Controversial Shanks encounter with Kidd did nothing positive for the story?

[Ven437]

Law is lightyears ahead of craptain useless midd.

I tried to defend Kidd by virtue of his portrayal alongside Law. But Oda wouldn’t allow it for some reason and chose to clown him, downplay his AP by having BM shrug off the railgun, overplay Law’s abilities, no Haki feats, etc etc

Oda definitely has some bizarre writing for Kidd. Wants him to be a new gen worth 3 billion berries but refuses to make him look good as far as actual substance goes. At least BM was able to clash with Kaido for 3 days/nights and had ACoC portrayal (which many at the time refused to believe she had until she showed it next chapter after it was introduced lol)

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Funniest thing about this is how Shanks made sure Kidd “was healed” after his fight as to not contradict himself after what he said to Greenbull, then proceeded to sneak attack him murder his crew and decimate his ship leaving him to the sharks

Shanks did not sneak anyone

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I tried to defend Kidd by virtue of his portrayal alongside Law. But Oda wouldn’t allow it for some reason and chose to clown him, downplay his AP by having BM shrug off the railgun, overplay Law’s abilities, no Haki feats, etc etc

You can argue Law is stronger

But at the end of the day he wasn’t able to beat BM either. BM ate PW and would have won if not for Kid pushing her to the bombs.

Law also lost to Teach and while he did clash with him at the beginning, there’s zero evidence he could hold his own against a serious Teach, as opposed to the goofy half assed shit we saw from him at the beginning of the fight.

Basically the differences in portrayal are largely superficial. Sure, Law is stronger than Kid. But he’s not strong enough to where he could match BM 1v1 or actually KO her. He’s not strong enough to protect his ship from being destroyed or probably losing his poneglyphs.

tbh the gap between Zoro and Sanji is portrayed to be larger. Zoro actually gets unique portrayal Sanji doesn’t. He fights on the roof and scars Kaido, while Sanji just got to fight Queen. Law just did everything Kid does but slightly better.

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

This is exactly it ^
Excellent analogy too, you nailed it !
After Kaido, you'd think Kid would have learned his lesson...he didn't and deserved everything! and even then he still got ''spared'' the humiliation of watching his crew get decimated before he fell, it would have been an even better ending for this shitty character.
Unfortunately he will come back even more arrogant and shittier than ever...we have a precedent with Luffy...

what lesson

 

[Ven437]

You can argue Law is stronger

But at the end of the day he wasn’t able to beat BM either. BM ate PW and would have won if not for Kid pushing her to the bombs.

Law also lost to Teach and while he did clash with him at the beginning, there’s zero evidence he could hold his own against a serious Teach, as opposed to the goofy half assed shit we saw from him at the beginning of the fight.

Basically the differences in portrayal are largely superficial. Sure, Law is stronger than Kid. But he’s not strong enough to where he could match BM 1v1 or actually KO her. He’s not strong enough to protect his ship from being destroyed or probably losing his poneglyphs.

tbh the gap between Zoro and Sanji is portrayed to be larger. Zoro actually gets unique portrayal Sanji doesn’t. He fights on the roof and scars Kaido, while Sanji just got to fight Queen. Law just did everything Kid does but slightly better.

I have Kidd at the bottom of low top tier in my books. I just don’t defend Kidd that much because of Oda’s bizarre writing for him.

Law didn’t just do things “slightly” better, he did things FAR better. He uses his fruit far more creatively and efficiently than Kidd. He has good Haki feats while Kidd has none, only CoC mention by Kaido. He has the backstory on chapters and D lore importance while Kidd is an SBS afterthought. He only “lost” while Kidd got “destroyed.”

Oda favors Law so much more it’s not even funny.

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

the government was trying to kill luffy since he first made himself known as a major threat in alabasta. its strongly implied rob lucci was specifically given orders to kill luffy.

in chapter 382 they already accomplished their mission and captured franky and robin, but Lucci holds them back and says "regardless of who is in charge of this unit, we're loyal to the world government" and when spandam asks him what he wants, he says "blood, when we're here, murder is justified."

later, in chapter 404, cp9 is being tailed by chimney and her cat. Spandam asks why Rob Lucci didn't eliminate them, and Lucci says that he only kills who he's been ordered to. Considering he tries to kill Luffy and targets him specifically in this arc, this strongly suggests Rob Lucci was ordered to kill Luffy.

also Kuma specifically offered to help Moria take down Luffy.
"If you think you might need my help, you need only ask." - Kuma.
"Are you telling me the Government is so scared they want to throw two of the seven Warlords at him?" - Moria.
"Before the incident at Enies Lobby, no one thought Rob Lucci could lose." - Kuma

so to me this means Rob Lucci was clearly ordered to kill Luffy, and so were Moria and Kuma.

lol lucci and the others were told not to engage with the straw hats until they were given the order. they are yonkos now

 

[AverageNamiEnjoyer]

It was used to show Blackbeard and Shanks are true rivals of Luffy
Shanks also got ponegylphs

 

[Dragon777]

You can argue Law is stronger

But at the end of the day he wasn’t able to beat BM either. BM ate PW and would have won if not for Kid pushing her to the bombs.

Law also lost to Teach and while he did clash with him at the beginning, there’s zero evidence he could hold his own against a serious Teach, as opposed to the goofy half assed shit we saw from him at the beginning of the fight.

Basically the differences in portrayal are largely superficial. Sure, Law is stronger than Kid. But he’s not strong enough to where he could match BM 1v1 or actually KO her. He’s not strong enough to protect his ship from being destroyed or probably losing his poneglyphs.

tbh the gap between Zoro and Sanji is portrayed to be larger. Zoro actually gets unique portrayal Sanji doesn’t. He fights on the roof and scars Kaido, while Sanji just got to fight Queen. Law just did everything Kid does but slightly better.

Law and Kidd barely managed to beat a slightly weaker emperor in 2vs1, It was already clear they didn't have a chance in 1vs1. Unless they unlocked AdvCoC or something along those lines of course.

Having said that, Law had a vastly better portrayal. On Onigashima BM was only concerned about Law's attacks, PW was incredibly better than the rail gun, Law vs BB was leagues above Kidd vs Shanks.

And that Is not even speaking about the narrative, because narratively Law was leaps and bounds above Kidd since when he alone actually went to MF and even saved the protagonist. Then came PH-DR, a saga centered on Law, the Ope Open related to the big plot with the immortality surgety, the D., etc.

 

[LemonadeCandy]

Think the problem is more so that Kid was never a very compelling character in the first place. He wasn't given the focus and achievements necessary to feel like a somewhat decent rival to Luffy despite that dynamic being forced all throughout the series since his introduction and being the only thing he really has going for him.

His defeat kinda fell flat when the only thing we had seen the character rack up until then were failures with his only victory being thanks to quietly following along the Straw Hats and the alliances they were at the center of. On top of that he was made to look dumb and incompetent by choosing to engage an emperor head on on a whim right after experiencing first hand all it took to win in Wano.

In any case, there was no way Shanks was losing there. He is a major character that has yet to really make his move in the story and that is still having some plot threads set up around him (Gorosei and stuff).

 

[MonochromeYoru]

It got rid of Midd taking up space

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Shanks defeating Kid made perfect since, there is no problem with that. It served 2 purpose. Hyping Shanks by defeating a strong opponent and showing that he is finally starting to make his moves. And secondly laying the grounds for some character development for kid . his defeat essentially forces him to participate in elbaf arc with the straw hats that cant be for nothing. We had to wait 2 arcs to learn a bit more about law too. Last time with Kaido he got set up by Apoo. This time he has no one to blame it was his fault shanks was just too strong for him. Also cant forget that he got where he is rn without tapping into Coc unlike Luffy and Zoro. Oda didnt give him coc for no reason, makes no sense. The day Oda makes that man finally unleash his potential he will be a top tier. When you get defeated you either give up and lose everything or you grow stronger from that. Willstrenght is something that absolutely no one can take away from Kid

 

[Yoho]

What is blud waffling about? Lmfao

Law saved Luffy and Smoker from Caesar by being smart enough to hide keys to their Kairoseki handcuffs

Law kept Smoker’s heart instead of giving it away and actually saved him

Law saved Sanji from being cooked salami by Doffy

Law saved Nami, Sanji, Chopper, Brook, and the Thousand Sunny from getting meteor-diffed by Fujitora

Without Law there is no chance to get to Zou

Without Law SHs would have ended their journey in PH, if not then definitely in Dressrosa as Doffy would have smoked half of the crew right then and there. While keeping Doffy and Fujiitora at bay for some time btw

Laws a hero 👏 he still took just as many Ls as kid

Law
Lost to Vergo
Lost to Doffy
Took him and Kid working together to beat big mom
Lost to bb


Kid
Lost to beckmen
Got crushed by big mom pirates
Took him and Law working together to beat big mom
Lost to Kaido
Lost to Shanks

They have almost have the same Lost record and Kids Lost to arguably stronger opponents

I'm just saying Kid gets slandered for losing to some of the strongest people in the verse

Meanwhile people praise Laws strength even tho the most he's been able to do is stall and beat people who are on the lowest levels of high tier

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Laws a hero 👏 he still took just as many Ls as kid

Law
Lost to Vergo
Lost to Doffy
Took him and Kid working together to beat big mom
Lost to bb


Kid
Lost to beckmen
Got crushed by big mom pirates
Took him and Law working together to beat big mom
Lost to Kaido
Lost to Shanks

They have almost have the same Lost record and Kids Lost to arguably stronger opponents

I'm just saying Kid gets slandered for losing to some of the strongest people in the verse

Meanwhile people praise Laws strength even tho the most he's been able to do is stall and beat people who are on the lowest levels of high tier

law defeated vergo, when did kid get crushed by big mom pirates?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I have Kidd at the bottom of low top tier in my books. I just don’t defend Kidd that much because of Oda’s bizarre writing for him.

Law didn’t just do things “slightly” better, he did things FAR better. He uses his fruit far more creatively and efficiently than Kidd. He has good Haki feats while Kidd has none, only CoC mention by Kaido. He has the backstory on chapters and D lore importance while Kidd is an SBS afterthought. He only “lost” while Kidd got “destroyed.”

Oda favors Law so much more it’s not even funny.

Law isn’t more creative than Kid, he just has a better fruit. It’s called “the ultimate DF” and the yonko specifically talk about how broken it is.

Anyways while Oda does favor Law, I do think Kid still has his own unique plot points.

Kid is a conqueror, Law isn’t. Kid has a supernova on his crew, Law doesn’t. Kid headed his own alliance with Hawkins and Apoo, while Law was treated like an unofficial SH. If one of them were to become a yonko, it would probably be Kid. Law would be more like Mihawk and not seek to be an emperor despite being top tier.

Kid is also tied to Shanks’s story. So far we have no idea why Kid is going after Shanks. Shanks has no road poneglyphs. So why did Kid pick a fight with them over the timeskip? The fact Kid got destroyed so quickly means we didn’t even get a proper interaction between these two, and hence these questions are still unanswered.

imo there’s real possibility for Kid to play a similar role to dressrosa Law when Luffy ultimately needs to defeat Shanks.

 

[ZenZu]

Laws a hero 👏 he still took just as many Ls as kid

Law
Lost to Vergo
Lost to Doffy
Took him and Kid working together to beat big mom
Lost to bb


Kid
Lost to beckmen
Got crushed by big mom pirates
Took him and Law working together to beat big mom
Lost to Kaido
Lost to Shanks

They have almost have the same Lost record and Kids Lost to arguably stronger opponents

I'm just saying Kid gets slandered for losing to some of the strongest people in the verse

Meanwhile people praise Laws strength even tho the most he's been able to do is stall and beat people who are on the lowest levels of high tier

Law's PH run is unmatched for any Luffy ally including the SHs. Not only did Law defeat the strongest character on the island but Oda basically shit on a longstanding Luffy "rival" in Smoker through Law. That alone was huge at the time.

Taking some Ls is one thing, Kidd has no Ws aside from Big Mom, but even in that W, Law far outshined him. Law has Smoker, Vergo, Trebol, Hawkins, Big Mom wins, and his recent loss to BB was even respectable.

Even just taking into account all the key fights, figures, and events he took part in, he was damn near the Kakashi of One Piece.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Taking some Ls is one thing, Kidd has no Ws aside from Big Mom, but even in that W, Law far outshined him. Law has Smoker, Vergo, Trebol, Hawkins, Big Mom wins, and his recent loss to BB was even respectable.

He fought a SC, took BM’s poneglyph, and they didn’t even know about it.

I’d wager that’s a better feat than what Law did to Trebol, Hawkins, or Vergo.

The only other people who’ve done that were Luffy and Roger.

 

[Peroroncino]

He fought a SC, took BM’s poneglyph, and they didn’t even know about it.

I’d wager that’s a better feat than what Law did to Trebol, Hawkins, or Vergo.

The only other people who’ve done that were Luffy and Roger.

killer said ''WE forced that bm commander to hand over the rubbing'' implies they jumped that commander

 

[ZenZu]

He fought a SC, took BM’s poneglyph, and they didn’t even know about it.

I’d wager that’s a better feat than what Law did to Trebol, Hawkins, or Vergo.

The only other people who’ve done that were Luffy and Roger.

Show don't tell. It came too little too late. On WCI when the info was relevant, the BMP themselves were telling us the audience, that only Urouge was a problem. It did more harm than good for Kidd. He was better off performing Urouge's feat.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

killer said ''WE forced that bm commander to hand over the rubbing'' implies they jumped that commander

Okay

Doesn’t change the fact he got a poneglyph on his own.

Show don't tell. It came too little too late. On WCI when the info was relevant, the BMP themselves were telling us the audience, that only Urouge was a problem. It did more harm than good for Kidd. He was better off performing Urouge's feat.

The fact that the BMP themselves didn’t know what Kid did makes it a significantly better feat than Urouge’s

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

killer said ''WE forced that bm commander to hand over the rubbing'' implies they jumped that commander

not necesarilly the randoms in wano also said we. could just mean they referring to their group