Questions & Mysteries Seriously, what did Oda do for Sanji vs Queen??

#41
Zoro vs King wasn't exceptional but it was a fight. Sanji vs Queen was a long dialogue between two character interrupted any now and then by a lame attack from one of the characters involved. And the final attack was a sneak attack :nicagesmile:
Worst fight in Wano by a long margin.

IJ is an awful power up, blue flames in a black and white manga aren't enough. He should have melted the left horn of the skull while kicking Queen to look decently effective.
 
#43
He won because of the exoskeleton that he had no control or say over. It’s not his own power.

Without the exoskeleton he can’t use IJ and he can’t survive Brachiosnake/gets even more injured by Queen’s Germa attacks.
He was born with the Exo tho. It was given to him at birth and the RS unlocked it for him. So it is his power.

He should have had his Exoskeleton and Vinsmoke powers since the time he was a child.

Exoskeleton and Vinsmoke powers coming to Sanji because of the RS is no different than Enma helping Zoro unlock and control CoC.
 
#49
Very good fight. Espicially , even though there are character infalation on onigashima , oda is written very clear character devolopment for sanji.

He did not chase robin or nami during onigashima.
WCI Sanji dont want to help anybody . He tried to solve everything on his way. But Sanji can trust and help anymore.
When luffy fall from onigashima , before the momo declaration , sanji never give up and keep moving .
Sanji got Queen , protect zoro .
Then Oda started to mix sanjis feeling by awakening sanjis gene.
Sanji struggled but he realized that just he can decide who he is.
Then he accept his identity and he took down queen very easily.

This is the sanjis determination story.

As i said before , there is character inflation in onigashima. Any fight cannot be satisfied. But sanji and queen matchup started king vs zoro matchup like 5 10 chapter ago. different thing.
 
#51
Queen drama of proving himself over Judge tech was kinda good at the beggining but when it started to make him dumb for it... all became a circus.
 
#53
I really can't understand what went through Oda's head when he wrote this fight. It's not the duration that bothered me but the progress. Zoro vs King is a very good well choreographed fight that showcased the 2 seconds and it didn't bother me personally that it didn't last very long.

For Sanji vs Queen on the other hand I'm sorry but there was little content and I really have a hard time telling myself that it was Oda who wrote this fight when I compare with Sanji vs Mr. 2 and Sanji vs Jyabura which were very high quality. Sanji vs Queen lasted 3 and a half chapters and yet we have very little content in this fight, we have downright 1 whole chapter where Sanji is just running, especially since Queen who loses by not launching an ultimate attack, it's anything and doesn't show off Sanji. Sanji vs Jyabura lasted 1 and a half chapters and yet there is more content in this fight than in the whole Sanji vs Queen and that's not normal!

It's been 10 years since we waited for Sanji to have a real showdown against a powerful opponent, what got into you Oda??
Sanji is a gag character and his fights are gag fights. You just shouldn't expect Sanji fights to have the same amount of hype/badassery/coreography/tension as Luffy and Zoro fights. They never had. Mr 2 and Jyabura fights were also full of gags untill Sanji just decided to oneshot them.
 
#54
Sanji is a gag character and his fights are gag fights. You just shouldn't expect Sanji fights to have the same amount of hype/badassery/coreography/tension as Luffy and Zoro fights. They never had. Mr 2 and Jyabura fights were also full of gags untill Sanji just decided to oneshot them.
No, he had a hard time against Bon Clay even fighting seriously and there, we felt the difficulty for Sanji and here, that was an absolutely great choreography fight! Something I didn't feel for Queen, he's not good at keeping his attention on his opponent and preferred to hit a geisha and just tanked for 80% of the fight...
 
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#56
zoro vs king was ass. I dont even remember half the fight. pull your hesd out of your ass. Sanji vs queen was better even though it was not that good either tbh.
 
#57
Queen was disappointing he was a cyborg/zoan/mad scientist that makes crazy viruses but he didn't used any viruses against sanji/himself, used his snake form once, no awakening,only basic German abilities at the end, very underwhelming boring cyborg abilities/attacks except for the snake, he had so much potential for us to see some awesome crazy shit but 90% of the fight were just lazers.
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He did not chase robin or nami during onigashima
But he did ran off too peek on brothel and left nami to go find other women and let's not he got captured by a simple trap, yeah sanji look so good not chasing after robin and nami
:whitepress:
trust and help anymore.
When luffy fall from onigashima , before the momo declaration , sanji never give up and keep moving .
This is nothing new from sanji he has never had a problem of giving up on luffy in a fight.
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Now after the fight, I believe even more strongly that sanji should've turned into a heartless solider but returns back to his normal self while fighting queen.
 
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#58
Hold your horse bro, the animation will show you how epic Sanji vs Queen will be . Especially Sanji ifrit jambe effect. Even carrot got some additional scene with perospero which is not included in manga .

:stealthblack:
We are going to see some top tier animation when Sanji starts running
 
#60
For Sanji's character, it was a good fight. We got to see Sanji overcome Germa in the form of Queen using all their tech, including Stealth Black, and Sanji gave up his raid Suit to maintain the emotions he cares so much for. Great scene. Plus Ifrit Jambe was a cool power-up that made sense and ended with a big enough finish of Sanji sending Queen flying off the island. Him disappearing and showing he doesn't need Stealth Black for that was also great.

The choreography could've been much better,. I'll admit, I expected more, especially considering Sanji vs Mr 2 and Sanji v Jyabura were great in that regard. Queen could've been better also, he kinda clowned around too often and the gags weren't as funny as I'd expect. His cyborg thing was pretty cool and the Germa stuff ended up seeming like a bit much but atleast made him more versatile, shame he didn't bust out more plagues. My main gripes were the panels cutting away from the action and repetition of Sanji landing a big attack then Queen getting up and stuff like that.

Still a pretty good fight. I enjoyed it greatly and I hope Sanji's fights in the arcs to come are even better. Sanji saving the mouse mid-fight was a nice addition too given his childhood and the mice he used to feed. Overall, great and necessary for Sanji from a character standpoint (especially him acknowledging he can't reverse the modifications but can choose to stop them from going any further at the expense will the suit) and was pretty nice from a fighting one though was underwhelming in some aspects.
 
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