Theory Sir Crocodile

#1
I will freely admit that this is barely a theory, more of a passing thought (accompanied by a string of baseless speculation) that I just wanted to get out there.

The facts:
-He goes by Sir Crocodile, the title of a knight.
-There is only one major order of knights in the story to my recollection, those being God's Knights.
(I could add that Doflamingo acts very chummy around him but that seems more like 'mingo being 'mingo to me)

The theory:
-Ergo, Crocodile is the son of one of God's Knights. End of theory.

Problem:
-That would make him the son of a Celestial Dragon, unless God's Knights accept commoners which seems unlikely. Bonney was presumably under WG protection due to her relation to Saturn while Crocodile to my knowledge is treated to no such privilege.

Baseless speculation to defend my case:
-Crocodile could be hiding his identity.
-Maybe Bonney is not under WG protection but rather Sakazuki knows she's a child (and one that his only friend cares about besides) and came down with a rare case of scruples.

Now here comes some sillier stuff after my thinking about things a little more.
Additional facts:
-Crocodile seems to hate the Marines but it could be the World Government in general, who are of course owned by the Celestial Dragons. I checked to the best of my ability whether he actually mentioned the Marines after saving Ace and it seems to have just been something in the vein of "you people" rather than the Marines in specific.
-He seems to take umbrage with the WG idea of "justice" in specific, e.g. the following two things:
--This quote: "Dogs that run away to lick their wounds have no right to speak of justice. That is a rule of this sea. Now, why don't you go back to your Marine headquarters and discuss your justice some more?"
--The aforementioned stopping of Ace's execution stops them from enacting this "justice" in what could be taken as some very blunt symbolism.
-Tragic backstories in One Piece are like 80% or more about a character's mum dying in some horrible way to motivate their behaviour going forward. Source: I've read One Piece.

Fanfiction:
Crocodile's mum was one of God's Knights, but she fell in love and had a child with someone below her station, probably a pirate. The CDs took umbrage with this and she was executed while Crocodile himself had to go on the run. Due to this he hates the CDs and WG and takes particular offense at their idea of justice.

All of this ultimately stems from the "Sir" in Sir Crocodile, I will remind you, so I haven't exactly gone deep into the weeds. There may be holes beyond belief but I felt like sharing it anyway.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#2
-That would make him the son of a Celestial Dragon, unless God's Knights accept commoners which seems unlikely.
It may not be a problem.
It is nowhere said that Holy Knights are Celestial Dragons specifically or CDs only.
Remember that mother Carmel said Big Mom could be the strongest shield CDs would ever need.

I have pointed it out before that Crocodile's reply to Doffy wanting to be partners would imply equality while Croc says they are not equals which would mean that Crocodile is a son of someone who stands above CDs... At the time I was guessing that he could be the son of Imu but I wouldn't bet on that anymore.

Also, as you said, he is hiding his identity or rather we weren't given a real name for him as both Sir and Crocodile don't provide a name but only a title and the animal that all Warlords share. He doesn't have an actual name.
He is one of the bigger mysteries so far and he also didn't receive any flashback.

Considering that Ivankov knows something, Crocodile could have been on God Valley too...
 
#5
The thought was it would be an alias that alludes to his identity in the vein of a Mr. Prince, but I'm happy to cede this since Crocodile doesn't have the type of cheek that Sanji does. I could try and counter by saying that "sir" isn't necessarily a title for knights in One Piece like it is in England but that also makes the theory itself weaker, so that doesn't really help me.
 
#6
It may not be a problem.
It is nowhere said that Holy Knights are Celestial Dragons specifically or CDs only.
Remember that mother Carmel said Big Mom could be the strongest shield CDs would ever need.
This could be true. I guess I just think it would be a bit weird for anyone outside of the CDs to be granted any authority to mediate conflicts between them, even if they're under orders from a Saint.
I have pointed it out before that Crocodile's reply to Doffy wanting to be partners would imply equality while Croc says they are not equals which would mean that Crocodile is a son of someone who stands above CDs... At the time I was guessing that he could be the son of Imu but I wouldn't bet on that anymore.
This is an interesting angle to consider, though I think once again that it makes it difficult for Crocodile to not be from the Holy Land which brings the issue back. Then again I kinda forgot Doffy himself was only under any protection because of the blackmail so if Crocodile's a big enough pirate then maybe being CD-descended wouldn't do anything for him anyway.
I can see why you'd have guessed Imu, though at this point I wouldn't bet on it either. I did sort of lock in on the dead mum idea, mainly because it's funny to me, but if I were to pick any named World Noble to be a parent of Crocodile I guess I'd refer back to the justice thing (which is admittedly flimsy) and go with Warcury.
Considering that Ivankov knows something, Crocodile could have been on God Valley too...
I've also thought this, but really the extent to which I've thought about it is that it fits with something of a pattern of characters running into life-changing circumstances at 8-10 years old. I don't think my thought process there holds much water but I'm sure there's a case to be made. If I were to tie it back to the general principle of this thread I'd say (fanfiction time again) maybe his mum/dad brought him there and upon being exposed to the cruelty of the nobles in full he came to question his place in the whole thing.
 
#7
If We think about it, those Knights go by "God's Knights"
And Celestial Dragons also call themselves "Gods"
Yet We saw Garling Execute a Celestial Dragon, this means that their Title doesn't refer to being Knights of Celestial Dragons
They actually serve another "God"

Also Nefertari Family agreed to Team Up with other 19
They agreed to Create World Government, They agreed to be Part of Levely
But They didn't agree to Live in Mary Geoise

This means that their Problem was with Mary Geoise itself, or it's People
And if those People were gonna end up being Subordinates or under Authority of Celestial Dragons, then They wouldn't bother Nefertari

It's clear to me that God's Knights are not Celestial Dragons, They are Rulers of Mary Geoise & They have Higher Authority than CDs
People are confused about this, cuz it's said that Gorosei are Highest Authority in WG & They are Celestial Dragons.
But God's Knights are not Part of World Government so They don't fall under Gorosei's Authority or any Celestial Dragon

So Crocodile might be a Former God's Knight, that's why He acts like He is above Everyone else (Including Doflamingo)
And the Fact that He lost his Hand & not his Arm suggests that it wasn't Lost in Combat, He was probably Punished for a Crime, He tried to Steal something, and i believe God's Knights do not get Executed, They are only Exiled

I believe Mary Geoise is Anti-Elbaf Kingdom
Just like Black Drum Kingdom is Dark Version of Drum Kingdom
 
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Borasey79

#10
I'm also more of Crocodile being a God's knight, rather then being a son of them. Only Ivankov knows his secret!
She-Croc was a knight.
Then she ran away and had Iva change her gender.
The 'sir' is a secondary disguise, so that nobody could think Croc isn't a man.
 
#12
I'm also more of Crocodile being a God's knight, rather then being a son of them. Only Ivankov knows his secret!
Yeah I think I've shifted this direction too; like I said, even if it was joking to a degree, I assume any given One Piece backstory is going to involve a dead mum somewhere and for Croc I definitely already assumed the WG killed her so this God's Knight thing basically got tacked onto that.
 
#13
She-Croc was a knight.
Then she ran away and had Iva change her gender.
The 'sir' is a secondary disguise, so that nobody could think Croc isn't a man.
With Iva's fruit, it's not only genderswapping. Lot's of other things are possible with hormones. So Croco being a lady, I'm not a fan.
 
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