General & Others Skip Oden Flashback. Get to the War
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Seriously? SO MANY OTHER THINGS. The SHs, Elbaf, Raftel, Brooks bone jokes, etc...
Also yeah there’s Oden hype, but Oden or no Oden, this war is already jam packed with meaning
Kaido, after plummeting down from Earth, screamed to the heavens demanding a war to end all wars.
Almost all the big players laid out in Doffys throne wars speech are in place, along with bunches of hidden monsters
The alliance has forces.
The SHs got their power ups.
The snake Orochi has made his move.
Scores need to be settled
Shits bursting at the seams
Oda, Let it out. And PLEASE LET THERE BE TONS OF APOO:poop:
Also yeah there’s Oden hype, but Oden or no Oden, this war is already jam packed with meaning
Kaido, after plummeting down from Earth, screamed to the heavens demanding a war to end all wars.
Almost all the big players laid out in Doffys throne wars speech are in place, along with bunches of hidden monsters
The alliance has forces.
The SHs got their power ups.
The snake Orochi has made his move.
Scores need to be settled
Shits bursting at the seams
Oda, Let it out. And PLEASE LET THERE BE TONS OF APOO:poop:
Really? I don't see how Ryuma's flashback would be important oit side of the black blades business... the only other way it would be important is if those theories about Kaido having a relationship to the Dragon Ryuma cut down is true
Maybe something will be brought up later on with Ryuma having some other plot relevance but as of now it mostly only pertains to Zoro and that's if Ryuma is first of all related Zoro even or its a way of introducing the creation of black blades which surely can't be a big deal before the end of the arc since Zoro won't be making black blades this arc
What's more to tell regarding Gyukimaru? And how would he matter in whether Ryuma gets a flashback or shusui appears in the plot? Zoro, Kawamatsu and Hiyori all know shusui is in Ryuma's temple so all they have to do is go there at the end of the andri
This is similar to how yubashiri was buried on thriller bark at the end of the arc... shusui and Ryuma's Grave will be revisited At the end of the arc
And there is in fact a reason why shusui isn't used for battles... its a holy relic... is like burning Jesus' s cross for fire wood just coz it's cold out... No way religious items are just tampered with just because they have pragmatic uses for them...
In fact the only way for Shusui to be pulled out of retirement is if Zoro or someone somehow ascends to Ryuma's godhood and earns the sword... But theories about Zoro becoming the new sword god in this vey arc soon became more impossible given that Oden was introduced as being such a ridiculously strong guy and yet even he isn't a Sword god so Ryuma's godhood might be a feat way beyond Zoro in just this arc
So you would've been fine with Ennies lobby without the Robin flashback? Or MarineFord without any flashback of Ace or Whitebeard... As long as there's a bunch of guys ready to fight in present day, we don't need any context for why they are fighting
Maybe something will be brought up later on with Ryuma having some other plot relevance but as of now it mostly only pertains to Zoro and that's if Ryuma is first of all related Zoro even or its a way of introducing the creation of black blades which surely can't be a big deal before the end of the arc since Zoro won't be making black blades this arc
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What's more to tell regarding Gyukimaru? And how would he matter in whether Ryuma gets a flashback or shusui appears in the plot? Zoro, Kawamatsu and Hiyori all know shusui is in Ryuma's temple so all they have to do is go there at the end of the andri
This is similar to how yubashiri was buried on thriller bark at the end of the arc... shusui and Ryuma's Grave will be revisited At the end of the arc
And there is in fact a reason why shusui isn't used for battles... its a holy relic... is like burning Jesus' s cross for fire wood just coz it's cold out... No way religious items are just tampered with just because they have pragmatic uses for them...
In fact the only way for Shusui to be pulled out of retirement is if Zoro or someone somehow ascends to Ryuma's godhood and earns the sword... But theories about Zoro becoming the new sword god in this vey arc soon became more impossible given that Oden was introduced as being such a ridiculously strong guy and yet even he isn't a Sword god so Ryuma's godhood might be a feat way beyond Zoro in just this arc
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So you would've been fine with Ennies lobby without the Robin flashback? Or MarineFord without any flashback of Ace or Whitebeard... As long as there's a bunch of guys ready to fight in present day, we don't need any context for why they are fighting
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OP why don't you try a social experiment to the benefor of us all you included? Don't read the Oden flashback and restart to read OP when the flashback ends (and at that point don't read it back) then at the end of Wano you will recollect how many grey/black areas there were because you skipped the flashback.
Never really thought of that before now. Yes totally fine. Both cases. Robins meh to me & less talky more Quake Quake please
But both of those flashbacks had better timing in the story. They happened in the midst of things, not right before stuff got going
Yes. 10000% that. Tell me where the freaks at
Context: They’re enemies.
Fight time
But both of those flashbacks had better timing in the story. They happened in the midst of things, not right before stuff got going
Yes. 10000% that. Tell me where the freaks at
Context: They’re enemies.
Fight time
Not entirely true. You gotta remember what Onimaru was telling Zoro about Ryuuma and the land of Wano in the past. It used to be "the city of gold"
ryuuma stood his ground against the invasion of the World Government according to what Onimaru said.
And what's more interesting is that because of Ryuuma's legendary reputation, WG and Marines do not set foot in Wano casually anymore.
When we bring WG into story, City of Gold, Ryuuma, all of them combined in one story, I'm sure that would make a nice flashback.
Ryuuma definitely was a warrior who defended Wano successfully from invaders long ago. And I'm not gonna lie, it sounds even more similar to Calgara back in the day. Some people may think that Ryuuma was defending the "city of gold". But I bet it was just a diversion from Oda once again, cause Calgara and those warrior shandians were not protecting gold, they were in fact protecting a poneglyph.
Considering Wano is the land were poneglyph was created, I'll be damned if Oda didn't give any history tying all that shit up.
Or maybe I am a better writer than he is hahahahaha, but yeah, overall, a lot of hints points towards a backstory about Wano at ancient times, and Ryuuma being incorporated in that story is the best way for Oda to display Ryuuma
ryuuma stood his ground against the invasion of the World Government according to what Onimaru said.
And what's more interesting is that because of Ryuuma's legendary reputation, WG and Marines do not set foot in Wano casually anymore.
When we bring WG into story, City of Gold, Ryuuma, all of them combined in one story, I'm sure that would make a nice flashback.
Ryuuma definitely was a warrior who defended Wano successfully from invaders long ago. And I'm not gonna lie, it sounds even more similar to Calgara back in the day. Some people may think that Ryuuma was defending the "city of gold". But I bet it was just a diversion from Oda once again, cause Calgara and those warrior shandians were not protecting gold, they were in fact protecting a poneglyph.
Considering Wano is the land were poneglyph was created, I'll be damned if Oda didn't give any history tying all that shit up.
Or maybe I am a better writer than he is hahahahaha, but yeah, overall, a lot of hints points towards a backstory about Wano at ancient times, and Ryuuma being incorporated in that story is the best way for Oda to display Ryuuma
Well wasn't the point of thevflashback explaining Noland not being a liar and how the fairy verth got into Skypiea... Surely there's nothing You expect in the Ryuma flashback to be that important
Like of course its possible for Oda to be keeping his cards to his chest and his waiting to pull out a twist that Ryuma has some very serious direct connection to the events that happened now but as of now that's very unclear... In fact let me help you out and list as many things as we know now that are related to Ryuma and could come up
First of all, Wano was apparently the country of gold during Ryuma's time, and there's this "white gold" in Oden's flashback BUT NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN IMPORTANT IN THE CURRENT STORY
The only other characters we know existed in Ryuma's story are the dragon he cuts down and the World nobles who try to invade wano but again none of the current stories are related to World Nobles and the Dragons in the current story are all just devil fruits
Ryuma is the apparent ancestor originator of the Shimotsuki clan. But so what? The Shimotsuki clan is important sure but what's their history matter? It's the Kozuki who have a history of passing on he information and methods of making poneglyphs... We don't know anything about the Shimotsuki clan passing on any secret techniques or anything so why would their specfically ancestry mater to the current plot
Ryuma's sword shusui is the last and most important thing about Ryuma and it's been kicked out of the plot already and all indications points to it on mattering at the very end of the arc
I mean as of now there's so little that requires a ryuma flashback... at this point it just seems like fanservice to include it given how little it's actually needed
You must love fairy tail... you are basically describing Fairy tail's plot
Like of course its possible for Oda to be keeping his cards to his chest and his waiting to pull out a twist that Ryuma has some very serious direct connection to the events that happened now but as of now that's very unclear... In fact let me help you out and list as many things as we know now that are related to Ryuma and could come up
First of all, Wano was apparently the country of gold during Ryuma's time, and there's this "white gold" in Oden's flashback BUT NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN IMPORTANT IN THE CURRENT STORY
The only other characters we know existed in Ryuma's story are the dragon he cuts down and the World nobles who try to invade wano but again none of the current stories are related to World Nobles and the Dragons in the current story are all just devil fruits
Ryuma is the apparent ancestor originator of the Shimotsuki clan. But so what? The Shimotsuki clan is important sure but what's their history matter? It's the Kozuki who have a history of passing on he information and methods of making poneglyphs... We don't know anything about the Shimotsuki clan passing on any secret techniques or anything so why would their specfically ancestry mater to the current plot
Ryuma's sword shusui is the last and most important thing about Ryuma and it's been kicked out of the plot already and all indications points to it on mattering at the very end of the arc
I mean as of now there's so little that requires a ryuma flashback... at this point it just seems like fanservice to include it given how little it's actually needed
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Never really thought of that before now. Yes totally fine. Both cases. Robins meh to me & less talky more Quake Quake please
But both of those flashbacks had better timing in the story. They happened in the midst of things, not right before stuff got going
Yes. 10000% that. Tell me where the freaks at
Context: They’re enemies.
Fight time
But both of those flashbacks had better timing in the story. They happened in the midst of things, not right before stuff got going
Yes. 10000% that. Tell me where the freaks at
Context: They’re enemies.
Fight time
Not really something you can complain about. One Piece flashbacks are usually triggered during emotional moments. Kinemon's desire to take back Wano from Kaido despite the dismal odds is the perfect lead in to Oden's backstory since it will explain why Kinemon is so desperate to defend the Kozuki family name.
If it bothers you so much you can just ignore One Piece until December and then binge read. Unlikely we'll get more than seven or eight chapters for this, and then it's right back to the action.
If it bothers you so much you can just ignore One Piece until December and then binge read. Unlikely we'll get more than seven or eight chapters for this, and then it's right back to the action.
I already explained.
It'll be related to WG invading Wano long ago according to Onimaru, and Ryuuma stopping the foreginers from invading trying to protect the City of Gold which Onimaru talked about to Zoro. And Ryuuma along with other Samurai probably were protecting a poneglyph (just like Shandians did, the city of gold in Skypea was not what they are protecting, but rather the poneglyph itself)
I daresay that Wano became isolationist because of their overprotectiveness over the poneglyph they have.
Afterall, Wano is the land where Poneglyphs were created. And it's a land of many secrets and mysteries, even Sengoku emphasized that to Akainu about Wano.
So, it will be a flashback that has those certain points:
1- Kozoki Clan and Zunisha's curse.
2- City of Gold
3- The kozoki skill as stonemasons creating Poneglyphs.
4- WG invading Wano while Ryuuma standing in their way, and basically made WG fears Wano for hundreds of years and basically Ryuuma became like a God to Wano because he stopped WG
5- Wano becoming an isolationist.
I have a feeling that Robin might be the key to opening Wano's borders, just like she told Skypeans that the poneglyph they had served its purpose.
And the old geezer cried and said that "there is no need for fighting anymore"
I think the same will be applied here in that the poneglyph in Wano would have served its purpose by the time Robin reads it, thus Wano's obligation to stay protecting it is NO MORE NEEDED. Thus, the reason it became isolated long ago will no more be needed, allowing its borders to open and elders of Wano accepting it without complaints
It'll be related to WG invading Wano long ago according to Onimaru, and Ryuuma stopping the foreginers from invading trying to protect the City of Gold which Onimaru talked about to Zoro. And Ryuuma along with other Samurai probably were protecting a poneglyph (just like Shandians did, the city of gold in Skypea was not what they are protecting, but rather the poneglyph itself)
I daresay that Wano became isolationist because of their overprotectiveness over the poneglyph they have.
Afterall, Wano is the land where Poneglyphs were created. And it's a land of many secrets and mysteries, even Sengoku emphasized that to Akainu about Wano.
So, it will be a flashback that has those certain points:
1- Kozoki Clan and Zunisha's curse.
2- City of Gold
3- The kozoki skill as stonemasons creating Poneglyphs.
4- WG invading Wano while Ryuuma standing in their way, and basically made WG fears Wano for hundreds of years and basically Ryuuma became like a God to Wano because he stopped WG
5- Wano becoming an isolationist.
I have a feeling that Robin might be the key to opening Wano's borders, just like she told Skypeans that the poneglyph they had served its purpose.
And the old geezer cried and said that "there is no need for fighting anymore"
I think the same will be applied here in that the poneglyph in Wano would have served its purpose by the time Robin reads it, thus Wano's obligation to stay protecting it is NO MORE NEEDED. Thus, the reason it became isolated long ago will no more be needed, allowing its borders to open and elders of Wano accepting it without complaints
See now this is the point as I was making... This is the sort of statement that is NEEDED to make the Ryuma flashback warranted and yet it hasn't come. As fat as we know, Ryuma could've just been a full blown racist who hurt didn't like outsiders and went on a killing spree... there's no indication that what ryuma was doing back then has much to do with what's up now... the closing of wano's borders is to do wth the Kozuki and poneglyphs, not the country of gold or the shimotsuki or the dragon that Ryuma cut down or black blades
Basically all the things Ryuma is known for still don't have a hook in the current story... As far as I can tell, only the dragon bit is important... because Oda chose to actually even elaborate on it by adding story one thing we never knew (he said ryuma cut the dragon above the flower capital)... Oda added something to dragon cutting meaning there's a chance there's even more to that story... Everything else, the fighting off world nobles hasn't been a factor at all... We haven't seen a world noble talk about wano or have anyone in wano talk about the world nobles in anyone about meaningful way... the only person who did was Orochi when he was threatening the CP-0 guys that not even they can fuck with Kaido... Outside of that, even the CP-0 guys don't care about wano outside of it being Kaido's base of operations where he makes them guns and this is a good very minor plot point that again doesn't have anything to do with Ryuma
Basically all the things Ryuma is known for still don't have a hook in the current story... As far as I can tell, only the dragon bit is important... because Oda chose to actually even elaborate on it by adding story one thing we never knew (he said ryuma cut the dragon above the flower capital)... Oda added something to dragon cutting meaning there's a chance there's even more to that story... Everything else, the fighting off world nobles hasn't been a factor at all... We haven't seen a world noble talk about wano or have anyone in wano talk about the world nobles in anyone about meaningful way... the only person who did was Orochi when he was threatening the CP-0 guys that not even they can fuck with Kaido... Outside of that, even the CP-0 guys don't care about wano outside of it being Kaido's base of operations where he makes them guns and this is a good very minor plot point that again doesn't have anything to do with Ryuma