Speculations Shanks has to be the Holy Knight in the Silhouette

[Paperchampion23]

I’m not arguing it’s not a plot twist though.

Clealry, whether it‘s Shanks or a relative of Shanks, it is a plot twist.

What I’m saying is that Shanks being both a Holy Knight and a Yonko makes the Gorosei absolute morons.



Doflamingo wasn’t let back in purely because of what his father did.

It wasn’t because Doflamingo himself was cruel or violent. Because those are not traits the Celestial Dragons are overly concerned about. And he was only ten, at that point he hadn’t done anything overly chaotic. It was actually their rejection of him that caused him to go nuts.

So, Doflamingo, not allowed to return because dad turned his back on the Celestial Dragons. He had lived as a CD for several years and had all their attitudes.

Shanks, allowed to return, despite living for fourteen years with Roger. He had lived all his fourteen years with Roger and Roger’s values.

I’m saying, again, that if that’s what the Gorosei decided, then they are thick. They are also thick if their next step was to give Shanks free reign to roam around the world as a pirate. Wearing Roger’s hat. Matching the hidden hat in Mariejois.

I agrue that we dont know the full context in your last paragraph. If there IS established trust (maaaybe at the expense of Shanks' or Gorosei's characters), the signficance of the hat or those missing 14 years of Shanks' life until meeting Luffy may have deeper ties then we know.

Note that it while it was only a theory, Shiryu was basically saying the same thing about who the Burned Scar Man could be. If he has the 4th RP, he was essentially in the running for OP like the other Yonko. If said person is a WG employee, then you have someone posing as a pirate that is being trusted with an RP to prevent others from having it. While not confirmed, it does confirm Oda at least has the thought process to bring it up

Just...interesting to think about. I get what you are saying though.

 

[Greenbeard]

If it’s an assumption about their relationship, it’s one based on solid facts.

It’s a fact that Shanks‘ formative years were under Roger. He is, essentially, Shanks’ father. That should automatically set alarm bells off about any of Shanks‘ actions.

It’s also a fact that Doflamingo was not allowed to be a Celestial Dragon again.

Now, you may argue that Shanks never actually repudiated his heritage. Well, I would argue that sailing with Roger was as big a middle finger to the Celestial Dragons as you can possibly give, as a CD (which Shanks almost certainly is now). If they let Shanks back in, but not Doffy- who was pretty much a typical CD- then like I said, they are morons.

Moving on from facts to speculation

There’s the entire Yonko thing. I cannot think of a single advantage the World Gov gain by having a Holy Knight masquerade as a pirate and rise to that level. It’s not like the Yonko have regular conferences to decide the future of piracy. Then a double agent makes sense. But Shanks is just one of four emperors, all opposed to each other, who are the big wigs of countless pirates, all enemies of each other. There’s nothing that Yonko Shanks can accomplish that benefits the World Gov that an Admiral Shanks couldn’t. If they wanted a sleeper agent, they should have told him to go join up with Whitebeard or Kaido so he could influence them. Or kill them. That actually benefits them.

And if the argument is, maybe they aren’t letting Shanks do it, he’s just so strong or so willful they can’t stop him- then wtf are they keeping him as a HK? There is a super strong, uncontrollable man who, again, was raised by their greatest enemy, and they still have him in this position? That is, like I said, idiotic.

As to trusting him not to meet the Gorosei- absolutely does not require him to work for them. Actually makes Shanks a weaker character (Not in the power-levelling sense.) Shanks being able to do that because Shanks is fundamentally known worldwide as a man worthy of respect and trust is far better than Shanks being their subordinate. He‘s simply not the kind of person who would assassinate people under the guise of a meeting.

Yeah you are right Shanks being in Roger’s crew automatically disqualifies him to be a CD. Moreover if he was a spy of WG, it doesn’t make sense for him to not to travel to Laughtale when he had a chance. There is zero reason I can think of for readmitting Shanks back to CD when they didn’t do it for Mosgaurd or Doffy.

Maybe the only reason I can think of is to make him act as a deterrent to other pirates to reach Laughtale. Yonkos are essentially deterrent to other pirates and other yonkos. This power system has been in balance upto WB’s death and this system actively reduces workload of WG and marines by not letting any pirate reach Laughtale.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Shanks's evil twin.

 

[straightforward]

Yeah you are right Shanks being in Roger’s crew automatically disqualifies him to be a CD.

i don't think it's so clear cut. doflamingo's father renounced his CD status and since he was the head of the family, he got to make the decision for his children as well.

if shanks was abducted by roger from god valley, his relatives may have vouched for him on the grounds that he was a baby (obv didn't consent to being abducted) and his parents/caretakers never asked to be stripped of their CD status. he's a CD who was taken from his parents - so he's still a CD. who knows, maybe he came to the gorosei when he was 15 and said he hated roger and always tried to escape oro jackson but couldn't. something like that. we know shanks is a good liar

 

[Garp the Fist]

I agrue that we dont know the full context in your last paragraph. If there IS established trust (maaaybe at the expense of Shanks' or Gorosei's characters), the signficance of the hat or those missing 14 years of Shanks' life until meeting Luffy may have deeper ties then we know.

Well, yeah, I’ve not actually ruled anything out.

It’s the “at the expense of character” part I’ve been arguing, because I really can’t see the Gorosei as anything other than thick as pig shit if they trust Shanks to be both a Holy Knight and a pirate after he was raised by Roger.

They can still trust him (I think thay Shanks is a trustworthy person), his Celestial Dragon blood can certainly play a part, but to actually allow him to hold a position as one of the Celestial Dragons elite troops would be madness.

Especially since he can’t actually guard them the majority of the time.

Note that it while it was only a theory, Shiryu was basically saying the same thing about who the Burned Scar Man could be. If he has the 4th RP, he was essentially in the running for OP like the other Yonko. If said person is a WG employee, then you have someone posing as a pirate that is being trusted with an RP to prevent others from having it. While not confirmed, it does confirm Oda at least has the thought process to bring it up

Nobody suggested the man with the burn scar was a pirate though.

 

[Necrohol]

Maybe his father or twin brother?

 

[kumae]

That would be interesting tbh it will make him the final villain in laughtale it would be luffy vs Shanks vs imu vs buggy?kurohige imo is going down before LT

 

[Erkan12]

My take on this is very simple.

If the Celestial Dragons, the Gorosei or Im thought it was a good idea to trust Shanks with any position of power, it will be the dumbest idea anyone in One Piece has ever had.

Shanks was raised by Roger. That alone should disqualify him from ever being brought back into the fold. They wouldn’t let Doflamingo back in because of his father’s actions, but they are happy with a guy who spent the formative years of his life under the eye of their greatest enemy? Makes zero sense. (Shanks was far too young to have been a spy sent to them).

So the situation would be that Shanks
-runs around as a pirate with Rogerfrom when he was a baby to when he was 14
-is somehow welcomed back as a Celestial Dragon
-is allowed to…. continue to be a pirate, eventually becoming one of the four leaders?
-In this time, steals the Nika fruit from them

How is this a good plan? What exactly does the leaders of the world gain through this subterfuge? If piracy was a homogenous organisation like the Marines it would make sense, because then they could take it down from the inside. But that isn’t the case.

You say like Roger is the worst guy for them which is fair considering they wanted to erase everything about Roger and gave him the biggest bounty.

But there is actually something that Government likes about Roger: God Valley battle.

Government hide Roger's involment and told everyone Garp is the Hero, however without Roger, I am sure Xebec couldn't be defeated.

Who is the next generation Xebec? Teach.

Who is the next generation Roger? Shanks.

People think its Luffy but nope, Luffy will be more than Roger via Nika/Joy Boy. Shanks is a Great Pirate same as Roger when he fought Xebec.

Shanks literally uses the same Kamusari style as Roger.

If Shanks proposed Imu/Gorosei about providing that next generation Pirate help when they will need another Roger vs another Xebec, that could actually change their mind.

If Shanks stayed inside the government, he wouldn't have any access to the pirate world, Yonko territories and to his Yonko crew, Shanks knows he can't grow stronger without being in the new world and without being a pirate, Government might need help from Pirates side if they have to face another Xebec level danger.

And guess who saved Marineford from Teach? Not Sengoku or Garp, it was Shanks. That could happen again and Shanks can side with Marines to stop Teach again.

Then again, I don't think its confirmed Shanks is the Holy Knight but if he is and if thats how he managed to talk with Gorosei in secret then Oda can explain it very well if he wants to. Oda can find a way to make that work.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]