Gorosei fruits:

• Lucifer: Pride.
• Mammon(Moloch): Greed.
• Asmodeus: Lust.
• Leviathan: Envy.
• Beelzebub: Gluttony.
• Satan: Wrath.
• Belphegor: Sloth.

Also there are some other demons such as Asterot, Bahemoth, Asmodeus, Berith, Bellial, Baphometh and Mephistopheles.

So In the end some of this demon lords has more iconic name then others.

And from chapter 1085 we learn from Sabo that probably each of Gorosei and Imu are related to Hell and demons.

So theory about fact that Imu could be actually Devil or Satan now have much bigger chance to be true. Satan is standing above all his demon-lords.

In Bible most known, iconic demon lords was: Beelzebub(which is actually just another Satan's name, but let's call him different for now), Baal(Mammon and Moloch), Leviathan and Lucifer.

Now what demon could represent Saturn?

If we talk about bug demon lord the only one that I can remember was Beelzebub, who also called as Lord of the Flies. I believe that based on appearence of some Gorosei we could speculate that only Saturn is demon lord that resemble a bug. Which actually mean that he is Beelzebub, so his power will probably can summon bugs that can poison his enemies? That's hard to say. but this is my vision on last events.

And what yours thoughts about this?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Considering I think Imu has a Leviathan Fruit, this fits well with what I've been speculating.

The Gorosei just feel... beyond normal Zoans, even Mythical ones. Like, this isn't an animal, this is an eldritch abomination.

 

[Paperchampion23]

That makes sense because a demonic summoning circle frankly has little to do with japanese yokai folklore.

My guess is Oda went with Yokai instead of direct biblical demons to avoid controversy, but they could be based some demonic heirarchy. My guess is its not only Imu and Gorosei, but also the God Knights that make up this hierarchy.


The fact that "Seraphim" exist in name to serve as Ultimate Pacifista probably also support this. So my guess is they'll all represent some ideal of a fallen angel. The heirarchy is anyones guess though, theres a million different ways they can be classified

I think its a good guess to say though that between Imu and the Gorosei, they probably represent 6 of the 7 "fallen" angels though (7 sins). The question is, if that is the case, who is the 7th?

 

[Jailer]

Do a quick search on beelzebub and ushi-oni and see which one he resembles the most.

That makes sense because a demonic summoning circle frankly has little to do with japanese yokai folklore.

Could easily be a haki related ability or special ability only Gorosei posses.

 

[Hako Sama]

Based on Japanese legends ushi-oni wasn't any sort of special demons, he was just some small but that is dangerous to people but is not really big deal.

Breath Poison is the Ushi-Oni's ability that I honestly expect Saturn to have.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

That makes sense because a demonic summoning circle frankly has little to do with japanese yokai folklore.

My guess is Oda went with Yokai instead of direct biblical demons to avoid controversy, but they could be based some demonic heirarchy. My guess is its not only Imu and Gorosei, but also the God Knights that make up this hierarchy.


The fact that "Seraphim" exist in name to serve as Ultimate Pacifista probably also support this. So my guess is they'll all represent some ideal of a fallen angel. The heirarchy is anyones guess though, theres a million different ways they can be classified

I think its a good guess to say though that between Imu and the Gorosei, they probably represent 6 of the 7 "fallen" angels though (7 sins). The question is, if that is the case, who is the 7th?

Garling could be the 7th

Especially if he's going to end up becoming a Gorosei in the future

 

[Paperchampion23]

Do a quick search on beelzebub and ushi-oni and see which one he resembles the most.




Could easily be a haki related ability or special ability only Gorosei posses.

Not really talking about "ability". Im just talking about representation on what these characters mean.

The fact that theres really no connection between what this Yokai does and a demonic circle (with a number no less, indicating heirarchy), sort of supports the idea that between God Knights, Gorosei and Imu, it probably goes from a ranking of 19 (since there are 19 kings and its possible God Knights all represent the other 13 save from Imu/Gorosei), going down to 1 (being Imu)

 

[yoyoyotony]

Maybe Asmoday/Asmodeus ?

Demon of mathematics according to Alan Moore (and he knows his demons lol)/ god of science ?

Spider themed but no bull horns...

Just realized Vegapunks are named after sins, Kuma is coming back (with his bible ?)... Fun times ahead.

I can see Oda going for biblical demons/yokais fusions (with some Lovecraft sprinkled on ?) 🤔

Two links if you want to look :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudomonarchia_Daemonum

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_demons_in_the_Ars_Goetia

I have a feeling Oda would go to these sources instead of straight from the Bible... More fun : )

For numbers...
1 (Imu) + 5 (gorosei) + 9 (god's knights) + 19 or 20 (kings) = 34 or 35... No idea lol

 

[Jailer]

Not really talking about "ability". Im just talking about representation on what these characters mean.

The fact that theres really no connection between what this Yokai does and a demonic circle (with a number no less, indicating heirarchy), sort of supports the idea that between God Knights, Gorosei and Imu, it probably goes from a ranking of 19 (since there are 19 kings and its possible God Knights all represent the other 13 save from Imu/Gorosei), going down to 1 (being Imu)

Or 5 as in the 5 elder stars, star shaped symbol, 5 points, 5 elders, the WG flag having 5 points like the 5 elders too.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Or 5 as in the 5 elder stars, star shaped symbol, 5 points, 5 elders, the WG flag having 5 points like the 5 elders too.

Which is true. Im just stating that the circle is very clearly a western demon reference and may involve a hierarchy.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

If the seraphim are angels and the Gorosei are devils then they should kill each other and fuck off of the story.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I think Oda is trying to parallel the Bible and Japanese folklore here.

Saturn could have the Ushi-Oni fruit but can be connected to the prince of Hell.

 

[Konstantis]

If the seraphim are angels and the Gorosei are devils then they should kill each other and fuck off of the story.

That's dark seraph :D
Oda is racist

 

[BattalGazi]

It is probably Tsuchigumo.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

That makes sense because a demonic summoning circle frankly has little to do with japanese yokai folklore.

My guess is Oda went with Yokai instead of direct biblical demons to avoid controversy, but they could be based some demonic heirarchy. My guess is its not only Imu and Gorosei, but also the God Knights that make up this hierarchy.


The fact that "Seraphim" exist in name to serve as Ultimate Pacifista probably also support this. So my guess is they'll all represent some ideal of a fallen angel. The heirarchy is anyones guess though, theres a million different ways they can be classified

I think its a good guess to say though that between Imu and the Gorosei, they probably represent 6 of the 7 "fallen" angels though (7 sins). The question is, if that is the case, who is the 7th?

saturn's form is still unnamed. while im sure its still the ushi-oni or something like that, it COULD be Bael/Baal/Ba'al. Originally associated with bulls, it came to be associated with demonology and started getting portrayed as a man with animal heads on spider legs. if you combine the ancient baal with the demon bael youd get a bull with spider legs

 

[Konstantis]

Do a quick search on beelzebub and ushi-oni and see which one he resembles the most.




Could easily be a haki related ability or special ability only Gorosei posses.

Well there is also Baal so...

 

[comrade]

So theory about fact that Imu could be actually Devil or Satan

He's just one of 20 dudes who got immortality surgery.

 

[MarineHQ]

You guys always cook up such great theories that the actual reveal feels underwhelming but in this case I believe Oda will deliver.

Saturn doesn't look like a normal DF not even mythical zoan.

 

[comrade]

Saturn doesn't look like a normal DF not even mythical zoan

Based on? The black flames are like the ones Lucci and Kaku displayed. Outside of that, nothing is extraordinary about his fruit. It's your typical mythical Zoan and not more special than Nika, the azure Dragon, Buddha or Phoenix.

People will be disappointed when the Gorosei and Imu turn out to be just the same DF users and not the manifestation of Devils or the manifestation of Haki.

 

[MarineHQ]

Based on? The black flames are like the ones Lucci and Kaku displayed. Outside of that, nothing is extraordinary about his fruit. It's your typical mythical Zoan and not more special than Nika, the azure Dragon, Buddha or Phoenix.

People will be disappointed when the Gorosei and Imu turn out to be just the same DF users and not the manifestation of Devils or the manifestation of Haki.

You mean the satanic ritual where they straight summoned this mfer from hell is a regular DF or mythical zoan thing that we've seen before ?

Yeah I would've remembered that shit.