Powers & Abilities Shiryu is the Second Strongest Blackbeard Pirate… According to Eiichiro Oda

WorstMan

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ImmaIvanoM said:
Kuzan is fighting Garp seriously. He’s literally using the attacks he used on Whitebeard on Garp

Drake wasn’t a real Beast pirate yet Oda said Drake is Tobi Roppo level… And Drake turned out to be Tobi Roppo level
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@WorstMan Oda knew Kuzan was a Blackbeard pirate when he made this statement… Are you gonna ignore that?

you want to say Oda lied right? Why? Why did Oda make this color spread to lie. And then after making this color spread, SIX months went by and he made a statement explaining this color spread in the SBS AND THEN LIED AGAIN

Why is Oda intentionally lying when no one forced him to? No one forced Oda to make this color page. And no one forced Oda to go back in the SBS SIX MONTHS LATER to explain this color spread that he was not forced to make and lie the entire time.

Seems like you want to make up what Oda was thinking
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Your answer is "Oda knew"? But we didn't know, unless you can show me somewhere that everyone in the community came to a consensus that the 10th commander was Aokiji?

Logically speaking, Shiryu being admiral level is outrageous. This guy has 0 feats to date, do you also know something that we don't? Please share some evidence other than this colour page where Kuzan wasn't yet revealed to be a BBP and was being saved for a later reveal.

I think you can request Oda to clarify this in a future SBS, now that he's given us more info. He would probably laugh and say "that was until...we know what we know now" such an Oda thing to do.
 
Paperchampion23

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Albino 👑 said:
Imagine unironically thinking shiryu is just as strong if not stronger than akainu
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But Aokiji and Akainu are not equal. Akainu won the fight lol

Watch, I guarantee you all this powerscaling talk is arbitrary. Its always based on story progression:

- BM herself is relative to Kaido, but has Weakest Commanders by virtue of their bounties (yeah yeah, something something bounties arent a determining factor, yet we all use it and dont when we want to)

- Kaido is relative to BM, but slightly stronger commanders by virtue of bounties and later plot relevancy

- Kizaru is probably relative to Kaido and BM, by virtue of being likely this arcs villain dor Luffy. He's not "YC" level when scaling to BM and Kaido's YCs. If he's relative Aokiji, then by virtue this means Blackbeard obviously is stronger than what is coming before (BM, Kaido, Kizaru)

- Blackbeard and Shanks are probably "more" relative to each other with stronger commanders than their counterparts (BM/Kaido) and are higher than BM/Kaido because hey hey, this is a shonen and thats how progression works. They probably WILL scale higher than shown Admirals (Aokiji, Kizaru, Fuji, Ryo), and Shiryu and Beckman in the least are relative to them, perhaps at bit stronger because of endgame scaling.

- Akainu probably also is relative to BB and Shanks. He defeated Aokiji and hes not "just" an Admiral. Depending on "when" Akainu is fought, and "if" Zoro and Sanji fight Fuji and Ryo, then these 2 may or may not be stronger than Shiryu and Beckman at least.

This is just frankly how the scaling will work in the end. If Luffy faces Kizaru, you know how the argument will go. If BB is after that and Zoro faces Shiryu while someone else fights Aokiji, then this becomes even more obvious. If then they fight Akainu, Fuji and Ryo after that, same deal. Wherever Shanks falls within this mess (whether or not its by Luffy or Blackbeard) will scale him properly.

The definition of YC is not the same for Blackbeard/Shanks as it is for BM and Kaido. The line between Admiral and Yonko is absolutely blurred. Some are weaker. Some are stronger, and it will depend where and when they are used.

This isnt even getting into the whole Kong/Gorosei/Im conversation, because we dont even know if they are powerful yet or as broken as people potentially think they are.

Guaranteed the whole concept of titles and known powerscaling is going in the garbage after Egghead. Watch.
 
Jailer

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Realistically he should ne but Oda so far has failed to portray him as such. Kuzan is stronger for now until proven otherwise. That cover isn't convincing enough for me, I need to see it, some omph, some hype moment. Garp vs Kuzan is a hype moment for Kuzan, not Shiryu who's doing nothing as of this moment.
 
WorstMan

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Shiryu is standing idly, will probably use his invisi powers to make a silent escape. Why would someone choose to have those powers? Probably care about being stealth and stabbing people in the back when they're not looking?

Can someone explain some other use cases for invisible powers for someone that's supposedly stronger than an admiral?
 
Paperchampion23

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WorstMan said:
Shiryu is standing idly, will probably use his invisi powers to make a silent escape. Why would someone choose to have those powers? Probably care about being stealth and stabbing people in the back when they're not looking?

Can someone explain some other use cases for invisible powers for someone that's supposedly stronger than an admiral?
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Because as we know it, Devil Fruit are not the end all be all in the series. Haki effectively counters any DF power in the end.

Its also extremely circumstantial. You have someone like Magellan whose powers wiped BB and his crew of 5 with no effort. Shiryu is apparenyl equal to Magellan (at the time, hes probably stronger). So was Shiryu stronger than BB and his entire crew then?
 
WorstMan

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Paperchampion23 said:
Because as we know it, Devil Fruit are not the end all be all in the series. Haki effectively counters any DF power in the end.

Its also extremely circumstantial. You have someone like Magellan whose powers wiped BB and his crew of 5 with no effort. Shiryu is apparenyl equal to Magellan (at the time, hes probably stronger). So was Shiryu stronger than BB and his entire crew then?
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My point about bringing devil fruits up is its a choice right?

Burgess has some power fruit, fits the theme of some big herculean figure, doc q has the curse fruits, fits the theme of spreading disease, the horse has some pegasus fruit, Pizaro is a former corrupt king so his powers of ruling over (literally) an island are fitting, van auger can transport as far as the eye can see (and he can see far due to being a sniper) Devon is cunning and so being devious with her appearance to lower someone's guard makes sense. If Blackbeard is reluctant to absorb Law's fruit as he probably wonders if that fits his style.

Then we have Shiryu who...wants to be invisible? Surprise attacks? Doesn't really scream to me what was originally touted for him, as a bloody thirsty jailer who can't help himself but to commit violence.
 
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WorstMan

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ImmaIvanoM said:
See I knew you’d make up some headcanon about Oda’s thought process because that’s all you have… The only thing you can think of is to say Oda is just lying about something no one forced him to lie about
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Has Oda ever retcon-ed something? If yes, then there's your answer. Maybe things like the silhouette of certain Yonkou perhaps in the early days?

Luffy's devil fruit abilities?
 
HA001

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WorstMan said:
Has Oda ever retcon-ed something? If yes, then there's your answer. Maybe things like the silhouette of certain Yonkou perhaps in the early days?

Luffy's devil fruit abilities?
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What does that have to do with anything ?

We've known about TEN titanic captains since dressrosa
It doesn't matter if we didn't know
Oda said out of all 10 captains shiryu is the strongest.
 
Paperchampion23

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WorstMan said:
My point about bringing devil fruits up is its a choice right?

Burgess has some power fruit, fits the theme of big some herculean figure, doc q has the curse fruits, fits the theme of spreading disease, the horse has some pegasus fruit, Pizaro is a former corrupt king so his powers of ruling over (literally) an island are fitting, van auger can transport as far as the eye can see (and he can see far due to being a sniper) Devon is cunning and so being devious with her appearance to lower someone's guard makes sense. If Blackbeard is reluctant to absorb Law's fruit as he probably wonders if that fits his style.

Then we have Shiryu who...wants to he invisible? Surprise attacks? Doesn't really scream to me what was originally touted for him, as a bloody thirsty jailer who can't help himself but to commit violence.
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I think him having what people consider an underwhelming DF relative to his #2 status is a complete testament to how strong he probably is then. This guy was equal to Magellan without a DF pre-TS.

We also have no idea how Shiryu will use the fruit vs Absalom. Theres also the fact that he'll likely have awakening to help differentiate its usage.
 
WorstMan

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HA001 OF THE RAIN said:
What does that have to do with anything ?

We've known about TEN titanic captains since dressrosa
It doesn't matter if we didn't know
Oda said out of all 10 captains shiryu is the strongest.
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I was replying to has Oda ever lied/mislead and I gave some examples, but all you guys are doing is wanting to believe that Shiryu is the strongest at a time when no one in the community accepted that Aokiji was the 10th commander, other than the odd guess from people.

I'm not going to remain stubborn though if Oda shows us some strength feats by him to suggest superiority.
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Paperchampion23 said:
I think him having what people consider an underwhelming DF relative to his #2 status is a complete testament to how strong he probably is then. This guy was equal to Magellan without a DF pre-TS.

We also have no idea how Shiryu will use the fruit vs Absalom. Theres also the fact that he'll likely have awakening to help differentiate its usage.
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Man, Oda couldn't even find creative ways for Kidd to use a magnetism power, you're thinking an invisibility power will have some creative uses, and awakening... probably make things he touches appear invisible
 
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