Powers & Abilities Shiki statement in the Databook blue deep
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In my vision it is probable that one reason why Shiki might not be fought again in the story is his unfettered potential. He is probably stronger than at least Current Garp if I had to bet and there are already many other challenges awaiting the SHs.
I would not be surprised an inch if he was slightly stronger than Garp in his Prime given his gargantuan hype.
I would not be surprised an inch if he was slightly stronger than Garp in his Prime given his gargantuan hype.
If Shiki was anything special he’d have been more than an afterthought in the chapter where Sengoku explained who the Rocks Pirates were.
He is, in the actual manga, an irrelevance. He’s a guy Oda had ideas about, but never really managed to stick him into the story, and instead got put in a non-canon movie where he was beaten by pre-skip Luffy. There is not a single thing in the actual manga that suggests he was part of some legendary triumvirate with Roger and Whitebeard. Instead, he’s only slightly more important that Captain John- and apparently less in the fight against Roger and Garp than an apprentice, non-DF, Kaido was.
Chapter 0 is of very questionable canonicity, given that the last two pages lead directly into the movie which never happened in the manga, and it has never been reproduced in the volumes. You can buy every volume of One Piece and never read Chapter 0.
And Databook Blue was not a particularly accurate databook
His greatest fighting achievement- if canon- is to completely outnumber Roger, in a sea battle, where he had a very broken DF power, and still end up with a steering wheel rammed in his head while Roger got off scot free. Roger’s ship was in more danger than he was.
And to throw a ship at Marineford and get tossed in jail.
A myth of a legend which only exists as a desperate attempt to make a Naruto style parallel between Luffy/Law/Kid and Roger/Whitebeard/Shiki, which does not exist.
He’a strong, but there’s no reason to consider him in the same light as Roger or Whitebeard, and very little to put him above actual successes as pirates like Shanks, Big Mom, Kaido and Mihawk.
He is, in the actual manga, an irrelevance. He’s a guy Oda had ideas about, but never really managed to stick him into the story, and instead got put in a non-canon movie where he was beaten by pre-skip Luffy. There is not a single thing in the actual manga that suggests he was part of some legendary triumvirate with Roger and Whitebeard. Instead, he’s only slightly more important that Captain John- and apparently less in the fight against Roger and Garp than an apprentice, non-DF, Kaido was.
Chapter 0 is of very questionable canonicity, given that the last two pages lead directly into the movie which never happened in the manga, and it has never been reproduced in the volumes. You can buy every volume of One Piece and never read Chapter 0.
And Databook Blue was not a particularly accurate databook
His greatest fighting achievement- if canon- is to completely outnumber Roger, in a sea battle, where he had a very broken DF power, and still end up with a steering wheel rammed in his head while Roger got off scot free. Roger’s ship was in more danger than he was.
And to throw a ship at Marineford and get tossed in jail.
A myth of a legend which only exists as a desperate attempt to make a Naruto style parallel between Luffy/Law/Kid and Roger/Whitebeard/Shiki, which does not exist.
He’a strong, but there’s no reason to consider him in the same light as Roger or Whitebeard, and very little to put him above actual successes as pirates like Shanks, Big Mom, Kaido and Mihawk.
Wait how’s fighting with mass fodder, keep being used as an excuse. For a guy with multiple top tiers on his ship?
Mihawk was causally slicing up dozens of ships In easy blue. Are we to believe Rayleigh/Rogers with no equal opposition, we’re at a massive disadvantage because “fodders”.
That’s as poor an excuse as it gets lol.
Mihawk was causally slicing up dozens of ships In easy blue. Are we to believe Rayleigh/Rogers with no equal opposition, we’re at a massive disadvantage because “fodders”.
That’s as poor an excuse as it gets lol.
SBS 55
D: Odacchi! Congratulations! They're doing another One Piece movie. But this time, it's your script, right? I'm really looking forward to it!! ...and, when I was watching the movie trailer on my computer I heard the word "Kinjishi" come up - but isn't that the flying pirate who broke out of jail 20 years ago that Sengoku mentioned in chapter 530!? There has to be some connection, right!?
O: Yes. "Kinjishi". Actually, I really wanted to have his name come up in the scene where Shirohige talks to Shanks in volume 45. But I thought at the draft level that I was handing out too much information and confusing the readers, so I took it away - but in my mind, I have determined that he is one of the legendary pirates who played a big part during Roger's time. Though I didn't think I'd make a movie about him. In any case, "Kinjishi" escaped from Impel Down, and now that 20 years have passed, he's finally starting to make a move, and that's what the movie is about. There's an announcement on page 192.
His backstory is canon
D: Odacchi! Congratulations! They're doing another One Piece movie. But this time, it's your script, right? I'm really looking forward to it!! ...and, when I was watching the movie trailer on my computer I heard the word "Kinjishi" come up - but isn't that the flying pirate who broke out of jail 20 years ago that Sengoku mentioned in chapter 530!? There has to be some connection, right!?
O: Yes. "Kinjishi". Actually, I really wanted to have his name come up in the scene where Shirohige talks to Shanks in volume 45. But I thought at the draft level that I was handing out too much information and confusing the readers, so I took it away - but in my mind, I have determined that he is one of the legendary pirates who played a big part during Roger's time. Though I didn't think I'd make a movie about him. In any case, "Kinjishi" escaped from Impel Down, and now that 20 years have passed, he's finally starting to make a move, and that's what the movie is about. There's an announcement on page 192.
His backstory is canon
The bias you have against Shiki is not aging well. He's well established as an absolute legend on Primebeard/Roger level in his prime, only admitted inferiority after losing both of his legs in impel down.
He has a canon backstory, multiple confrontations with WB and Roger. Several sources confirm his standing in Rogers's era, even Oda himself in an sbs.
Why did Oda let Sengoku mention Shiki when he talked about Rocks?
Why was he included as a Rocks pirate?
Why did the hag transform into Shiki?
Why was his silhouette shown during the Oden FB?
Oda clearly hasn't forgotten about him, but having no place for a character in the actual story line is different than being a filler movie villain.
The final nail has been the Ace novel confirming that Shiki, Roger and WB were in a power struggle against each other and that in a time where Linlin was in her physical prime.
He has a canon backstory, multiple confrontations with WB and Roger. Several sources confirm his standing in Rogers's era, even Oda himself in an sbs.
Why did Oda let Sengoku mention Shiki when he talked about Rocks?
Why was he included as a Rocks pirate?
Why did the hag transform into Shiki?
Why was his silhouette shown during the Oden FB?
Oda clearly hasn't forgotten about him, but having no place for a character in the actual story line is different than being a filler movie villain.
The final nail has been the Ace novel confirming that Shiki, Roger and WB were in a power struggle against each other and that in a time where Linlin was in her physical prime.
What do you mean? It’s aging better and better now that it’s becoming more obvious that Roger casually beat him with an Adv CoC storm.
Sengoku mentioned WB, BM, and Kaido as the heavy hitters of Rocks, and he grouped Shiki in with Silver Axe, Captain John, and Ouchoku. That’s a terrible look for a supposedly PK level character.
I don’t care about anything the databooks say. They’re lazily written, and Oda has already shown that he doesn’t care about what’s written in them
Sengoku mentioned WB, BM, and Kaido as the heavy hitters of Rocks, and he grouped Shiki in with Silver Axe, Captain John, and Ouchoku. That’s a terrible look for a supposedly PK level character.
I don’t care about anything the databooks say. They’re lazily written, and Oda has already shown that he doesn’t care about what’s written in them
Both of your points are literally headcanon. The Adv CoC storm can't be backed nor proven right with the manga. The official story is that a storm saved their asses while Shiki managed to corner Roger, Gaban and Rayleigh.
So are we continuing with the same ol shitty scaling characters with the people they were mentioned with?
Just as pointless ass scaling people per panels.
How was Shiki a Top 3 Guy in the new world when Big mom was in her physical prime ?
Doesn't make her look too good.
So are we continuing with the same ol shitty scaling characters with the people they were mentioned with?
Just as pointless ass scaling people per panels.
How was Shiki a Top 3 Guy in the new world when Big mom was in her physical prime ?
Doesn't make her look too good.
Yes it can. Shanks and WB were literally shown causing a storm to appear out of nowhere just from passively using their CoC. Why wouldn’t the Pirate King be able to do the same thing?
Shiki was hyped as being in Roger/WB level not in the manga, but only in the Ace novel and databooks, so that means nothing to me
Shiki was hyped as being in Roger/WB level not in the manga, but only in the Ace novel and databooks, so that means nothing to me
