General & Others Shamrock returns? Luffy’s main fight
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- Eh idk it depends how much power Imu can use through controlling Gunko. Even he might be a bit more limited compared to when taking over the gorosei
- Simple answer being he’s too strong/competent so he needed a reason for him to temporarily be gone until he’s needed again
- Why not… He has the ability to and might need to
Imu-Saturn did not fight 2 Ancient DF users and at this point its pretty clear that for whatever reason he cannot leave Mariejoa
Coming to Elbaph would invalidate the WG entirely as endgame villains and the core issue of removing the WG from there in the first place. Hes also not taking Elbaph either lol
Coming to Elbaph would invalidate the WG entirely as endgame villains and the core issue of removing the WG from there in the first place. Hes also not taking Elbaph either lol
No, Oda didn´t include an Imu vessle on God Valley for no reason in the arcs flashback, it was to show how strong Imu was, the current arc villain. There´s no reason to assume Gunkimu is somehow like, tiers weaker. It´s pretty much intended to be the same thing. Don´t be dumb, Gunkimu would win without too much trouble if Loki wasn´t on Elbaf.
This makes no sense. There´s really nothing in the arc that Shamrocks mere presence would make impossible, Oda pretty clearly just wrote him out of the arc that he was only intro´d in for Shanks lore reasons.
Because,
Loki and Luffy are obviously set up to fight Imu
and Imu being introduced in the arc right before the flashback is obviously the end of new antagonists arriving into the plot. Once the arc villain arrives and is ready to fight, other characters don´t get focused on. You´ve read the manga enough to have the discussion, the basics shouldn´t really be lost here.
This makes no sense. There´s really nothing in the arc that Shamrocks mere presence would make impossible, Oda pretty clearly just wrote him out of the arc that he was only intro´d in for Shanks lore reasons.
Because,
Loki and Luffy are obviously set up to fight Imu
and Imu being introduced in the arc right before the flashback is obviously the end of new antagonists arriving into the plot. Once the arc villain arrives and is ready to fight, other characters don´t get focused on. You´ve read the manga enough to have the discussion, the basics shouldn´t really be lost here.
I see nothing implying in the GV flashback that states he is weaker than any of them then. Roger does not become PK for another 15 years. None of them are in their prime on GV save for probably Rocks given it was considered his Era until he dies.
So then we are getting a repeat of Egghead? Lol. We know he isnt losing, yes.
You can see why I dislike either option of Imu getting kicked out for X reason. It makes the villain look bad and it does nothing to service the growth of the crew. It also doesnt seemingly resolve any major issue for the 2nd arc in a row. I get that these arcs are buildup for WG members, but its not good when Oda doesnt actually resolve something. I actually dislike Imu being here at all, because it can only end with him being essentially embarrassed by some level of loss.
This should have been a GK arc full stop, as it was initially made out to be. The Figarlands are heavily tied to everything happening in the arc so its confusing to me why Oda has decided to not include any of them in it now. Again that can change in a heartbeat, but as I said the damage is already done with Imu because he wont take over Elbaph and we all know it.
So then we are getting a repeat of Egghead? Lol. We know he isnt losing, yes.
You can see why I dislike either option of Imu getting kicked out for X reason. It makes the villain look bad and it does nothing to service the growth of the crew. It also doesnt seemingly resolve any major issue for the 2nd arc in a row. I get that these arcs are buildup for WG members, but its not good when Oda doesnt actually resolve something. I actually dislike Imu being here at all, because it can only end with him being essentially embarrassed by some level of loss.
This should have been a GK arc full stop, as it was initially made out to be. The Figarlands are heavily tied to everything happening in the arc so its confusing to me why Oda has decided to not include any of them in it now. Again that can change in a heartbeat, but as I said the damage is already done with Imu because he wont take over Elbaph and we all know it.
This is absolutely not happening because it goes against the very idea of why you need One Piece and the Ancient Weapons to stop the WG, at a certain time as fate dictates.
Imu is immortal. The very idea of his immortality needs to be countered first. In order for Blackbeard to get powers, the user needs to die, as we've seen with Teach and how they steal DF powers.
So as you can see it makes no sense that Teach can do anything to Imu before any of this happens.
Imu is immortal. The very idea of his immortality needs to be countered first. In order for Blackbeard to get powers, the user needs to die, as we've seen with Teach and how they steal DF powers.
So as you can see it makes no sense that Teach can do anything to Imu before any of this happens.
Roger was age 40 and had already reached lodestore before GV fight. He had toughest fight of his life in GV. Roger only was lacking a translator is all which he got years later thanks to oden.
Yes it will be a repeat of egghead but with imu lmfao.
I don't see what is there to dislike. This whole FB showed the 2 DFs are needed to beat/overthrow imu and one of them is loki's DF which will now come at play against imu here. It is obvious built up and pay off. It was too early for gorosei to be beaten and same is the case of imu and imu has not been hurt in ages so both loki and luffy can give a perma scar type of an attack to imu here. Unless you think shamrock will come back and lose here? If that is what you think imo you are lost. It is too early for shamrock to get beaten.
Yes it will be a repeat of egghead but with imu lmfao.
I don't see what is there to dislike. This whole FB showed the 2 DFs are needed to beat/overthrow imu and one of them is loki's DF which will now come at play against imu here. It is obvious built up and pay off. It was too early for gorosei to be beaten and same is the case of imu and imu has not been hurt in ages so both loki and luffy can give a perma scar type of an attack to imu here. Unless you think shamrock will come back and lose here? If that is what you think imo you are lost. It is too early for shamrock to get beaten.
Too early for Shamrock to lose but good enough for Imu to get perma scarred and embarrassed before serving as FV?
Shamrock didnt exist up until 40 chapters ago, and he was barely a theory before that lol.
As I said, Im a pessimist. I dont expect shit. But Shamrock not being here to serve a personal, emotional foil for Luffy and to surpass Shanks without needing to fight him directly is infinitely worse than whatever the fuck has been happening the last 20 chapters present time.
Ill never understand why people dont want a servicable villain to last ~100 chapters in one arc and instead proceed to be shoehorned into the endgame like everyone else.
Shamrock didnt exist up until 40 chapters ago, and he was barely a theory before that lol.
As I said, Im a pessimist. I dont expect shit. But Shamrock not being here to serve a personal, emotional foil for Luffy and to surpass Shanks without needing to fight him directly is infinitely worse than whatever the fuck has been happening the last 20 chapters present time.
Ill never understand why people dont want a servicable villain to last ~100 chapters in one arc and instead proceed to be shoehorned into the endgame like everyone else.
So are you lol. You guys dont realize that the more endgame villains Oda doesnt resolve (lets say Shamrock, Blackbeard, Akainu, Imu at least), the less time he can dedicate to any of them come the final war/arc right?
Manga chapters are finite. Panel space is finite. Oda releases less pages per chapter and less chapters per year than ever before. Its like him not resolving Kizaru in Egghead and giving him the limelight. Now its heavily likely he gets a few pages to a chapter of conflict before he's resolved by someone else thats not Luffy.
The same point I make about the above characters. The more we spend on NOT resolving villains 90% through the story, the more time Oda has to share with said villains at the end of the story.
So yes, Id much rather have had Shamrock and ~7 HKs be Elbaph's arc presense and lose in 80-100 chapters of focus, to which now he'll absolutely get less of it later on because he has to share with Blackbeard and probably Sakazuki.
Manga chapters are finite. Panel space is finite. Oda releases less pages per chapter and less chapters per year than ever before. Its like him not resolving Kizaru in Egghead and giving him the limelight. Now its heavily likely he gets a few pages to a chapter of conflict before he's resolved by someone else thats not Luffy.
The same point I make about the above characters. The more we spend on NOT resolving villains 90% through the story, the more time Oda has to share with said villains at the end of the story.
So yes, Id much rather have had Shamrock and ~7 HKs be Elbaph's arc presense and lose in 80-100 chapters of focus, to which now he'll absolutely get less of it later on because he has to share with Blackbeard and probably Sakazuki.