Questions & Mysteries Shilliew/ Burgess vs Sanji/zoro

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  • sanji vs burgess

    Votes: 13 43.3%
  • zoro vs burgess

    Votes: 4 13.3%
  • sanji vs shilliew

    Votes: 9 30.0%
  • zoro v shilliew

    Votes: 21 70.0%

  • Total voters
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Inspector_Mu

#24
Based on the fact both are fighters , that's their roles in their crews!
Zoro meeting burgess and hearing his epithet name alone , had zoro question "champion?"

Both are FMs of their crews , Yes Burgess is likely Teach FM!

Shiryu has no build up with Zoro! Shiryu is yet to even meet Zoro.
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Teach pirates rely on Burgess when it comes to battles

Strawhats have Zoro as their best fighter (not counting Luffy)
 

TheAncientCenturion

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#25
Based on the fact both are fighters , that's their roles in their crews!
Zoro meeting burgess and hearing his epithet name alone , had zoro question "champion?"

Both are FMs of their crews , Yes Burgess is likely Teach FM!

Shiryu has no build up with Zoro! Shiryu is yet to even meet Zoro.
That’s the case with most BB pirates. So that’s a weak excuse. Much like TB with ryuma, Zoro will fight Shiryuu regardless of whether or not he’s the FM in name because Shiryuu is the FM position power wise.

Again, we’ll see the straw hats fight whoever represents them on the Blackbeard crew. A helmsmen will fight a helmsmen. Sniper sniper. Captain captain. Burgess is Jinbe’s opponent.
 
#26
After Oda made an embarassment out of Burgess against Sabo, it makes me laugh that some would think he'd fight future Zoro. Even Sanji fighting him would surprise me.

Franky vs Burgess sounds more likely at this point.

For Shiryu, I don't really know. He could fight Zoro or he could fight Sanji. In my opinion, Sanji will fight Shiryu and Zoro will fight a different powerhouse wildcard.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#27
After Oda made an embarassment out of Burgess against Sabo, it makes me laugh that some would think he'd fight future Zoro. Even Sanji fighting him would surprise me.

Franky vs Burgess sounds more likely at this point.

For Shiryu, I don't really know. He could fight Zoro or he could fight Sanji. In my opinion, Sanji will fight Shiryu and Zoro will fight a different powerhouse wildcard.
Franky is goin to fight Sajuan wolf, the battleship guyversus the battleship/Shogun.
 
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Inspector_Mu

#28
That’s the case with most BB pirates. So that’s a weak excuse. Much like TB with ryuma, Zoro will fight Shiryuu regardless of whether or not he’s the FM in name because Shiryuu is the FM position power wise.

Again, we’ll see the straw hats fight whoever represents them on the Blackbeard crew. A helmsmen will fight a helmsmen. Sniper sniper. Captain captain. Burgess is Jinbe’s opponent.
The final showdown between Teach and luffy will have a proper build up
Not just random stuff

You dont become FM coz you are strong lol
Shiryu is even 2nd ship commander for a reason!
Oda has been portraying Burgess as BB FM, someone that will grow and be the best fighter In that crew clearly

Burgess is a fighter and helmsman
It is not about sniper vs sniper/ whatever

It is about Teach/luffy vs Zoro/Burgess
Shiryu gets tossed vs Sanji

Oda has place it so since Pre TS, since Drum Island I suppose or whatever r
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After Oda made an embarassment out of Burgess against Sabo, it makes me laugh that some would think he'd fight future Zoro. Even Sanji fighting him would surprise me.

Franky vs Burgess sounds more likely at this point.

For Shiryu, I don't really know. He could fight Zoro or he could fight Sanji. In my opinion, Sanji will fight Shiryu and Zoro will fight a different powerhouse wildcard.
Burgess losing to Mera Sabo doesnt mwan DR zoro wouldn't get same treatment.

It is like thinking Luffy wont fight a top tier solo in th future coz he was an embarrassed vs Base Kaido.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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#32
The final showdown between Teach and luffy will have a proper build up
Not just random stuff

You dont become FM coz you are strong lol
Shiryu is even 2nd ship commander for a reason!
Oda has been portraying Burgess as BB FM, someone that will grow and be the best fighter In that crew clearly

Burgess is a fighter and helmsman
It is not about sniper vs sniper/ whatever

It is about Teach/luffy vs Zoro/Burgess
Shiryu gets tossed vs Sanji

Oda has place it so since Pre TS, since Drum Island I suppose or whatever r
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Burgess losing to Mera Sabo doesnt mwan DR zoro wouldn't get same treatment.

It is like thinking Luffy wont fight a top tier solo in th future coz he was an embarrassed vs Base Kaido.
Shiryuu has better portrayal and Oda is again setting these crews up to have mirror matches. We don’t know if being the 1st captain is anything like being a FM. Your headcanon. The wB pirates weren’t established with that hierarchy so you can’t assume here that the BB pirates are.
 
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stealthblack

#33
Shiryuu has better portrayal and Oda is again setting these crews up to have mirror matches. We don’t know if being the 1st captain is anything like being a FM. Your headcanon. The wB pirates weren’t established with that hierarchy so you can’t assume here that the BB pirates are.

marco has same position in the crew, first ship captain, just like Burgess. as in marco the new captain of wb pirates. shilliew doesn't have better portrayal. even if it was said he was on par with magellan, it was also said that shilliew FEARED magellan in the vivre card.
and based on portrayal jimbe was warlord, has biggest Bounty so none should be second after lufft other the him.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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#35
marco has same position in the crew, first ship captain, just like Burgess. as in marco the new captain of wb pirates. shilliew doesn't have better portrayal. even if it was said he was on par with magellan, it was also said that shilliew FEARED magellan in the vivre card.
and based on portrayal jimbe was warlord, has biggest Bounty so none should be second after lufft other the him.
But Ace was the second and Oda explicitly stated commander #’s doesn’t reflect strength or rank. It’s inconsequential that Marco is the first commander when taking that into account, so don’t try to translate that argument for burgess. Shiryuu’s hype is being more lethal than Magallen and his equal in battle. Being the most prominent prisoner from Level 6 to join Blackbeard as well. Burgess’ best showings is being weaker than pre Mera Sabo. It’s not close.
 
#37
It has been stated by Oda that all the Whitebeard commanders, no matter which division they are leading, are all equal in rank and the division number does not indicate their strength. But outside Ace, who was Luffy's brother and thus naturally received a lot of exposure, three of the commanders, Marco, Jozu, and Vista, have been given far more reverence and focus than the others.
 
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Inspector_Mu

#39
Shiryuu has better portrayal and Oda is again setting these crews up to have mirror matches. We don’t know if being the 1st captain is anything like being a FM. Your headcanon. The wB pirates weren’t established with that hierarchy so you can’t assume here that the BB pirates are.
WB commanders =/= BB COMMANDERS

Oda never stated that Bb division ranks arent stated in authority and power .

Once again
Burgess has a history with Zoro
Something Shiryu doesn't .

Shiryu has no better portrayal even, he cant even beat Moriah even with help lol what a joke
 
#40
Sanji fans always with the desire in which Sanji faces a stronger opponent than Zoro's opponent.

It never happened and never will happen.
Shiryu >>> Burges
Zoro vs. Shiryu.
Sanji vs Burges (maybe)

Still think he'll face Avalo Pizarro and Jinbe vs Burges

(@True God Moe This adds to the last discussion we had, take note Chicken wuss. :kata:)
He already have face stronger opponents than weak-ass Zoro. Come back when he stops fainting among NW to many enemies.

Actually Shiryu is his opponent while Zoro get Burgess as after all isn't there a rule you guys use for 'first mates need to fight each other' so yeah, that will happen for that and once again Sanji dealing with stronger opponent while Zoro need to survive before getting help :kata:.
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Sanji vs Shilliew
Jinbe vs Burgess
Zorovs Avalo Pizarro (nobody cares about him)
I agree with on that. Faint-Man should know his roll and stick to it.
 
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