Powers & Abilities So does everyone agree Enma not a power up now.
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Enma is a training wheel. It's a means for Zoro to grow stronger. When he was given Enma, the sword would suck his haki, leaving him drained.
That's not a power up. Zoro speaks in future tense when saying he'll grow stronger. He doesn't even refer to anything the sword will do, it's what he will do with the sword.
That's not a power up. Zoro speaks in future tense when saying he'll grow stronger. He doesn't even refer to anything the sword will do, it's what he will do with the sword.
For a Sanji fan, you sure in hell don't know anything about his raid suit huh.
-> It gives him a speed boost thanks to accelerates at the bottom of his shoes -> makes him faster
-> It gives him the ability to float in air, thanks to the floating device at bottom of his shoes -> He can float now, rather than having to waste energy on sky walk to get in the air.
Additionally, both should help conserve his stamina.
-> The cape acts as a shield gives Sanji the ability to avoid getting from attacks that he can't dodge -> defensive boost
-> Invisibility helps him become even more deadly, where he can't be detected by anybody who doesn't have good-great CoO -> high offensive boost
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Enma
-> Sucks more haki than the wielder wants it to, to a point the wielder's arm becomes a twig and is shivering/trembling -> hindrance when people actually fight.
Nobody has an issue with stating that Zoro is getting a powerup, issue is talking about the actual powerup Zoro is getting.. it's not Enma.. it's a Haki boost through training like Luffy.
Luffy/Sanji/Zoro/Franky/etc etc all are getting powerups. But you have to acknowledge the actual powerups, rather than make up stuff. Sanji here is getting something that makes him a better fighter the moment he puts it on. Luffy & Zoro are getting powerups that require them to go through intensive training first. Franky will probably be building something. Usopp upgrading his arsenal most likely. So on and so forth.
-> It gives him a speed boost thanks to accelerates at the bottom of his shoes -> makes him faster
-> It gives him the ability to float in air, thanks to the floating device at bottom of his shoes -> He can float now, rather than having to waste energy on sky walk to get in the air.
Additionally, both should help conserve his stamina.
-> The cape acts as a shield gives Sanji the ability to avoid getting from attacks that he can't dodge -> defensive boost
-> Invisibility helps him become even more deadly, where he can't be detected by anybody who doesn't have good-great CoO -> high offensive boost
VS
Enma
-> Sucks more haki than the wielder wants it to, to a point the wielder's arm becomes a twig and is shivering/trembling -> hindrance when people actually fight.
Nobody has an issue with stating that Zoro is getting a powerup, issue is talking about the actual powerup Zoro is getting.. it's not Enma.. it's a Haki boost through training like Luffy.
Luffy/Sanji/Zoro/Franky/etc etc all are getting powerups. But you have to acknowledge the actual powerups, rather than make up stuff. Sanji here is getting something that makes him a better fighter the moment he puts it on. Luffy & Zoro are getting powerups that require them to go through intensive training first. Franky will probably be building something. Usopp upgrading his arsenal most likely. So on and so forth.
Not comparable. Zoro has been using 3-swords since the start, this would be a power boost he attained when he was a kid. We're not talking about 5 year old Roronoa, but the present time in Wano. But even then in originally, the 3-sword style was a nerf to Zoro, as he originally was a 2-sword style person, and had to train his ass off to master the 3-sword style. :)
You gonna mention the Barbell & plates he uses as a powerup next?
You gonna mention the Barbell & plates he uses as a powerup next?
why u want to make excuses when i use facts and evidence how can i argue with you
-> Discussion revolving around Wano Zoro & him attaining Enma
-> You tried comparing Raid Suit & Enma, in an attempt to make them the same (when Raid suit has no correlation with the topic)
-> Were then corrected on why they aren't the same
-> You abandon the topic to go talk about a 5 year old Zoro when he picked up the 3-sword style
-> Were explained how that has no relevence to present time
-> Your counter was a childish argument of "idc what you say, i'm right"
In the end you just acted childish and are turning this into another idiotic Z v S thread...
If you're aiming to participate in a thread regarding Enma & Zoro, you should have some arguments that don't revolve around "Well if Raid suit is a power up to Sanji, Enma is a powerup to Zoro". That Sanji insecurity is showing mate. But continue :)
Okay,lets first define what a power-up is:A power up is something that increase a character fighting ability in some catergory and may or may not hinder others, as soon as they obtain it.Going by this definition,I'll explain why i dont think enma is a power up.
Enma does not grant zoro any immidiate increase in power.This much is clear since all we have seen enma does is draw out zoro power (this is not some latent power by the way).Rather i believe it merely serve as a replacement and on top of that a challenge that give zoro the oppotunity to improve.In other word,picking up enma is like fighting a powerful foe,since it create challenges which forces a character to cross the limit barrier.Take luffy vs katakuri for example,was that fight a power up? No,it was a challenge that demanded a powerup to overcome,ie an oppotunity
I also see people compare obtaining enma with the raid suit or the fourth gear.This is just wrong since sanji and luffy's increase in fighting capabilities was clearly shown meanwhile this is not the case for enma .
In short,Enma is a beast that zoro must tame and does not simply act as a springboard.
Feel free to weight in everyone as this post is subjected to prejudice therefore i may not have looked at things in a logical way
Enma does not grant zoro any immidiate increase in power.This much is clear since all we have seen enma does is draw out zoro power (this is not some latent power by the way).Rather i believe it merely serve as a replacement and on top of that a challenge that give zoro the oppotunity to improve.In other word,picking up enma is like fighting a powerful foe,since it create challenges which forces a character to cross the limit barrier.Take luffy vs katakuri for example,was that fight a power up? No,it was a challenge that demanded a powerup to overcome,ie an oppotunity
I also see people compare obtaining enma with the raid suit or the fourth gear.This is just wrong since sanji and luffy's increase in fighting capabilities was clearly shown meanwhile this is not the case for enma .
In short,Enma is a beast that zoro must tame and does not simply act as a springboard.
Feel free to weight in everyone as this post is subjected to prejudice therefore i may not have looked at things in a logical way
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I disagree partially.
It boils down to whether you consider a power-up as something that comes immediately. I personally don't, for me a power-up is simply something that makes a person stronger. A power-up can be obtained throught training like Luffy's gears or in this case, Enma's taming. That doesn't make it cheap or easy. Every kind of new power needs some sort of mastery, I think. Once Zoro tamed Enma, he will be stronger than he is now and it will be because of his own determination. Since he is stronger than before, it is a power-up.
When you say:
I can agree with you even if I consider Enma as a power-up, since its power is only fully obtained once Zoro mastered Enma. I also like the comparison you made between Enma and battleing an opponent. Fights also seem to be a way in wich power-ups can be obtained (see Luffy's future sight).
It boils down to whether you consider a power-up as something that comes immediately. I personally don't, for me a power-up is simply something that makes a person stronger. A power-up can be obtained throught training like Luffy's gears or in this case, Enma's taming. That doesn't make it cheap or easy. Every kind of new power needs some sort of mastery, I think. Once Zoro tamed Enma, he will be stronger than he is now and it will be because of his own determination. Since he is stronger than before, it is a power-up.
When you say:
I can agree with you even if I consider Enma as a power-up, since its power is only fully obtained once Zoro mastered Enma. I also like the comparison you made between Enma and battleing an opponent. Fights also seem to be a way in wich power-ups can be obtained (see Luffy's future sight).