General & Others Shamrock returns? Luffy’s main fight

#42
No, Oda didn´t include an Imu vessle on God Valley for no reason in the arcs flashback, it was to show how strong Imu was, the current arc villain. There´s no reason to assume Gunkimu is somehow like, tiers weaker. It´s pretty much intended to be the same thing. Don´t be dumb, Gunkimu would win without too much trouble if Loki wasn´t on Elbaf.


This makes no sense. There´s really nothing in the arc that Shamrocks mere presence would make impossible, Oda pretty clearly just wrote him out of the arc that he was only intro´d in for Shanks lore reasons.


Because,
Loki and Luffy are obviously set up to fight Imu
and Imu being introduced in the arc right before the flashback is obviously the end of new antagonists arriving into the plot. Once the arc villain arrives and is ready to fight, other characters don´t get focused on. You´ve read the manga enough to have the discussion, the basics shouldn´t really be lost here.
The transformations are obviously pretty different and we know different contracts allow different levels of control for Imu. Which then might imply different levels of strength he’s capable of in each body. Imu pretty much summoned his own self through Saturn while he’s only taking over Gunko’s body



Having a whole other god knight on the island is extremely dangerous especially when in shamrock’s case he’s more likely to go for the kill than just capture the crew. He also just could have killed jarul himself

Again we don’t know how strong Imu Gunko is and whether he can handle Luffy and Loki at the same time
 
#47
The transformations are obviously pretty different and we know different contracts allow different levels of control for Imu. Which then might imply different levels of strength he’s capable of in each body. Imu pretty much summoned his own self through Saturn while he’s only taking over Gunko’s body

nah, the fact that Imu can control Gunko in specific means she doesn´t have the same seal as the rest of the Gods Knights, who Imu hasn´t possesed, nor do they seem able to(Harald)

That image doesn´t change anything, since:
Imu can look like normal saturn while having him possesed if he wants

Saturn is a zoan, Gunko is a paramecia

There´s no reason nor indication that one is weaker than the other, let alone significantly enough to go from stronger than the GV 6, to weaker than Luffy alone. If Gunkimu is weaker, it´s only so it would be even remotely feesable that Loki and Luffy can win if they work together.

Having a whole other god knight on the island is extremely dangerous especially when in shamrock’s case he’s more likely to go for the kill than just capture the crew. He also just could have killed jarul himself
Nah, Shamrock didn´t even confirm his murder attempt on Loki, and everyone has been following his plan until now, of capturing the children. It would have pretty much gone the exact same.


Again we don’t know how strong Imu Gunko is and whether he can handle Luffy and Loki at the same time
This is just dumb. Imu scales to what he´s previously done. The fact that he´s using vessels isn´t even a canon nerf, you´re just headcanoning yourself x2.

Just use common sense here.
The strawhats beyond Luffy will not be able to harm Imu, since they lack any special fruit(which is what the entire plan to take Imu down was based on, per the flashback)
Loki and Imu are obviously going to fight after all the buildup, and Luffy isn´t soloing Imu when he hasn´t solo´d anyone since Don Chinajo
 
#48
The Harley text specifically says he was killed lol. People call Luffy Nika directly.

We have clear indication that these God fruits arise from beings that have died already and are reborn as fruits, manifested from desire.
I don't know how it works but that's my opinion

Emeth confirmed Luffy isn't Joyboy though
 
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