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Is Shanks more skilled than Zoro?

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#21
Despite being a fan favorite and Oda's self-insert, the RedHaired pirate is lacking feat-wise.

This is 2nd time he is losing to Zoro. The first time he lost to Zoro is in comparison between Dragon Damnation and Kamusari:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...did-it-better-redhaired-or-greenhaired.40225/

This is 2nd time he lost to Zoro as he needed way more effort in order to eliminate a target that Zoro eliminated effortlessly.
Shanks was pressed hard by a glimpse of what Kidd's rail gun would do to ships of his allies and instantly went all out.


He used Kamusari, a skill on Pirate King level, coated into nothing less than aCoC, just like Pirate King coated the same attack.
To be fair, Shanks might be more skilled than Pirate King and have some skill superior to Kamusari but it is his signature move regardless.
One thing is certain, he used the power of a handful of the very strongest in order to buff Kamusari to take Kidd out.
And that is his peak haki as he most likely will not show anything superior to it because KOH is unique to Zoro.



There is also another thing that needs to be addressed and that is the strength of their targets, Kidd and Lucci.
Anyone who power scales well knows that Lucci is superior to Kidd and would win in a fight but overall let's say they are in the same ballpark.
One thing we know for sure is that it is definitely harder to put down an Awakened Zoan than Kidd.

While Shanks nearly went all out with 100% of his power, Zoro didn't even need 5% of his power to put down a tougher target.
Yes, that is 5%, not a typo of 50%. Five percent of his total power is all that Zoro needs while Shanks goes close to 100%, probably.

How did I come up with 5%? Well, I may not be a math genius but one doesn't need to be to begin with to approximately calculate this...
Zoro at 100% power is Zoro in Demon God coated in King of Hell haki state. Let's go down from there.


We know that Demon God triples his power so let's split 100% into 3 parts to determine how strong he is in Santoryu - ~33% of power.
But that is still buffed by KOH which isn't present in the move that took Lucci out. Let's reduce that buff too.
We know thanks to Pound Ho skill that CoA buffed Zoro's power by 10 times, taking 36/72/108 Pound Ho to 360/720/1080 Pound Ho.
And recently Luffy pointed out they're 100 times stronger than they were when they met Kizaru 1st time so aCoC coating would also be 10x.
Let's remove that buff from 33% as well
. We are down to 3.3% of Zoro's power.


That would be the number we were looking for if Zoro's haki peak was a mere aCoC but he has something a step above that, the King of Hell that is made of aCoC and fuming CoA. So, we would have to split 33% of Zoro's power into an even smaller number than 3.3% but we don't know exactly how much stronger KOH is than aCoC.
I told yall I am no math genius but this is disrespectful to Shanks. :crazwhat:

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Yeah yeah Oda was calculating all of this for sure
:milaugh:
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Because we will never see anything stronger from Roger?
I said, Shanks might be more skilled and have something superior but do you really think it will make Kamusari into less than 3.3% of his total power? :quest:
Yes, we gonna se more from Roger. His last move against Xebec gonna be his strongest attack
 
#23
Even if you add Zoro and Jinbe's bounty they are still below Kid.

Kid defeated a Yonko and has 3 billion, he can't compare to a CP0 agent
Bm defeated the Bombs and the fall from the island into the magma. King did this in 1 page by drowning the BM. And then we saw when these two idiots met yonko in battle and got a van shot and a light diff
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wtf are you talking about ... Law teleported Zoro ... you claimed Zoro fully stopped Kaido + BM and that's a lie

you sounds like a dumb fuck, I put you in my ignore list don't bother replying
Zoro held the Hakai for much longer than the Kid's instantaneous wanshot a default attack. It's even incomparable.
 
#25
I remind everyone. That Lucci is the strongest cp0 agent in history, who withstood 4 nominal blows +haki g5 and felt great while goofy turned into an old man and ran away. Don't even try to compare trash like mid with Lucci.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#27
Yeah yeah Oda was calculating all of this for sure
:milaugh:
Whether he was calculating or not, one thing is certain, I did calculate it and everyone is coping about those facts. :milaugh:
Tell 'em Red-san.

Nik-chin, you said that Kaku is superior to Lucci. You also said that Kaku vs Killer is a tough one, even though you favor Kaku. [1]

Shanks obliterated Kidd and Killer 2 in 1. He also did so by blitzing them from a huge distance.
Line up Kaku, Lucci, Kidd and Killer and Zoro will obliterate them all by using a little bit more than 3.3% of his total power. :milaugh:
I truly wanna hear how you cope that Zoro needs 3.3% of his power to do better than Shanks at nearly 100% of his power. Bring it on.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#28
Tell 'em Red-san.

Nik-chin, you said that Kaku is superior to Lucci. You also said that Kaku vs Killer is a tough one, even though you favor Kaku. [1]

Shanks obliterated Kidd and Killer 2 in 1. He also did so by blitzing them from a huge distance.
Cause of the rail gun explosion

Side note

Doesn't look like lucci was cut
 
#29
Whoever reads this, please remember that nik87 isn't only a user from a forum but somewhere he's an actual person who probably is so delusionally ridiculous in his real life too and therefore applies the following kind of reasonings to serious stuff like politics:

Line up Kaku, Lucci, Kidd and Killer and Zoro will obliterate them all by using a little bit more than 3.3% of his total power. :milaugh:
Just let that sink in. If nik87 is stupid enough to waste his life in this forum discussing power scaling, which clearly Oda gives no shit about as an author, and is stupid enough to actually believe that current Zoro barely needs a 5% to achieve the same as 100% Shanks, just imagine how annoyingly stupid he must be in real life.

In a forum, nik87's mentality leads to cult-like movements like ZKK, generally harmless; but in real life, nik87's mentality leads to actual cults and radicalism. So don't be like nik87, even if only for your people's happiness.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#30
Whoever reads this, please remember that nik87 isn't only a user from a forum but somewhere he's an actual person who probably is so delusionally ridiculous in his real life too and therefore applies the following kind of reasonings to serious stuff like politics:



Just let that sink in. If nik87 is stupid enough to waste his life in this forum discussing power scaling, which clearly Oda gives no shit about as an author, and is stupid enough to actually believe that current Zoro barely needs a 5% to achieve the same as 100% Shanks; just imagine how annoyingly stupid he must be in real life.

In a forum, nik87's mentality leads to cult-like movements like ZKK; but in real life, nik87's mentality leads to actual cults and radicalism. So don't be like nik87, even if only for your people's happiness.
Blud you don't think Shanks is swordsman. How can you talk
 
#31
I don't know why anybody still believes Lucci is stronger than Kid. His feats are objectively worst.
Lucci's speed is overrated, even Sentomaru could react to him and put up a defense. And Sentomaru has veteran level portrayal at best.

Honestly see no reason why Kid couldn't replicate Zoro's feat of one shotting Lucci with assign SN or something like that.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#32
I don't know why anybody still believes Lucci is stronger than Kid. His feats are objectively worst.
Lucci's speed is overrated, even Sentomaru could react to him and put up a defense. And Sentomaru has veteran level portrayal at best.

Honestly see no reason why Kid couldn't replicate Zoro's feat of one shotting Lucci with assign SN or something like that.
Sentomaru beating Jack. And lucci ripped through his defence. He also sent g5 flying in a clash.

Kidd is slow af.
 
#33
Ultimately, if you read 1079

In contrast to a lot of your headcanons, the chapter doesn't actually portray Kid as a fraud, but rather as a formidable 3 billion berry pirate who despite his strength, is still no match for Shanks.


Shanks aknowledges Kid's strength and the narration even underscores that Kid is a 3 billion berry man, just to show how strong Shanks is to KO him.

Zoro's feat is impressive but its absolutely nothing compared to what Shanks did.

What Shanks did is more comparable to Luffy taking out Kizaru with WSG, except even better as Shanks didn't even give Kid the opportunity to hurt his crew.
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Sentomaru beating Jack. And lucci ripped through his defence. He also sent g5 flying in a clash.

Kidd is slow af.
Kid is about as fast as base Luffy, definitely faster than sentomaru

 
#34
Blud you don't think Shanks is swordsman. How can you talk
I can assure you 100% that any of my takes on swordsmanship is way, way, way more faithful to this story than anything you believe.

If you check my posts, I don't assure Shanks isn't a swordsman nor even deny the scenario where Mihawk is stronger than him. What I do, unlike your kind of idiots in here, is accepting the canonical nuances that Oda has presented regarding swordsmanship and proposing my assessments on them and what implications they could carry. Again, without taking hard positions about anything, such as "Shanks isn't a swordsman"; which I don't state.

The problem with people like you is that you all, whether yourself, nik87 or whoever, all hate Oda's swordsmanship, as ironic as it may sound. You don't give a shit about the way Oda has gradually presented swordsmanship in his world, which is why I didn't even take the trouble of keep developing my last thread on this topic: it was pointless with brainless users like you populating this place.

You don't care that Mihawk described a sword without skill as just an iron bar. You don't care that Koushiro didn't even consider a sword that can't choose what to cut "a real sword". You don't care that weaker swordsmen have been given the dai-kengou title while stronger swordsman are still lacking it. You don't care that explicit references to skill, not simply overall strength as a fighter, have been made since day one regarding swordsmanship. You don't care that Ipponmatsu described Zoro as a real swordsman unlike the tons of swordsmen that bought from him till then. You don't care that there's a way of the sword that defines how the likes of Zoro see swordsmanship. You don't care that sword users like King have been explicitly referred as not swordsmen, so it's a fact not every person who fights with a sword is a swordsman. You don't care that swords canonically carry the will of their previous user and can give said user's strength to their next holder since there's a lore of animism behind this universe's swordsmanship. You don't care that a true swordsman is also defined by their spirit, not only by fighting with a sword. You don't care that the strongest sword is that which can freely cut anything but nothing at the same time. You don't care about the significant difference between simply swinging your swords and having a sword style.

You-don't-care-about-One-Piece's-swordsmanship. At all. You only care about your personal, simplified version of swordsmanship, completely ignoring the nuances given by Oda to it, because you hate One Piece's swordsmanship and only want to compensate whatever complex you have by fetishizing Zoro and anything revolving around him.

Which is why I have most of you ignored, by the way.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#35
I can assure you 100% that any of my takes on swordsmanship is way, way, way more faithful to this story than anything you believe.

If you check my posts, I don't assure Shanks isn't a swordsman nor even deny the scenario where Mihawk is stronger than him. What I do, unlike your kind of idiots in here, is accepting the canonical nuances that Oda has presented regarding swordsmanship and proposing my assessments on them and what implications they could carry. Again, without taking hard positions about anything, such as "Shanks isn't a swordsman"; which I don't state.

The problem with people like you is that you all, whether yourself, nik87 or whoever, all hate Oda's swordsmanship, as ironic as it may sound. You don't give a shit about the way Oda has gradually presented swordsmanship in his world, which is why I didn't even take the trouble of keep developing my last thread on this topic: it was pointless with brainless users like you populating this place.

You don't care that Mihawk described a sword without skill as just an iron bar. You don't care that Koushiro didn't even consider a sword that can't choose what to cut "a real sword". You don't care that weaker swordsmen have been given the dai-kengou title while stronger swordsman are still lacking it. You don't care that explicit references to skill, not simply overall strength as a fighter, have been made since day one regarding swordsmanship. You don't care that Ipponmatsu described Zoro as a real swordsman unlike the tons of swordsmen that bought from him till then. You don't care that there's a way of the sword that defines how the likes of Zoro see swordsmanship. You don't care that sword users like King have been explicitly referred as not swordsmen, so it's a fact not every person who fights with a sword is a swordsman. You don't care that swords canonically carry the will of their previous user and can give said user's strength to their next holder since there's a lore of animism behind this universe's swordsmanship. You don't care that a true swordsman is also defined by their spirit, not only by fighting with a sword. You don't care that the strongest sword is that which can freely cut anything but nothing at the same time. You don't care about the significant difference between simply swinging your swords and having a sword style.

You-don't-care-about-One-Piece's-swordsmanship. At all. You only care about your personal, simplified version of swordsmanship, completely ignoring the nuances given by Oda to it, because you hate One Piece's swordsmanship and only want to compensate whatever complex you have by fetishizing Zoro and anything revolving around him.

Which is why I have most of you ignored, by the way.
Word vomit.

Shanks is a swordman with a beloved blade who is the rival and main duel for the current wss.
That alone debunks whatever you wrote.
 
#36
Despite being a fan favorite and Oda's self-insert, the RedHaired pirate is lacking feat-wise.

This is 2nd time he is losing to Zoro. The first time he lost to Zoro is in comparison between Dragon Damnation and Kamusari:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...did-it-better-redhaired-or-greenhaired.40225/

This is 2nd time he lost to Zoro as he needed way more effort in order to eliminate a target that Zoro eliminated effortlessly.
Shanks was pressed hard by a glimpse of what Kidd's rail gun would do to ships of his allies and instantly went all out.


He used Kamusari, a skill on Pirate King level, coated into nothing less than aCoC, just like Pirate King coated the same attack.
To be fair, Shanks might be more skilled than Pirate King and have some skill superior to Kamusari but it is his signature move regardless.
One thing is certain, he used the power of a handful of the very strongest in order to buff Kamusari to take Kidd out.
And that is his peak haki as he most likely will not show anything superior to it because KOH is unique to Zoro.



There is also another thing that needs to be addressed and that is the strength of their targets, Kidd and Lucci.
Anyone who power scales well knows that Lucci is superior to Kidd and would win in a fight but overall let's say they are in the same ballpark.
One thing we know for sure is that it is definitely harder to put down an Awakened Zoan than Kidd.

While Shanks nearly went all out with 100% of his power, Zoro didn't even need 5% of his power to put down a tougher target.
Yes, that is 5%, not a typo of 50%. Five percent of his total power is all that Zoro needs while Shanks goes close to 100%, probably.

How did I come up with 5%? Well, I may not be a math genius but one doesn't need to be to begin with to approximately calculate this...
Zoro at 100% power is Zoro in Demon God coated in King of Hell haki state. Let's go down from there.


We know that Demon God triples his power so let's split 100% into 3 parts to determine how strong he is in Santoryu - ~33% of power.
But that is still buffed by KOH which isn't present in the move that took Lucci out. Let's reduce that buff too.
We know thanks to Pound Ho skill that CoA buffed Zoro's power by 10 times, taking 36/72/108 Pound Ho to 360/720/1080 Pound Ho.
And recently Luffy pointed out they're 100 times stronger than they were when they met Kizaru 1st time so aCoC coating would also be 10x.
Let's remove that buff from 33% as well
. We are down to 3.3% of Zoro's power.


That would be the number we were looking for if Zoro's haki peak was a mere aCoC but he has something a step above that, the King of Hell that is made of aCoC and fuming CoA. So, we would have to split 33% of Zoro's power into an even smaller number than 3.3% but we don't know exactly how much stronger KOH is than aCoC.
I told yall I am no math genius but this is disrespectful to Shanks. :crazwhat:

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This math is fact.
Even I was Planning to make a thread on this.
" we are 100x stronger Only works on Zoro and luffy ".

For instance. For luffy, After time skip with simple Haki addition - they got 10x Stronger
  • G4 (base haki) - King Kong gun
  • AdCoC Boost (5 time) - Over Kong Gun
  • G5 (2 times) - Bajrang Gun
  • Above are the same attack just improved Over time.
  • Doing the math after time skip , its , 10×5×2=100
For zoro , it's evident , Zoro got 10 x Stronger after Time skip as well.
Because his attack of 108 pound got turned into 1080 , Zoro got Stronger in Base here , 1080 is not a haki attack , zoro haki boost came later.
  • Post time skip - 10 x from pre time skip.
  • Adding Base Haki to it - made twice strong like Tatsumaki and Onigiri , (3000 world as well) and sane goes for ashura it got twice strong. (But as base zoro got 10x stronger , that's like 20 times stronger and we know ashura makes stuff 3 times stronger (means 60 times stronger ofc it did more than what g4 luffy can achieve)) it's simple math.
  • Add AdCoC - which made 5 times further Stronger.
  • Post time skip buff (10 times) × Haki boost (2 times) × AdCoC (5 times) = 100 times. Again correct with my maths.
  • Also I'm not including scaling of Ashura and KoH over here. Ashura is confirmed to make it 3x stronger , which makes it 300x and I don't know how strong KoH makes it , I don't enough material to scale it. It could 2 times to make it 200 times stronger or 3 times to make 300 times stronger. Add both ashura and KoH (~1000 times stronger).
  • There's a reason why zoro is called AP King.

Not just These attacks.
Take any attacks from luffy and zoro arsenal , if they have used upgraded version of it.

King kong gun is ultimate move for luffy , Simple Haki + G4 is first for him which made his attack 10 time more potent that pre time skip luffy , AdCoA is just Haki improvement , Didn't do shit to kaido , it was AdCoC which was gane changing for Luffy which made his attack 5x stronger , Gear 5 made it 2x on top of Adcoc which was Bajrang gun.

Now if you wanna argue why zoro haki isn't a criteria for his 10x , it's simple , Zoro didn't bother to use haki Until Pica Final move.
Before that it was only Base zoro fighting. It's like Garp bro trained physically , zoro trained in swordsmanship. Luffy worked on devil fruit to remove g3 and g3 restriction and new g4.

Also don't cope with the fact Zoro = luffy lmao when I say 100x.
100x means they got 100x from their base of pre time skip.
Zoro 100x =/ luffy 100x lol.
Zoro cuts deeper and with insane lethality.
Zoro has AP and lethality to his side....
Where Luffy got more DC.

Zoro can slice Onighishima but Luffy can level it. Both work very differently.
Supreme autism level award
:willsmith:
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#37
Whoever reads this, please remember that nik87 isn't only a user from a forum but somewhere he's an actual person who probably is so delusionally ridiculous in his real life too and therefore applies the following kind of reasonings to serious stuff like politics:



Just let that sink in. If nik87 is stupid enough to waste his life in this forum discussing power scaling, which clearly Oda gives no shit about as an author, and is stupid enough to actually believe that current Zoro barely needs a 5% to achieve the same as 100% Shanks, just imagine how annoyingly stupid he must be in real life.

In a forum, nik87's mentality leads to cult-like movements like ZKK, generally harmless; but in real life, nik87's mentality leads to actual cults and radicalism. So don't be like nik87, even if only for your people's happiness.
What do you say about Zoro needing 3.3% of his total power to outdo Shanks with aCoC?
 
#38
You only care about your personal, simplified version of swordsmanship, completely ignoring the nuances given by Oda to it
No, the people who do that are the ones who say things like Shanks/Roger aren't swordsmen because "their attack didn't cut/it was a haki bar" ignoring the statement that swordsmen can choose what to cut and what not to. Seems like Zoro fanboys are the only ones paying attention to nuances.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#39
No, the people who do that are the ones who say things like Shanks/Roger aren't swordsmen because "their attack didn't cut/it was a haki bar" ignoring the statement that swordsmen can choose what to cut and what not to. Seems like Zoro fanboys are the only ones paying attention to nuances.
I'm waiting for next chapter cause it doesn't look like lucci was cut. If he's not they got nothing left
 
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