General & Others "Shanks vs Mihawk" and "Itachi vs Minato" social experiment

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A Shinra Tensei on the scale that leveled Konoha is basically unavoidable without prior intel.
Minato's reaction speed is explicitly highlighted the first time he faced Kamui and the Raikage's Lightning Armour.

Dude reacted to explosive tags on his newborn's blanket and outran an explosion in a split second.

You're going to have to actually argue the point from an underdog position if you think Minato couldn't handle Shinra Tensei. It took him two tries to figure out Kamui's weakness. I don't think he'll have any trouble figuring out ST mechanics.

Minato’s not reacting to that unless he already marked a seal in another city lol.
Minato had at least one safehouse we know of, he probably had more. Considering he learned Sage Mode, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a tag on Mount Myōboku - regardless, I don't think he'd need an established safe point. He could create one.

Pain can just bait Minato into entering his range and drop it.
Baiting Minato is not a serious argument.

Pain doesn't have the speed or stamina to spam ST enough to even hope to get lucky.

Universal Push/Pull also lets Pain manipulate Minato’s positioning and force him into using FTG defensively instead of offensively.
Minato can spam FTG as much as he wants. Pain can't do the same. One has to get his timing right once, the other has to be perfect the entire time.

In a battle of attrition, Minato wins. In a game of inches and centimetres, Minato wins. In virtually any kind of confrontation, Minato wins because his skill set and style hold all the advantages that matter.

I’m taking the guy who, while heavily nerfed, still wiped out Konoha and could’ve sealed the Nine-Tails without sacrificing himself, something Minato couldn’t do.
Nagato is the descendant of a demigod and has the chakra to use his Rinnegan. Of course he has more destructive capability.

Big whoop. He can't do much with it against Minato. That's the important part.

Pain simply has higher portrayal. Evident by the fact that Nagato was destroying KCM Naruto, Bee, and Itachi at the same time.
You should revisit the manga man, these are some utterly baseless takes.

A teen Bee managed to analyze FTG btw, and he was punking Minato even while marked.
This is actually incredible because you already had the context of Minato's speed vs Obito/Kamui when this happened in the manga to know Bee had no shot actually succeeding stabbing a dude whose speed can only be discussed in fractions of seconds.

The panel below exists as well lol, Sage Mode Naruto was already stated to have surpassed both Minato and Jiraiya.
lol, c'mon man. Do not waste my time with retarded takes like Pain Arc Naruto > Minato. :suresure:

It makes sense, way stronger stats bar speed from FTG, Naruto pretty much already beat his dad in ninjutsu with rasenshuriken.
You really don't know ball at all if you believe this.

Rasenshuriken was completing a project Minato never got around to finishing. That doesn't take away from the fact he did learn space-time ninjutsu, sealing techniques and Sage Mode. Minato did not lack for high level jutsu in any respect.

Minato's humility aside, he demonstrated the ability to maintain Perfect Sage Mode indefinitely in battle and adjust his jutsu accordingly. The fact this mfer never used it in battle before turned out to be irrelevant. He never used jinchuuriki techniques either and had perfect control. Show > tell

With that in mind, I don’t think that Minato has much room for a clean win here, as his offensive output is limited compared to SM Naruto. Preta path powers just cancels out any Ransengan lmfao.
A regular Rasengan can take out a Path. They can also be defeated with physical attacks.

Preta Path can't absorb senjutsu, which Minato would undoubtedly use.

Put more thought into your next post, I ain't going over it like a failing paper again.
 
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Did you bother reading the fight or are you framing opinions based on online comments from the likes of ZenZu? Lmfao

Also, I am asking for his best speed feat. A mele encounter isn't the best example of a speed feat. It's more of a reaction speed feat.
Is keeping up with fast characters like CQC not a speed feat? Lol. Personally the most impressive one for me is perception Blitzing Nagato but everyone shits on that feat and I’m bored of repeating the same arguments
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@GalaxyLevelShanks next spicy thread idea. Light vs L

Hisoka vs no prep Chrollo

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L would probably win considering this forum. And to be fair, L being smarter is something that’s completely valid to believe even as a Light fan but the way people pretend Light isn’t close and L didn’t have a shit ton of assets… like the entire world’s intelligence agencies at his disposal is very disingenuous.

I don’t really powerscale HxH but I’d root for Chrollo. I despise Hisoka.
 
Not all disabilities look like this:

some look like this:
Aint my fault you dont understand the manga. Naruto said it and even Kishimoto at a title said it.
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Which is why Madara didn’t even bother to acknowledge Minato in the war right? :Shadow_Unimpressed:

Dude, Madara hard rides Hashirama dick, he is love with him.

Guy feat being able.to damage Madara is mainly thanks to Minato's tactic. Madara made everyone look like a fodder at the war.

Still, Madara did acknowledge his threat and waited the perfect moment he was gone so Obito could see Rin die.
 

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L would probably win considering this forum. And to be fair, L being smarter is something that’s completely valid to believe even as a Light fan but the way people pretend Light isn’t close and L didn’t have a shit ton of assets… like the entire world’s intelligence agencies at his disposal is very disingenuous.
L is immensely smart, no doubt. But like in most other things in the world of Death Note he comes second to Light in that department as well.


Light played the entire game on hard more. He could have gotten rid of L after the first meeting, if he had just traded half his lifespan. Boom, there goes L.


I do agree that people are disingenuous about it and trying to downplay the resources L had. L had all the world's disposal at his feet and still failed to capture Light, with all the police, tracking, FBI, infinite amount of money and manpower. Light outwits L throughout the story, and even has Rem note that he's transcended even the Shinigami. L is smart, no doubt, but Light is just smarter than him. Throughout the course of the story L constantly tries to bait Light into falling into traps, and observing even the minuscule reactions from him, and yet Light never falls for them. To constantly outwit a smart person such as L, without showing any signs of a change in behaviour, nerves, etc, Light has to be the smarter one.


There has not been any instance that L has contrived as meticulously as Light has when he went ahead and literally made himself innocent and managed to get rid of the two biggest threats to him, Rem and L in one fell swoop. Not only does he manage to predict how L and everyone else will react, he reads HIMSELF into the future, 100 steps ahead and pits two of his biggest enemies against each other.



I don’t really powerscale HxH but I’d root for Chrollo. I despise Hisoka.
It'd be an interesting topic. Chrollo murked Hisoka in the actual fight, but he had who knows how much prep and everything. Without prep it would be much more debatable.
 
L is immensely smart, no doubt. But like in most other things in the world of Death Note he comes second to Light in that department as well.


Light played the entire game on hard more. He could have gotten rid of L after the first meeting, if he had just traded half his lifespan. Boom, there goes L.


I do agree that people are disingenuous about it and trying to downplay the resources L had. L had all the world's disposal at his feet and still failed to capture Light, with all the police, tracking, FBI, infinite amount of money and manpower. Light outwits L throughout the story, and even has Rem note that he's transcended even the Shinigami. L is smart, no doubt, but Light is just smarter than him. Throughout the course of the story L constantly tries to bait Light into falling into traps, and observing even the minuscule reactions from him, and yet Light never falls for them. To constantly outwit a smart person such as L, without showing any signs of a change in behaviour, nerves, etc, Light has to be the smarter one.


There has not been any instance that L has contrived as meticulously as Light has when he went ahead and literally made himself innocent and managed to get rid of the two biggest threats to him, Rem and L in one fell swoop. Not only does he manage to predict how L and everyone else will react, he reads HIMSELF into the future, 100 steps ahead and pits two of his biggest enemies against each other.




It'd be an interesting topic. Chrollo murked Hisoka in the actual fight, but he had who knows how much prep and everything. Without prep it would be much more debatable.
Very true. I feel Light was getting constantly outsmarted at one point in the story. Like once L revealed himself to him till the whole memory loss plan. That is one of the biggest clutch ups in animanga history. That’s why I love the Yotsuba arc. There’s no way he predicted all that. One of my fave panels in fiction is when he gets all his memories back.

I feel he should have beaten Near too. Near deducing Mikami was X-Kira was the mother of all asspulls. Like, there’s no way that the series used paragraphs of logic for even minor deductions but Near just found out X-Kira was Mikami by looking at him onna TV show. So stupid. And even then, he needed Mello to sacrifice himself to win. He didn’t even consider the possibility of a fake notebook.

It'd be an interesting topic. Chrollo murked Hisoka in the actual fight, but he had who knows how much prep and everything. Without prep it would be much more debatable.
Eh to be fair, prep and intel is extremely important in the HxH verse. It’s make or break for most fights. Hisoka had the same amount of prep time as well. But they are portrayed as relative after the fight with a decent argument for Hisoka’s superiority. Would be interesting. I really hope it’s not a stomp like last fight because that was so underwhelming to read.
 
Bruh he got dominated by base sharingan itachi. Jiraiya is helpless against amaterasu or tsukiyomi.
Just like Naruto was against Sasuke Amaterasu?
How gaara rendered Amaterasu useless?

Amaterasu.. yes deadly but With enough speed and Defensive barriers like Gaara and Naruto chakra cloak can avoid is easily. Kirana legit made an entrance with toad skin surrounding all of them.

Tsukoyomi requires a direct eye contact against an opponent. Sadly Sage users can fight With eyes closed due to their Heightened senses.

Not only that summoned animal with Jiraya can break him out of genjutsu by disturbing his chakra flow. Jiraya himself placed a sage type genjutsu on a Rinnegan user, already tells his prowess in this matter.

This all assuming Jiraya is fighting is sage mode. Nobody believes he is taking out Itachi without sage mode.


I'm not counting in types of Koto~whatever from shusui and Izanagi type of stuff here, that's not something you can utilise in everyday battle. One takes ten years to charge up without hashirama cells and other one judt destroys one of the sharingan.


Orochimaru was never using sage mode against Itachi, not does he have a history of avoiding such level of Genjutsu. As I said orochimaru was overconfident in his abilities and orochimaru never even learned to use Sage mode transformation to begin with.

Kabuto surpassed Orochimaru in senjutsu and on top of that none of their Genjutsu actually worked until Itachi used Izanagi.

Jiraya doesn't have a perfect sage mode either but those frogs are there to balance it for him. He used unconventional methods. But shit worked the same for him.
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Jiraiya failed to bring Orochimaru back

Orochimaru is strongest sannin

Check what itachi did to him.

Remember itachi was on good side guys, apply normal iq deductive reasoning
This isn't Jiraya vs Orochimaru thread lmao.
One became victim to sharingan

And other countered Rinnegan genjutsu.
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How do you manage to be retarded in both OP and Nardo powerscaling? This is truly a feat
Says the one who carries more L than me.
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Minato's reaction speed is explicitly highlighted the first time he faced Kamui and the Raikage's Lightning Armour.

Dude reacted to explosive tags on his newborn's blanket and outran an explosion in a split second.

You're going to have to actually argue the point from an underdog position if you think Minato couldn't handle Shinra Tensei. It took him two tries to figure out Kamui's weakness. I don't think he'll have any trouble figuring out ST mechanics.



Minato had at least one safehouse we know of, he probably had more. Considering he learned Sage Mode, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a tag on Mount Myōboku - regardless, I don't think he'd need an established safe point. He could create one.



Baiting Minato is not a serious argument.

Pain doesn't have the speed or stamina to spam ST enough to even hope to get lucky.



Minato can spam FTG as much as he wants. Pain can't do the same. One has to get his timing right once, the other has to be perfect the entire time.

In a battle of attrition, Minato wins. In a game of inches and centimetres, Minato wins. In virtually any kind of confrontation, Minato wins because his skill set and style hold all the advantages that matter.



Nagato is the descendant of a demigod and has the chakra to use his Rinnegan. Of course he has more destructive capability.

Big whoop. He can't do much with it against Minato. That's the important part.



You should revisit the manga man, these are some utterly baseless takes.



This is actually incredible because you already had the context of Minato's speed vs Obito/Kamui when this happened in the manga to know Bee had no shot actually succeeding stabbing a dude whose speed can only be discussed in fractions of seconds.



lol, c'mon man. Do not waste my time with retarded takes like Pain Arc Naruto > Minato. :suresure:



You really don't know ball at all if you believe this.

Rasenshuriken was completing a project Minato never got around to finishing. That doesn't take away from the fact he did learn space-time ninjutsu, sealing techniques and Sage Mode. Minato did not lack for high level jutsu in any respect.

Minato's humility aside, he demonstrated the ability to maintain Perfect Sage Mode indefinitely in battle and adjust his jutsu accordingly. The fact this mfer never used it in battle before turned out to be irrelevant. He never used jinchuuriki techniques either and had perfect control. Show > tell



A regular Rasengan can take out a Path. They can also be defeated with physical attacks.

Preta Path can't absorb senjutsu, which Minato would undoubtedly use.

Put more thought into your next post, I ain't going over it like a failing paper again.
Nagato doesn’t even need to bait Minato because Minato is the one who has to close the distance and fight in CQC. Shinra Tensei can be released the moment Minato appears behind Pain, and it naturally counters FTG. A high-level Shinra Tensei on its own is enough to end the fight.

Being a split second faster than teen Tobi doesn’t carry much weight lol. Tobi needs to physically tag someone to win as well, we already know this exploitable weakness. Minato being quicker than young Bee also isn’t impressive when Nagato was overwhelming KCM Naruto and Bee at the same time. His reaction speed is clearly good enough to contest Minato’s attempts. Imagine that against multiple paths and summons, Minato can’t take one out as easily as perfect SM Naruto lol.

Sage Mode Naruto in the Pain arc and in the War arc is essentially the same character, with the only difference being that he can stay in Sage Mode for longer (like one extra Rasenshuriken lol). It’s completely reasonable to say that SM Naruto surpassed Minato because that is what the story was implying, not even that, the story was directly stating that Naruto has surpassed his father lol. Pain was a threat Konoha had not seen since Madara. SM Naruto’s boosted physical stats and Rasenshuriken are what allowed him to one shot several Paths. Minato cannot replicate that kind of damage because he relies heavily on Rasengan for offense. His Senjutsu is also poor, and he only managed to use Sage Mode for a few brief moments in the final war. It’s not the perfect version like Naruto’s either. SM Naruto vs Minato is already a debate, Minato can‘t hurt him that much even if he manages to tag him here and there. Stat difference is immense. Mr Rasengan and kunai might tickle him.
 
Just like Naruto was against Sasuke Amaterasu?
How gaara rendered Amaterasu useless?

Amaterasu.. yes deadly but With enough speed and Defensive barriers like Gaara and Naruto chakra cloak can avoid is easily. Kirana legit made an entrance with toad skin surrounding all of them.

Tsukoyomi requires a direct eye contact against an opponent. Sadly Sage users can fight With eyes closed due to their Heightened senses.

Not only that summoned animal with Jiraya can break him out of genjutsu by disturbing his chakra flow. Jiraya himself placed a sage type genjutsu on a Rinnegan user, already tells his prowess in this matter.

This all assuming Jiraya is fighting is sage mode. Nobody believes he is taking out Itachi without sage mode.


I'm not counting in types of Koto~whatever from shusui and Izanagi type of stuff here, that's not something you can utilise in everyday battle. One takes ten years to charge up without hashirama cells and other one judt destroys one of the sharingan.


Orochimaru was never using sage mode against Itachi, not does he have a history of avoiding such level of Genjutsu. As I said orochimaru was overconfident in his abilities and orochimaru never even learned to use Sage mode transformation to begin with.

Kabuto surpassed Orochimaru in senjutsu and on top of that none of their Genjutsu actually worked until Itachi used Izanagi.

Jiraya doesn't have a perfect sage mode either but those frogs are there to balance it for him. He used unconventional methods. But shit worked the same for him.
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This isn't Jiraya vs Orochimaru thread lmao.
One became victim to sharingan

And other countered Rinnegan genjutsu.
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Says the one who carries more L than me.
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When did Naruto faced off against amaterasu? Since when jiraiya has gaara's defense? Bruh :seriously:
 
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