General & Others "Shanks vs Mihawk" and "Itachi vs Minato" social experiment

[Maupp]

You’re ignoring Minato’s own words. Minato stans classic always

I listed you proven facts about that Minato vs Obito's fight and your rebuttal is calling people fanboys. Typical internet behavior. Some of you just can't help yourselves.

Getting in your feelings because the replies aren't what you want to read is hilarious in some ways. You wanted people to pick Itachi in this match up but it didn't play out that way, so you got salty and assume everyone is a fanboy because that's how you've approached this thread, as a fanboy hoping to read what he wants to be true.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Oh Minato vs Itachi, throws me back

Anyway as far as their battle is concerned, I think knowledge is important. It all comes down to the genjutsu vs ftg debate, but knowledge dictates how much easier either can take advantage of this

However few things to note. With his speed, hax(teleportation, ftg barrier, sealing techniques), sensory ability, things like Amaterasu or Susanoo are completely useless, and since Minato is a natural sensor, capable of clone usage, with perfect chakra control it makes it extremely hard for Itachi to manage a genjutsu since not only clones counter genjutsu, but he can sense chakra flow to detect any genjutsu use, and with perfect chakra control can even break any genjutsu outside of tsukiyomi

A simple throw of ftg kunais and Minato already controls the battlefield environment, forcing Itachi on the defensive(Susanoo) to potential prevent fast/blindside attacks, pushing him under pressure(potentially attacked at any moment, Susanoo chakra use, drawbacks) without Minato having to do much

Furthermore, he only needs one touch to end the fight due to permanent markings, which given his speed, intellect and potential distractions(ftg kunais, clones, ... ) is easier to happen.

And that's discounting things like ftg swap(which might allow him to get rid of Susanoo), ftg lvl 3 which we never got to see, sealing techniques, SM with summons(although not really in character for him, but amphibian technique might theoretically allow him to counter his SM duration issue)

In terms of portrayal as well, Itachi considered Obito(who he thought was Madara) as his superior mentor who needed the EMS to be surpassed, when Minato could beat him fast even while lacking knowledge, and being under pressure(Kushina/his newborn son, the Kyubi(the strongest biju), the village). Later in the war arc, he even got KCM which only happens if you manage to best your biju, and in the recent one shot, his potential was even compared to Hashirama's(god of shinobi), although he died too early to realize it

All to say that Minato is overall the superior fighter

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As for the Mihawk vs Shanks debate, Shanks has always been portrayed as a swordsman and Mihawk is the strongest swordsman.

But it's implied they never settled before Shanks lost his arm, and both grew stronger since then, with Oda always leaving it ambiguous.

So while there is more reason to view Mihawk as stronger, I'd not be surprised if Oda viewed them as equals. It might also depend on how Oda will develop the black blade stuff

Itachi has sharingan to track all kunai locations and can use amaterasu to set them off tbf. Amaterasu can be used in wide scale making it harder for Minato to land and escape from itachi's attacks.

Plus itachi himself is pretty skilled when it comes to kunai usage and can throw his kunais to counter minato's FTG Kunai.

 

[Revan]

Not all disabilities look like this:

some look like this:

Minato > Hashirama

 

[Bogard]

Itachi has sharingan to track all kunai locations and can use amaterasu to set them off tbf. Amaterasu can be used in wide scale making it harder for Minato to land and escape from itachi's attacks.

Plus itachi himself is pretty skilled when it comes to kunai usage and can throw his kunais to counter minato's FTG Kunai.

The objective of the kunai throw has nothing to do with Itachi's sharingan tracking skills. It's to expand his teleportation territory range and make his fast/blindside attacks easier.

And sure Itachi can try to burn them down with Amaterasu, but that'd be at his own chakra cost. If Minato throws other kunais, and Itachi keeps doing it, it'd end up with Itachi wasting his chakra without Minato having to do anything

 

[Revan]

Itachi's problem is that despite his sharingan, he can't defend against Minato's speed without susanoo and susanoo burns way more of Itachi's chakra than Minato's teleports do so it's either Itachi captures Minato in genjutsu (Sasuke didn't manage to capture Raikage in genjutsu as an example and Raikage acknowledged Itachi as a stronger fighter), Minato wins.

 

[MonsterKaido]

The objective of the kunai throw has nothing to do with Itachi's sharingan tracking skills. It's to expand his teleportation territory range and make his fast/blindside attacks easier.

And sure Itachi can try to burn them down with Amaterasu, but that'd be at his own chakra cost. If Minato throws other kunais, and Itachi keeps doing it, it'd end up with Itachi wasting his chakra without Minato having to do anything

I think you are underestimating how big amaterasu's scale and range can be. It would become had for Minato to stay up close when fighting itachi

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

I listed you proven facts about that Minato vs Obito's fight and your rebuttal is calling people fanboys. Typical internet behavior. Some of you just can't help yourselves.

Getting in your feelings because the replies aren't what you want to read is hilarious in some ways. You wanted people to pick Itachi in this match up but it didn't play out that way, so you got salty and assume everyone is a fanboy because that's how you've approached this thread, as a fanboy hoping to read what he wants to be true.

Someone’s triggered

Post automatically merged: Yesterday at 12:00 PM

Oh Minato vs Itachi, throws me back

Anyway as far as their battle is concerned, I think knowledge is important. It all comes down to the genjutsu vs ftg debate, but knowledge dictates how much easier either can take advantage of this

However few things to note. With his speed, hax(teleportation, ftg barrier, sealing techniques), sensory ability, things like Amaterasu or Susanoo are completely useless, and since Minato is a natural sensor, capable of clone usage, with perfect chakra control it makes it extremely hard for Itachi to manage a genjutsu since not only clones counter genjutsu, but he can sense chakra flow to detect any genjutsu use, and with perfect chakra control can even break any genjutsu outside of tsukiyomi

A simple throw of ftg kunais and Minato already controls the battlefield environment, forcing Itachi on the defensive(Susanoo) to potential prevent fast/blindside attacks, pushing him under pressure(potentially attacked at any moment, Susanoo chakra use, drawbacks) without Minato having to do much

Furthermore, he only needs one touch to end the fight due to permanent markings, which given his speed, intellect and potential distractions(ftg kunais, clones, ... ) is easier to happen.

And that's discounting things like ftg swap(which might allow him to get rid of Susanoo), ftg lvl 3 which we never got to see, sealing techniques, SM with summons(although not really in character for him, but amphibian technique might theoretically allow him to counter his SM duration issue)

In terms of portrayal as well, Itachi considered Obito(who he thought was Madara) as his superior mentor who needed the EMS to be surpassed, when Minato could beat him fast even while lacking knowledge, and being under pressure(Kushina/his newborn son, the Kyubi(the strongest biju), the village). Later in the war arc, he even got KCM which only happens if you manage to best your biju, and in the recent one shot, his potential was even compared to Hashirama's(god of shinobi), although he died too early to realize it

All to say that Minato is overall the superior fighter

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As for the Mihawk vs Shanks debate, Shanks has always been portrayed as a swordsman and Mihawk is the strongest swordsman.

But it's implied they never settled before Shanks lost his arm, and both grew stronger since then, with Oda always leaving it ambiguous.

So while there is more reason to view Mihawk as stronger, I'd not be surprised if Oda viewed them as equals. It might also depend on how Oda will develop the black blade stuff

Very true. I believe intel is extremely important. Minato is fucked if he doesn’t have intel. People also overestimate the speed gap between Itachi and Minato. He’s not that great outside of his FTG speed

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Very true. I believe intel is extremely important. Minato is fucked if he doesn’t have intel. People also overestimate the speed gap between Itachi and Minato. He’s not that great outside of his FTG speed

What is Itachi's best speed feat that you know of?

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

What is Itachi's best speed feat that you know of?

Clowning KCM1 Naruto and Bee (characters comparable to Raikage in terms of speed who’s in turn comparable to Minato) while telling them his moves, perception blitzing Nagato with Totsuka and the general Kabuto fight where he fought on par with EMS Sasuke and SM Kabuto. Minato is still faster overall obviously but pretending that itachi can’t hang with the speed is inaccurate.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Clowning KCM1 Naruto and Bee (characters comparable to Raikage in terms of speed who’s in turn comparable to Minato) while telling them his moves, perception blitzing Nagato with Totsuka and the general Kabuto fight where he fought on par with EMS Sasuke and SM Kabuto. Minato is still faster overall obviously but pretending that itachi can’t hang with the speed is inaccurate.

Did you bother reading the fight or are you framing opinions based on online comments from the likes of ZenZu? Lmfao

Also, I am asking for his best speed feat. A mele encounter isn't the best example of a speed feat. It's more of a reaction speed feat.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Yea the reason was there.

So what's the point of the comment then?

But why bother going to a length to neg Kakashi but leaving Jiraya scratchless lol.

Because Jiraiya is a believable enough excuse and for the plot. Naruto wasn't in danger when Itachi 'fought' Kakashi, but if he were to fight Jiraiya what's stopping them at that moment from capturing Naruto once Itachi inevitably wins? Nothing.

Not only that, Jiraya was capable breaking out from genjutsu from rinnegan, Far superior than Sharingan, not sure about Mangekyou abilities.

By the time Jiraiya even thinks of getting into Sage Mode, he'd have already been caught in Itachi's genjtusu.

The legendary sanins are not equal strong either lol, you can't tell me on straight face Tsunade is even remotely close Jiraya or Orochimaru, then why bother equating Jiraya to orochimaru.

I said Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya. You confused the comments.

Even if I were to assume, Itachi only did that warn Danzo.

Why would Kisame blindly trust Itachi words on Jiraya being that strong lol. This is same guy who's wasn't scared to go fight Eight tales and raikage simultaneously. Though lost but he had his own plans.

Due to the Sannin reputation. And once Kisame saw him in action he was wondering why they had to retreat with Itachi's power.




Itachi, Obito, Pain/Nagato, Minato, these are all the guys that operate on a much higher level than either of the Sannin. The Sannin are still strong, but nothing compared to the aforementioned guys.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Wasn't that part of the point with them or am I tripping

Even if that were the point with them, Mello is much more interesting and a better character than Near. Near is just an uninteresting charismaless, inferior version of L. Can't come close to the real thing. Mello's a breath of fresh air, more complex and interesting.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Even if that were the point with them, Mello is much more interesting and a better character than Near. Near is just an uninteresting charismaless, inferior version of L. Can't come close to the real thing. Mello's a breath of fresh air, more complex and interesting.

Do you also hate Misa

 

[MonsterKaido]

Both near and mello sucked imo. L was best by far. After L's death , there is drop in quality immediately.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Both near and mello sucked imo. L was best by far. After L's death , there is drop in quality immediately.

L is the best Death Note character but that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of other great characters lol
Near and Mello are good even if they can't replace the OG

 

[MonsterKaido]

L is the best Death Note character but that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of other great characters lol
Near and Mello are good even if they can't replace the OG

They are trash. Cope mald and seeth 🙈

 

[York]

How the fuck am I supposed to know how strong Itachi would be without his Crohn's flaring up. Might as well tell me to scale 2 Arms Shanks vs 3 Arms Mihawk

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

They are trash. Cope mald and seeth 🙈

Lol you like Kaido but not them?

 

[MonsterKaido]

Lol you like Kaido but not them?

Are you trying to force your opinions on me now?

 

[DonWick]

Shanks > Mihawk
Minato > Itachi