Powers & Abilities So...does most of Kaido’s crew not have Haki or something?
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I’m certain all the Tobi Roppo will be confirmed to be Haki users in the Vivre cards. Relatively speaking pekoms is a scrub in Linlin’s crew & he’s several times stronger than Caribou and the Tobi Roppo are basically Oven, Daifuku, Perorin etc. equivalents in the beast Pirates (I.e. > Pekoms) and neither of those 3 have shown Haki either but Oven and Daifuku were confirmed to be Haki users in the Vivre Card ^^.
That aside, with regards to Sasaki, I thought his attack power & durability were impressive (he was able to rip general Franky apart & tank a general canon) + he was pretty creative with his DF. Sure his durability isn’t Ulti level of toughness but the main reason for this was coz Oda coveniently made his belly his weak point (something neither Ulti or P1 have so it’s 100% a nerf imo). What I was referring to Haki wise tho was him not using Haki to protect his so called weak point even though he will no doubt have it in his Vivre card imo.
Take away Sasaki’s weak point & Franky would’ve lost that fight without an AP PU but then again if Oda wrote it that way then it’d result in a plot hole as it’d imply Franky’s attack > Maser Canon
That aside, with regards to Sasaki, I thought his attack power & durability were impressive (he was able to rip general Franky apart & tank a general canon) + he was pretty creative with his DF. Sure his durability isn’t Ulti level of toughness but the main reason for this was coz Oda coveniently made his belly his weak point (something neither Ulti or P1 have so it’s 100% a nerf imo). What I was referring to Haki wise tho was him not using Haki to protect his so called weak point even though he will no doubt have it in his Vivre card imo.
Take away Sasaki’s weak point & Franky would’ve lost that fight without an AP PU but then again if Oda wrote it that way then it’d result in a plot hole as it’d imply Franky’s attack > Maser Canon
And I get what you mean, but I would word it in a different way.
It's not really that it's specifically his weakness, as in relation to others,, but simply more like the only vulernable spot on his Triceratops's body, ergo the only part Franky could have dealt serious damage to, cause the "upper side" of his body seems to be plenty more durable than the other dinosaurs are.
Something like: Sasaki's belly = Ulti's/P1's belly, Sasaki's upper side >> their general durability/his own belly. If Franky would have fought the others (bar WsW- who dodges) for example, he most likely could have just nuked them from the front w/o any preparation at all.
So that combo -General cannon + laser beam- was pretty much the only way Franky could have won that, cause he successfully exposed his more vulnerable spot, which somewhat makes it a "Franky only"- feat, cause "others" won't be able to expose him in a similiar fashion. Looking at it this way, imo paints a completely different picture.
And what made him ultimately lose and what in general limits their (F6+Veterans) overall powerlevel seemingly just happens to be their relatively lacking haki game. We just have to accept that.
Even if they know it, which they seemingly do, it looks like they are just subpar at using it.
Nonetheless Oda did a good job with Sasaki though: I can't see him losing against anyone bar WsW. Even w/o a potential haki game, those Heliceratops headbutts look already much more powerful than Ulti's in base or hybrid- can't imagine Ussop or Nami taking those istead. He just counters BM haaard. P1 got no business on him at all. -> He's still super powerful imo.
And for that Maser Cannon comparison: In contrary to Maser Cannon, Oda made his laser beam explode on contact.
I think thanks to that effect Franky's attack did more damage than the Maser Cannon, even though the Maser Cannon is inherently a much more powerful attack. Yeah, smells a lot like plot, but that's seemingly how Oda dealt with it :D
Sorry, became longer than expected.
Nah fam. This is headcanon. If you're tryna make the argument that the Triceratops is more durable than the Spinosaurus or Ulti's dino, from an irl standpoint, so you'd reckon Sasaki is more durable than the two then fair enough that is logical argument and it was what I thought prior to Sasaki's fight which is why I had him above Ulti at that point even though, she has the best feats amongst the Tobi Roppo. However the reality is that his durability feats, are not as impressive as Ulti's or even P1 for that matter. Again unlike those two Sasaki's durability has a hole in it theirs don't. What is more ironic about this argument is that Ulti tanked a maser cannon to the gut whereas Sasaki was taken out by Franky's lazer beam to the gut
. Maser canon scales much higher than Franky's lazer beam and that is putting it politely.
Also I don't think the F6 lost coz of their Haki game. The Dinos lost coz of heavy plot convenience and Who's Who & Maria who don't have the durability hax of the dino's simply lost to better opponents. Maria having Haki wouldn't have prevented her from getting wrecked by Robin, and Who's Who was just outclassed by Jinbe, Haki and all (don't really get the love for the man, he's trash but I digress)
Btw, I'm not shitting on Franky's AP, I actually think he ranks pretty high in the crew in that category but given what we had seen from the Dino's prior it shouldn't have been enough to take down one the dino's at least without a PU hence why Oda added the very convenient caveat of Sasaki having a weak belly imo.
Also Usopp and Nami taking Ulti's headbutts is largely plot convenience. This is someone that was able to push Luffy back with it. If Sasaki faced Usopp or Nami, he'd have been subjected to the same kinda fuckery.
Also no worries about the length of the post ^^.
. Maser canon scales much higher than Franky's lazer beam and that is putting it politely.Also I don't think the F6 lost coz of their Haki game. The Dinos lost coz of heavy plot convenience and Who's Who & Maria who don't have the durability hax of the dino's simply lost to better opponents. Maria having Haki wouldn't have prevented her from getting wrecked by Robin, and Who's Who was just outclassed by Jinbe, Haki and all (don't really get the love for the man, he's trash but I digress
)Btw, I'm not shitting on Franky's AP, I actually think he ranks pretty high in the crew in that category but given what we had seen from the Dino's prior it shouldn't have been enough to take down one the dino's at least without a PU hence why Oda added the very convenient caveat of Sasaki having a weak belly imo.
Also Usopp and Nami taking Ulti's headbutts is largely plot convenience. This is someone that was able to push Luffy back with it. If Sasaki faced Usopp or Nami, he'd have been subjected to the same kinda fuckery.
Also no worries about the length of the post ^^.
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