Character Discussion Shamrock's existence has shattered the exaggerated potential of Saint Shanks' character and power ceiling

Sugoi

Sugoi

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Saint Shanks being a "Saint Rat" was the only interesting aspect about an otherwise poorly written, generic gary stu with zero depth. With Shamrock taking that away, the ideas of Saint Shanks being some kind of "secret final villain" or serving any significant antagonistic role have been flushed down the toilet. Even Saint Shanks fans themselves started to realise how flat the character was, which is why they are the ones that have been pushing all these outlandish Saint Shanks antagonist theories. They wanted to put him in the big boy final antagonist group. They deluded themselves in to thinking Saint Shanks was some kind of complex, nuanced, mysterious 200IQ character who controlling the whole one piece world. Saint Shanks purpose is to simply be "cool" and give children and pea brain adults a hit of dopamine when they see nice guy win against not nice guy. He was never going to be anything more than that.

Not only is Saint Shanks character affected, so has his potential power ceiling. Saint Shanks is not getting that endgame antagonist boost. He will be taken out before the endgame begins to pave the way for the true endgame players. The "good guy" that will be scaled to the endgame villains is Dragon, not Saint Shanks. Oda's recent glazing of Saint Shanks along with the movie is an indicator of his impending downfall. Now Oda just needs to get his celestial backstory out through shamrock/garling lore. When that's out, Saint Shanks will be dispatched once oda decides to move the story forwards.
 
Red Admiral

Red Admiral

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Sugoi said:
Saint Shanks being a "Saint Rat" was the only interesting aspect about an otherwise poorly written, generic gary stu with zero depth. With Shamrock taking that away, the ideas of Saint Shanks being some kind of "secret final villain" or serving any significant antagonistic role have been flushed down the toilet. Even Saint Shanks fans themselves started to realise how flat the character was, which is why they are the ones that have been pushing all these outlandish Saint Shanks antagonist theories. They wanted to put him in the big boy final antagonist group. They deluded themselves in to thinking Saint Shanks was some kind of complex, nuanced, mysterious 200IQ character who controlling the whole one piece world. Saint Shanks purpose is to simply be "cool" and give children and pea brain adults a hit of dopamine when they see nice guy win against not nice guy. He was never going to be anything more than that.

Not only is Saint Shanks character affected, so has his potential power ceiling. Saint Shanks is not getting that endgame antagonist boost. He will be taken out before the endgame begins to pave the way for the true endgame players. The "good guy" that will be scaled to the endgame villains is Dragon, not Saint Shanks. Oda's recent glazing of Saint Shanks along with the movie is an indicator of his impending downfall. Now Oda just needs to get his celestial backstory out through shamrock/garling lore. When that's out, Saint Shanks will be dispatched once oda decides to move the story forwards.
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this reminds me of "kidd can beat Saint Shanks" thread you made the other day

you never learn ...
 
nik87

nik87

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The problem with Saint Shanks is that he is Oda's generic embodiment of pirate greatness and the inclusion of Garling and Shamrock makes it all worse in a sense that there are too many copies of this character.
Rocks, Roger, Rayleigh, Garling, Shamrock and Saint Shanks are all one and the exact same character - Oda's ideal great pirate.

The good thing for Saint Shanks that comes out of this is that he is the most important copy among them all.
Just like every swordsman(any powerhouse) just further lifts Mihawk, these copies of Saint Shanks only further lift Saint Shanks himself.

Other than oversaturating the manga with Saint Shanks copies, inclusion of Garling and Shamrock serves a specific purpose.
One of them will be the main fight of Saint Shanks in the manga where his main background gets fleshed out.
The other one will serve the purpose of defeating Saint Shanks by people who wont get to defeat Saint Shanks himself.

I said it countless times, Saint Shanks will never end up fighting Luffy, for more reasons than one.
Shamrock exists to get beaten by Strawhats, either Zoro or Luffy because Oda will not do that to Saint Shanks himself.
Saint Shanks' fate is to get beaten by Blackbeard so beating him with someone else would destroy his hype before it is time.
 
stairs-kun

stairs-kun

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nik87 said:
The problem with Saint Shanks is that he is Oda's generic embodiment of pirate greatness and the inclusion of Garling and Shamrock makes it all worse in a sense that there are too many copies of this character.
Rocks, Roger, Rayleigh, Garling, Shamrock and Saint Shanks are all one and the exact same character - Oda's ideal great pirate.

The good thing for Saint Shanks that comes out of this is that he is the most important copy among them all.
Just like every swordsman(any powerhouse) just further lifts Mihawk, these copies of Saint Shanks only further lift Saint Shanks himself.

Other than oversaturating the manga with Saint Shanks copies, inclusion of Garling and Shamrock serves a specific purpose.
One of them will be the main fight of Saint Shanks in the manga where his main background gets fleshed out.
The other one will serve the purpose of defeating Saint Shanks by people who wont get to defeat Saint Shanks himself.

I said it countless times, Saint Shanks will never end up fighting Luffy, for more reasons than one.
Shamrock exists to get beaten by Strawhats, either Zoro or Luffy because Oda will not do that to Saint Shanks himself.
Saint Shanks' fate is to get beaten by Blackbeard so beating him with someone else would destroy his hype before it is time.
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Nik-kun with such intelligence :myman:
 
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