Powers & Abilities Shiki statement in the Databook blue deep
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Whitebeard's era doesnt mean WB>Shiki.
WB wasnt inferior to Roger despite the era being Roger's...
When it comes to manga, Shiki is clean, he never lost to anyone in 1vs1.
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WB wasnt inferior to Roger despite the era being Roger's...
When it comes to manga, Shiki is clean, he never lost to anyone in 1vs1.
Prime admiral Sengoku...
Easily Yonkou lvl, would love to see Sengoku in prime with his op devilfruit power.
Easily Yonkou lvl, would love to see Sengoku in prime with his op devilfruit power.
wat implication? All signs point to him being able to wipe out the Rogers pirates. unless ur arguing mass fodders is more valuable then multiple top tiers. I dnt see anything implying shiki individually weaker. It’s just u can’t match Rogers crew normally he’s cheating. Not the guy with fodder
Portrayal imo push him into the WB/Rogers convo. If ur stronger then Garps/sengoku u should be logically on the same lvl as Rogers. The gap not massive enough for that much room.
Shiki doesn’t even have a crew at this point. He literally just escaped prison. It’s been years since he’s been on the sea. This argument really bad imo.
Portrayal imo push him into the WB/Rogers convo. If ur stronger then Garps/sengoku u should be logically on the same lvl as Rogers. The gap not massive enough for that much room.
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Shiki doesn’t even have a crew at this point. He literally just escaped prison. It’s been years since he’s been on the sea. This argument really bad imo.
Nope, if you're pronounced as the King then you're above everyone else period. That's what being a PK means, a guy who stands above all other conquerors. Whitebeard was an exception; Oda made it clear by calling him an equal of Roger which never happened with Shiki. Not everyone is WB.
Yeah, Shiki must be Roger's equal because he almost wiped out one ship with a fleet of 50. Good luck proving Shiki's fleet is filled with fodder.
Not sure what this supposed to mean but Garp and Sengoku weren't a level below Roger/WB. They're weaker, but they're not a level below them. The same applies to Shiki.
Actually, Dr. Indigo and possibly a few others were still working for him. And it's not like he can't assemble his crew again or anything. The dude knows his place, and admitted the Era belongs to Roger's equal like a man.
Don't be delusional, my guy.
Yeah, Shiki must be Roger's equal because he almost wiped out one ship with a fleet of 50. Good luck proving Shiki's fleet is filled with fodder.
Not sure what this supposed to mean but Garp and Sengoku weren't a level below Roger/WB. They're weaker, but they're not a level below them. The same applies to Shiki.
Actually, Dr. Indigo and possibly a few others were still working for him. And it's not like he can't assemble his crew again or anything. The dude knows his place, and admitted the Era belongs to Roger's equal like a man.
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Don't be delusional, my guy.
PK title has nothing to do with their individual strength... Like literally nothing.
He found an island and treasure that WB wasnt even after...
Roger is the greatest in pirate achievements, which has no effect on his 1vs1 standing with WB/Shiki.
Shiki would never have been mentioned together in same breath with Roger and WB if he didnt deserve it.
Shiki wanted to rule the world, Roger didnt want that, WB neither. All 3 were after different things.
You cant compare them based on the goal of one of them...
Sure, WB has received more praise but that is an issue of Shiki barely ever being mentioned in the manga.
The little mention he has says that he was one of the 3 greatest pirates of that one specific era.
He found an island and treasure that WB wasnt even after...
Roger is the greatest in pirate achievements, which has no effect on his 1vs1 standing with WB/Shiki.
Shiki would never have been mentioned together in same breath with Roger and WB if he didnt deserve it.
Shiki wanted to rule the world, Roger didnt want that, WB neither. All 3 were after different things.
You cant compare them based on the goal of one of them...
Sure, WB has received more praise but that is an issue of Shiki barely ever being mentioned in the manga.
The little mention he has says that he was one of the 3 greatest pirates of that one specific era.
May be but being stated to be equal to WB by the author makes him equal to WB period.
Sure, PK title has nothing to do with strength yet WB's greatest hype is him being equal of even the pirate king. Idk what you're talking about, but Shiki was never mentioned in the same breath as Roger and WB. Shiki literally called Roger a wall that stood in front of them. Therefore, their objectives collided in one way or another. So even if WB was an exception because he was not interested, this doesn't apply to Shiki as he considered Roger an obstacle for him and he couldn't overcome him.
Sure, PK title has nothing to do with strength yet WB's greatest hype is him being equal of even the pirate king. Idk what you're talking about, but Shiki was never mentioned in the same breath as Roger and WB. Shiki literally called Roger a wall that stood in front of them. Therefore, their objectives collided in one way or another. So even if WB was an exception because he was not interested, this doesn't apply to Shiki as he considered Roger an obstacle for him and he couldn't overcome him.
No, his greatest hype is being equal to Roger who fell ill, got weaker and then became a PK...
PK as a strength title scales to whoever wields it. From Roger to Buggy, it is not a power level.
Pirate King is not making Roger, Roger is making the Pirate King.
Wall in front of them is a metaphor... He wasnt in their way lol. He didnt stop WB from achieving his dream nor Shiki from his.
Roger has never overcome Shiki either, unless you can tell me that he has defeated him in 1vs1?
He failed to persuade Roger to give him a location of Ancient Weapon in Edd War and a storm ended up saving Roger Pirates...
PK as a strength title scales to whoever wields it. From Roger to Buggy, it is not a power level.
Pirate King is not making Roger, Roger is making the Pirate King.
Wall in front of them is a metaphor... He wasnt in their way lol. He didnt stop WB from achieving his dream nor Shiki from his.
Roger has never overcome Shiki either, unless you can tell me that he has defeated him in 1vs1?
He failed to persuade Roger to give him a location of Ancient Weapon in Edd War and a storm ended up saving Roger Pirates...
If Shiki was anything special he’d have been more than an afterthought in the chapter where Sengoku explained who the Rocks Pirates were.
He is, in the actual manga, an irrelevance. He’s a guy Oda had ideas about, but never really managed to stick him into the story, and instead got put in a non-canon movie where he was beaten by pre-skip Luffy. There is not a single thing in the actual manga that suggests he was part of some legendary triumvirate with Roger and Whitebeard. Instead, he’s only slightly more important that Captain John- and apparently less in the fight against Roger and Garp than an apprentice, non-DF, Kaido was.
Chapter 0 is of very questionable canonicity, given that the last two pages lead directly into the movie which never happened in the manga, and it has never been reproduced in the volumes. You can buy every volume of One Piece and never read Chapter 0.
And Databook Blue was not a particularly accurate databook
His greatest fighting achievement- if canon- is to completely outnumber Roger, in a sea battle, where he had a very broken DF power, and still end up with a steering wheel rammed in his head while Roger got off scot free. Roger’s ship was in more danger than he was.
And to throw a ship at Marineford and get tossed in jail.
A myth of a legend which only exists as a desperate attempt to make a Naruto style parallel between Luffy/Law/Kid and Roger/Whitebeard/Shiki, which does not exist.
He’a strong, but there’s no reason to consider him in the same light as Roger or Whitebeard, and very little to put him above actual successes as pirates like Shanks, Big Mom, Kaido and Mihawk.
He is, in the actual manga, an irrelevance. He’s a guy Oda had ideas about, but never really managed to stick him into the story, and instead got put in a non-canon movie where he was beaten by pre-skip Luffy. There is not a single thing in the actual manga that suggests he was part of some legendary triumvirate with Roger and Whitebeard. Instead, he’s only slightly more important that Captain John- and apparently less in the fight against Roger and Garp than an apprentice, non-DF, Kaido was.
Chapter 0 is of very questionable canonicity, given that the last two pages lead directly into the movie which never happened in the manga, and it has never been reproduced in the volumes. You can buy every volume of One Piece and never read Chapter 0.
And Databook Blue was not a particularly accurate databook
His greatest fighting achievement- if canon- is to completely outnumber Roger, in a sea battle, where he had a very broken DF power, and still end up with a steering wheel rammed in his head while Roger got off scot free. Roger’s ship was in more danger than he was.
And to throw a ship at Marineford and get tossed in jail.
A myth of a legend which only exists as a desperate attempt to make a Naruto style parallel between Luffy/Law/Kid and Roger/Whitebeard/Shiki, which does not exist.
He’a strong, but there’s no reason to consider him in the same light as Roger or Whitebeard, and very little to put him above actual successes as pirates like Shanks, Big Mom, Kaido and Mihawk.