Powers & Abilities So...does most of Kaido’s crew not have Haki or something?

[Dickie D. Dick]

I've always put pre-TS Luffy at Veteran level even without Haki, so I never thought it was a prerequisite. He was probably >= Curiel level in Whitebeard's crew who was going toe to toe with Moriah.

But it's extremely difficult, if not impossible to go into High Tiers without using Haki.

Not really, all you need is busted DF and you clear

 

[The White Crane]

If I remember correctly, out of all the Flying 6 and Calamities only Ulti and Who’s Who have shown Haki. This is really strange to me, is Oda just afraid of showing the weaker Straw Hats beat Haki users or something? Or is Kaido’s crew really just lacking Haki users?

Crydo's crew sucks, just like Crydo himself.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Page 1 showed Haki when he sensed Luffy strength.

Wasnt that Ulti who sensed Luffy’s strength?

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I've always put pre-TS Luffy at Veteran level even without Hak

@sanjikun
Veteran Level is like from Pekoms to Flying six level right? Thats the range of guys considered Veteran level right?

You think pre ts Luffy can beat Pekoms? Pekoms who one shot 200 million logia user Rookie Caribou?

i maintain that the New world has so many stat boosts compared to the pre ts is like a whole other tier. Like i doubt Luffy is even faster or stronger than Pekoms and thats ignoring the Haki which would do major damage to Luffy

 

[sanjikun]

Wasnt that Ulti who sensed Luffy’s strength?

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@sanjikun
Veteran Level is like from Pekoms to Flying six level right? Thats the range of guys considered Veteran level right?

You think pre ts Luffy can beat Pekoms? Pekoms who one shot 200 million logia user Rookie Caribou?

i maintain that the New world has so many stat boosts compared to the pre ts is like a whole other tier. Like i doubt Luffy is even faster or stronger than Pekoms and thats ignoring the Haki which would do major damage to Luffy

Luffy beat Crocodile and Enel mate. Those were solid High Tiers to me. I also think Rob Lucci was pretty similar to Who's Who now.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Wasnt that Ulti who sensed Luffy’s strength?

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@sanjikun
Veteran Level is like from Pekoms to Flying six level right? Thats the range of guys considered Veteran level right?

You think pre ts Luffy can beat Pekoms? Pekoms who one shot 200 million logia user Rookie Caribou?

i maintain that the New world has so many stat boosts compared to the pre ts is like a whole other tier. Like i doubt Luffy is even faster or stronger than Pekoms and thats ignoring the Haki which would do major damage to Luffy

They both sense it; PO warns Ulti by saying "Big sis" as soon as they sensed Luffy's strength.

 

[sneko]

F6 definitely has haki. it's not a debate, if fodders like marguerite and the two of boa sisters have them then it's only normal for F6 to possess it as well.

 

[Zolo]

Oda didnt want to give robin and franky haki it seams... poor guys

 

[stairs-kun]

Zoro neg diffs Beast Pirates solo

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Luffy beat Crocodile and Enel mate. Those were solid High Tiers to me. I also think Rob Lucci was pretty similar to Who's Who now.

wow. So Rob Lucci is like whos who. Whos who is above the numbers. The numbers are compared to Oars in strength by Luffy himself. Oars required all the strawhats and post ennies Lobby luffy to defeat

Meaning rob lucci should require post ennies lobby luffy, with 100 shadows amp, plus all the strawhats to defeat.

I can make a thing like the above for crocodile and Enel but you get the picture. Unfortunately, the very concept of story progression doesnt support your claim

 

[ankama]

Instead of afraid I would say he is not sure how to write in a convincing way. Like Nami vs Khalifa was a satisfying win, even though khaalifa was a much better combatant.

DF nerfed her. Without it(using a DF instead of her assassin abilities) she would kill Nami.

 

[Jailer]

They have it, just like how Trebol and Diamante are both confirmed to have CoO and CoA but are never shown any visible use of it whatsoever.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

They both sense it; PO warns Ulti by saying "Big sis" as soon as they sensed Luffy's strength.

@Gol D. Roger Actually, nah, none of that even means they sensed his strength at all

They could just be noticing he wasnt knocked out

Also we know Page one doesnt have CoO. We saw how King dealt with invisible Sanji. The typical way invisibility is dealt with by CoO users. While page one couldnt sensed shit

 

[Jailer]

And it's not just Trebol, Diamante there's many characters like this, Cavendish also has both CoO and CoA, same with Kyros, Hack, Kid, Killer, BM veterans even tho they never visibly use it. It is what it is.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Vivre cards are irrelevant.

 

[MonsterKaido]

--Physical strength matters more than base haki ; base coa gives you a boost but that requires good level of physical power

--For example give early pre skip usopp base haki and he still would be fodder ; adv haki is different thing and lets wait for commanders ; for long time kaido was not a confirmed coa user too and someone who uses brute strength more but he can use adv coc also

 

[Zolo]

Vivre cards are irrelevant.

Kaidos crew is irrelavant

 

[Gol D. Roger]

@Gol D. Roger Actually, nah, none of that even means they sensed his strength at all

They could just be noticing he wasnt knocked out

Also we know Page one doesnt have CoO. We saw how King dealt with invisible Sanji. The typical way invisibility is dealt with by CoO users. While page one couldnt sensed shit

Why'd they suddenly start getting serious over something so normal like noticing he wasn't knocked out? Ulti clearly says they transformed because they confirmed Luffy is dangerous, and Page One was the first one to notice it.

 

[BigAmmi]

Ofc They have haki.
Simply Oda wan't to draw It.

And this Is a mistery. It require 1 minute to color arms, legs ecc with dark. There Isn't excuse like "I haven't time".

But... Is One piece... So...

 

[Finalbeta]

Crydo's crew sucks, just like Crydo himself.

Imagine being a yonko and possessing no advanced CoA.

 

[vikas]

Apparently Jack doesn't even have haki at least according to his vivre card.

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DF nerfed her. Without it(using a DF instead of her assassin abilities) she would kill Nami.

Yeah, if there was no DF, she would have used rokushiki to finish her off...but at least he wrote the story such that. She had a shitty fruit and a beginner. We can probably argue that she underestimated Nami too and did not try as hard and got outwitted.