Chapter Discussion ScumBeard 999: Debunking Whitebeard 999 Apologists
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People have really started thinking of pirates as some kind of heroes just because of Luffy, smh. WB didn't want to risk his family for a dead friend and that's it. From his perspective, Oden and his family had already died years ago. The only person who's reaction I didn't quite understand was Izo's. I imagined her to be sad.
This was the stupidest argument you could have given. Didn't you hear WB ever say that all his crewmates are like his sons? If he didn't take any revenge even for his own kid and that too just after his death, do you really think he would go as far as to attack a Yonko's crew because of his friend and his family who died long back. Also, from his point of view, the children weren't orphaned or anything. They died along with their parents. WB isn't a hero who will come to save just the people of Wano with whom he doesn't have any emotional connection with. He isn't fucking Luffy.
I really have no shame in criticizing Oda when he makes some obvious mistakes but from my perspective, it's really not the case here.
Yes, eat children. 
This was the stupidest argument you could have given. Didn't you hear WB ever say that all his crewmates are like his sons? If he didn't take any revenge even for his own kid and that too just after his death, do you really think he would go as far as to attack a Yonko's crew because of his friend and his family who died long back. Also, from his point of view, the children weren't orphaned or anything. They died along with their parents. WB isn't a hero who will come to save just the people of Wano with whom he doesn't have any emotional connection with. He isn't fucking Luffy.
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I really have no shame in criticizing Oda when he makes some obvious mistakes but from my perspective, it's really not the case here.
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i can start with one angle to debunk this:
if roger went to wb and specifically said to not intervere, this whole argument is just, done.
another angle:
"but but what about the children"
last time i read one piece the whole family had a tomb. might be an argument of why wb didnt come.
"but time time fruit"
last time i checked wb thought toki was bullshiting. even the scabbards thought so until the very last moment.
if roger went to wb and specifically said to not intervere, this whole argument is just, done.
another angle:
"but but what about the children"
last time i read one piece the whole family had a tomb. might be an argument of why wb didnt come.
"but time time fruit"
last time i checked wb thought toki was bullshiting. even the scabbards thought so until the very last moment.
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Well to be fair den den's point are pretty much valid . Whitebeard Pirates were portrayed as white knights for the people who were oppressed .
Fishman Island was prime example , However even i was pissed off with how Oda used WB for his plot point but i remember Roger had convo with Whitebeard regarding one piece and will of D .
I think his actions stopping Ace from declaring war on beast pirates makes sense in a way Whitebeard was probably waiting for the time to arrive unless he had confidential info with his convo he had with Gold Roger .
This is my only guess he was waiting for the day to arrive when Joyboy descent open border of wano hence that Marineford announcement makes sense .
Remember Whitebeard said to BB he is not the one Roger was waiting for ? My only guess is Whitebeard was on look out for Roger's successor who will take his mantle . One was Blackbeard and Ace obviously , given Ace was Roger's son WB naturally did feel Ace will need to wait for his time to come if he wants to take down kaido and open Wano's border .
However i am not sure why Izo and Marco hardly bothered when Oden died its like they lost all the love and attachment they had for oden ? Given Marco probably has no idea about all this i am not sure why he didnt do anything given this story is about Luffy , Oda decided it doesnt really matter what Whitebeard really thought about oden and they are not main cast of the story .
what do you expect they are pirates lol . If it was Marines or Gorosei then they would have put toki under arrest for the time devil druit .
Fishman Island was prime example , However even i was pissed off with how Oda used WB for his plot point but i remember Roger had convo with Whitebeard regarding one piece and will of D .
I think his actions stopping Ace from declaring war on beast pirates makes sense in a way Whitebeard was probably waiting for the time to arrive unless he had confidential info with his convo he had with Gold Roger .
This is my only guess he was waiting for the day to arrive when Joyboy descent open border of wano hence that Marineford announcement makes sense .
Remember Whitebeard said to BB he is not the one Roger was waiting for ? My only guess is Whitebeard was on look out for Roger's successor who will take his mantle . One was Blackbeard and Ace obviously , given Ace was Roger's son WB naturally did feel Ace will need to wait for his time to come if he wants to take down kaido and open Wano's border .
However i am not sure why Izo and Marco hardly bothered when Oden died its like they lost all the love and attachment they had for oden ? Given Marco probably has no idea about all this i am not sure why he didnt do anything given this story is about Luffy , Oda decided it doesnt really matter what Whitebeard really thought about oden and they are not main cast of the story .
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what do you expect they are pirates lol . If it was Marines or Gorosei then they would have put toki under arrest for the time devil druit .
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This rather makes sense wish there was more extension and reaction about wano's situation and how kaido's ruined the country .
Its hard to think yonkos dont keep tab on each other given big mom had excellent intel on Sanji brief stay in Kambakka .
Hmm however its oddwhitebeard has shown no reaction on oden's death or fate of kozuki clan during kaido's regime.
It all seems like plot kai basically for MC to rescue the day. I keep reminding myself WB pirates are not main cast so it doesnt matter what they did for 20 years.
Its hard to think yonkos dont keep tab on each other given big mom had excellent intel on Sanji brief stay in Kambakka .
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Hmm however its oddwhitebeard has shown no reaction on oden's death or fate of kozuki clan during kaido's regime.
It all seems like plot kai basically for MC to rescue the day. I keep reminding myself WB pirates are not main cast so it doesnt matter what they did for 20 years.
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I think an overlooked aspect of Whitebeard's character is his relation with Roger, who revealed to him the significance of the "D" word, wanted to talk to him about the location of the One Piece, knew Ace was Roger's son, the one Roger wanted to find the One Piece, was considered as the closest to one piece after Roger died
Why I bring this point? It's because I believe that after Roger died, Whitebeard worked for creating a balance in the One Piece world controlled by the World government until meeting Roger's successor, who he believed to be Ace
And I think that in Whitebeard's head, Ace's life was more significant because they were waiting for the one, who after finding the one piece and finding out the secrets of the Void century, would challenge the world government and free the world of their tyranny, basically his final speech in MF
In Oden's flashback, he always talked about how no country was free(except Wano at the time) due to World Government reign, and thus this was the reason imo that Whitebeard was ready to challenge the world to save Ace's life especially since his days were already numbered due to his sickness
In Ode's case however, not only he was already dead, but it's been mentioned that they only knew it years later, when exactly is unknown, but it's possible that they only knew it when Whitebeard was already past his prime, weakened by sickness, and thus Whitebeard priviledging the final mission of the guardian of One Piece(closest to one piece), grooming Roger's successor, as the one not only to take revenge on Wano, but saving the entire world at the same time, rather than going blindly for a single revenge years later, where even while succeeding could put his future aims at risks
Basically I think Whitebeard simply might have had some time inconvenience, might have looked at the bigger picture of guarding and saving the entire world through Roger's successor than wasting an opportunity for saving a single nation for the sake of revenge
Waiting for the viz translation, but I think it's probably the way Oda envisioned it
Why I bring this point? It's because I believe that after Roger died, Whitebeard worked for creating a balance in the One Piece world controlled by the World government until meeting Roger's successor, who he believed to be Ace
And I think that in Whitebeard's head, Ace's life was more significant because they were waiting for the one, who after finding the one piece and finding out the secrets of the Void century, would challenge the world government and free the world of their tyranny, basically his final speech in MF
In Oden's flashback, he always talked about how no country was free(except Wano at the time) due to World Government reign, and thus this was the reason imo that Whitebeard was ready to challenge the world to save Ace's life especially since his days were already numbered due to his sickness
In Ode's case however, not only he was already dead, but it's been mentioned that they only knew it years later, when exactly is unknown, but it's possible that they only knew it when Whitebeard was already past his prime, weakened by sickness, and thus Whitebeard priviledging the final mission of the guardian of One Piece(closest to one piece), grooming Roger's successor, as the one not only to take revenge on Wano, but saving the entire world at the same time, rather than going blindly for a single revenge years later, where even while succeeding could put his future aims at risks
Basically I think Whitebeard simply might have had some time inconvenience, might have looked at the bigger picture of guarding and saving the entire world through Roger's successor than wasting an opportunity for saving a single nation for the sake of revenge
Waiting for the viz translation, but I think it's probably the way Oda envisioned it
Well there isn't really a good outcome for WB's character is there. Either he's always been a coward or he's morally inconsistent. The fact that WB didn't attempt to avenge his brethren is the crux of the issue for me. Much less than the why.
Meanwhile, Luffy and co marching in with much less firepower and likely zero casualties. Law started the war way back in Punk Hazard with only himself and Bepo. Kid invaded multiple Yonkou territories and got his arm amputated. Rarely does anyone mention the risks involved.
Meanwhile, Luffy and co marching in with much less firepower and likely zero casualties. Law started the war way back in Punk Hazard with only himself and Bepo. Kid invaded multiple Yonkou territories and got his arm amputated. Rarely does anyone mention the risks involved.
Your entire argument hinges on the fact that WB only knows of Odens death and no other information about the scabbard or the Kozukis reached him. What would be the point in liberating Wano, a country which he had no more ties to, at risk of losing most of his crew.
The ace panel is used out of context Whitebeard was already coming to marineford.
The ace panel is used out of context Whitebeard was already coming to marineford.
