Powers & Abilities Shisui > Enma

[Cruxroux]

Zoro was explicitly excited how Enma would enhance his strength after seeing it's initial performance.
Zoro's "grandpa" explicitly said Enma was his masterpiece, better than Wado.
Both yonko were explicitly impressed solely with the aura emitted by Enma.
This is all crystal clear in the dialogue reiterated multiple times, stop the copium.

You just missed the whole point i made for shushui and foccused on things you wanted.
no one was impressed by the aura of enma it's zoro haki that enma absorbed. no sword has it's own haki to start with.
who tf ever denied kozaboro master piece was enma but did he make shishui? I didn't talk about wado.

 

[Law-sama]

Shisui can't break Enma, they're the same grade nor can it make its wielder stronger

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Enma doesn't let Zoro do anything he made the choice himself to supply it with all his haki against King. At best you can say Enma demands more haki to be satisfied which would be a fair take nothing more lol it's you Sanji and luffy fanboys who are delusional about what this sword really offers. In the end it's all about Zoro's own growth and haki that matters which was the reason for his growth

… read the rooftop and you see that Enma had unique auras around it whenever Zoro hurt Kaido. The one time he didn’t use that aura Zoro couldn’t hurt Kaido “I need to release this Enma more” is what he says. So yes it’s very likely Zoro wouldn’t be able to cut Kaido with Shusui.

Now as to the haki thing, Zoro never showed the ability to use that amount of haki without Enma. Enma unlocked that haki and made him stronger? Without Enma it’s unknown whether Zoro would ever have awakened his CoC and likely would never have KOH three sword style.

The idea that Shusui is a better blade is just coping man. Zoro himself said it plain as day.

 

[Cruxroux]

Zoro was explicitly excited how Enma would enhance his strength after seeing it's initial performance.
Zoro's "grandpa" explicitly said Enma was his masterpiece, better than Wado.
Both yonko were explicitly impressed solely with the aura emitted by Enma.
This is all crystal clear in the dialogue reiterated multiple times, stop the copium.

Wado and Enma are same grade swords btw

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… read the rooftop and you see that Enma had unique auras around it whenever Zoro hurt Kaido. The one time he didn’t use that aura Zoro couldn’t hurt Kaido “I need to release this Enma more” is what he says. So yes it’s very likely Zoro wouldn’t be able to cut Kaido with Shusui.

Now as to the haki thing, Zoro never showed the ability to use that amount of haki without Enma. Enma unlocked that haki and made him stronger? Without Enma it’s unknown whether Zoro would ever have awakened his CoC and likely would never have KOH three sword style.

The idea that Shusui is a better blade is just coping man. Zoro himself said it plain as day.

He said he wanted to release more of enma. tf does that even mean? He was just talking about releasing more of his haki through enma. same can be done with Shushui. only fact is shushui doesn't go berserk like enma.

Unlocking coc through enma? Sounds absurd. Oden was using enma for long time until whitebeard came to wano. and oden knew nothing of adcoc until then given his suprise for roger and wb clash. Enma isn't the reason he unlocked coc. he always had it and it was dormant.

 

[WesMidnight]

You just missed the whole point i made for shushui and foccused on things you wanted.
no one was impressed by the aura of enma it's zoro haki that enma absorbed. no sword has it's own haki to start with.
who tf ever denied kozaboro master piece was enma but did he make shishui? I didn't talk about wado.

How does Enma absorb haki if it definitely "has no haki of it's own"- you don't know how Enma "works" anymore than the rest of us.
This is a world where cursed swords exist, where Klaubautermann exist etc.

Wado, Shusui and Enma are all of the same grade and Enma>Wado as per it's creator's words, you claiming Shusui is better than Enma is against manga fact.

Enma clearly has better performance than any other we've seen in terms of being able to amplify power, to deny this is to call Zoro the biggest retard in fiction, choosing a sword with, in your delusional mind, zero performance benefits but only negative side effects.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Wado and Enma are same grade swords btw

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He said he wanted to release more of enma. tf does that even mean? He was just talking about releasing more of his haki through enma. same can be done with Shushui. only fact is shushui doesn't go berserk like enma.

Unlocking coc through enma? Sounds absurd. Oden was using enma for long time until whitebeard came to wano. and oden knew nothing of adcoc until then given his suprise for roger and wb clash. Enma isn't the reason he unlocked coc. he always had it and it was dormant.

He said he wanted to release more of Enma… that means exactly what it sounds like, he needed to allow himself to use more of Enmas power and draw out more haki than he could without it. It’s literally written in the manga.

And yeah… Zoro literally unlocked his conquerors haki because Enma forced it out? Like, that’s just canon in the story.

 

[WesMidnight]

Wado and Enma are same grade swords btw

Post automatically merged: Jul 3, 2022

He said he wanted to release more of enma. tf does that even mean? He was just talking about releasing more of his haki through enma. same can be done with Shushui. only fact is shushui doesn't go berserk like enma.

Unlocking coc through enma? Sounds absurd. Oden was using enma for long time until whitebeard came to wano. and oden knew nothing of adcoc until then given his suprise for roger and wb clash. Enma isn't the reason he unlocked coc. he always had it and it was dormant.

Why did he feel the need to release through Enma rather than either of the other two swords that he had far more control of?
Why did Kaidou recognize the aura of the blade as similar to Oden's?
Why did big Mom say "that's no ordinary sword"?
The amount of fucking delusional copium you need to circumvent the fact that Enma is a buff is ridiculous. bad faith debater.

 

[mly90]

… read the rooftop and you see that Enma had unique auras around it whenever Zoro hurt Kaido. The one time he didn’t use that aura Zoro couldn’t hurt Kaido “I need to release this Enma more” is what he says. So yes it’s very likely Zoro wouldn’t be able to cut Kaido with Shusui.

Now as to the haki thing, Zoro never showed the ability to use that amount of haki without Enma. Enma unlocked that haki and made him stronger? Without Enma it’s unknown whether Zoro would ever have awakened his CoC and likely would never have KOH three sword style.

The idea that Shusui is a better blade is just coping man. Zoro himself said it plain as day.

Zoro was overrestricting his usage of haki with Enma that's why he said he needed to release more of it as he couldn't afford to be cautious with his haki against two emprrors. The aura is most likely the visual demo of the sword draining more of Zoro's own haki when he lacked complete mastery that is Enma's power to drain the user lol. Zoro hurt Kaido with Ashura without that aura it was there temporarily before regaining control of his haki as we can see, all his swords all equally coated when he unleashes it. We have beaten this topic to death it's time you insecure fanboys really move on Enma is fully dependent on the user's own ability and haki

 

[comrade]

They are the highest class of swords, but it doesn't mean any black blade is superior to any non black blade. It's like with the Logia class. Logias are considered the strongest class, yet there will be Paramecia powers superior to Logia powers. Enma here has greater portrayal due to its power to draw out excessive amounts of the users Ryuo.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Shusui is a physically stronger blade, since it's a Black Blade, but I believe Enma has been shown to have the most raw destructive force out of any of Zoro's blades.

We'll find out which is stronger when Zoro turns Enma into a black blade by killing Zombie Kaido.

 

[mly90]

And yeah… Zoro literally unlocked his conquerors haki because Enma forced it out? Like, that’s just canon in the story.

Completely your own head canon lol Enma draws out the users ryuo/CoA he unlocked his coc on his own

 

[humanbeing2022]

Zoro's own ability and his own haki enabled him to hurt Kaido.

read the page correctly , it doesn't need your head canon :D he had 3 swords but only Enma hurt Kaido and Kaido commented on that . being Zoro fan , make some people blind.

 

[mly90]

read the page correctly , it doesn't need your head canon :D he had 3 swords but only Enma hurt Kaido and Kaido commented on that . being Zoro fan , make some people blind.

Show me where he says Only Enma was able to hurt him he just noticed the presence of haki from it which makes sense given his trauma about the man. Zoro would have gone with 1 swordstyle if that was the case, i mean for what reason would he keep using his 2 other swords coating them to waste even more haki unnecessarily when Enma alone took such a toll on him. You meant to say Zoro haters are so butthurt they can't digest he has always had a monstrous AP lol. You saw the man bisecting town sized golem in dressrosa with zero effort what did you think would happen when he grew even stronger

 

[humanbeing2022]

Show me where he says Only Enma was able to hurt him he just noticed the presence of haki from it which makes sense given his trauma about the man. Zoro would have gone with 1 swordstyle if that was the case, i mean for what reason would he keep using his 2 other swords coating them to waste even more haki unnecessarily when Enma alone took such a toll on him. You meant to say Zoro haters are so butthurt they can't digest he has always had a monstrous AP lol. You saw the man bisecting town sized golem in dressrosa with zero effort what did you think would happen when he grew even stronger

Zoro is 3 sword style user , also his ein sword and 2 sword style are not that good , and if you don't see Kaido saying that it hurts and that it is Oden's sword than for sure either you are blind or don't want to read . so quit blaming me for Oda's statement in his manga.

 

[mly90]

Zoro is 3 sword style user , also his ein sword and 2 sword style are not that good , and if you don't see Kaido saying that it hurts and that it is Oden's sword than for sure either you are blind or don't want to read . so quit blaming me for Oda's statement in his manga.

Zoro bisected the Onigashima horn with hiryu Kaen that was 1 swordstyle move. He used dealy lions song against King later on some of his strongest move are his ittoryu style moves. Same goes for 2 swordstyle how does it make sense for Zoro to waste his haki on useless swords when he can use it all on just Enma to fight Kaido that way. Big mom said Zoro cut Kaido not that enma was the reason lol you are the blind reader here

 

[Blazing Lion]

Shusui was generally better (overall no drawbacks) but Enma has a higher ceiling and allowed Zoro to unleash more power. We have yet to really see how Zoro handles Enma after unlocking ACoC. Shusui has one big advantage though over Enma though and that is that it is a blackened blade, nigh indestructible, able to withstand immense force. The page about blades/weapons clearly shows the advantage of having this toughness. Just like the exoskeleton allowed Sanji to unleash more heat the same is true for weapons, the strongest warriors like WB and Kaido need the strongest weapons like Murakomugiri and Kaidos Kanabo to channel the strength of these characters without the weapons breaking down themselves. So a black blade in the hands of a strong swordsman is comparatively more powerful than a non-black blade where the sword/blade may become the limiting factor.

Does Enma increase Zoro's attack power? Yes, it does by releasing or allowing Zoro to release more haki in the attack. May deplete haki pool too quickly for the user's comfort.
Does Enma have any drawbacks? Yes it does. It sucks haki without permission and can go crazy leading the swordsman to lose focus during the fight.
Does Shusui provide something that Enma does not? Yes it does. Shusui does not require Zoro to keep providing haki to block attacks which may break the sword.


I think the other advantage of a black blade for a swordsman is that swordsmen like Zoro and Mihawk who have very high AP and can finish a fight in minimum attacks don't really have to worry about using haki to defend against attacks. A black blade is not going to break so instead of reinforcing it with their own haki and depleting their haki pool, the swordsman can focus more on unleashing more haki in their attacks. Black blades become sort of an indestructible armor where you don't need to focus on strengthening its defenses while using it to block against an attack.

 

[m0nst3Rx]

Shisui can't break Enma, they're the same grade nor can it make its wielder stronger

shisui breaks rogers Ace 12 supreme grade sword ez

They are the highest class of swords, but it doesn't mean any black blade is superior to any non black blade. It's like with the Logia class. Logias are considered the strongest class, yet there will be Paramecia powers superior to Logia powers. Enma here has greater portrayal due to its power to draw out excessive amounts of the users Ryuo.

Oda said blackblades are elite swords among the all swords in the world which make 2nd Grade Shisui >>> 12 Supreme Grade non blackblade Sword

 

[comrade]

shisui breaks rogers Ace 12 supreme grade sword ez

Outside of Haki? Yes. But a supreme grade blade reinforced with Haki (which is a swordsman bread and butter, as Ryuo allows the user to become one with his blade) would beat a great grade sword, if otherwise all parameters are the same. With beat I don't necessarily mean in terms of which blade breaks which, but in terms of attack potency and sharpness.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

this ability enabled Zoro to hurt Kaido and you think it should be ignored?

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the panel never stated it's the ability of the Enma , also are you brain dead ? it's A 3 SWORDS STYLE attack

 

[Finalbeta]

I bet the reason Zoro could not control its power properly was due lack of mastery rather than ultra giga power. The real deal was likely just about the training itself.