Chapter Discussion SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!

#1
My interpretation is that many people believe that Xebec’s Conqueror’s Haki was superior to Garp’s and Roger’s individual Haki, but the actual context does not support that.


When Xebec used his Conqueror’s Haki defensively and either Garp or Roger used it offensively, the two would cancel each other out. This cancellation indicates equality, not weakness. If one side’s Haki were actually stronger, there would be no cancellation—the stronger Haki would simply overpower and break through the other. So Xebec’s Haki did not overpower theirs; it was matched to the point of neutralization.


From there, this is why I believe that Whitebeard, Kaidou, Shanks, and Big Mom could also defeat Xebec with their own levels of Haki.


Even assuming the interpretation that Xebec split the sky on his own—which would imply his Haki is “stronger”—the fact that his Haki was being canceled by Roger’s contradicts the idea that Roger’s Haki was weaker. Then we have Roger’s line:


“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”

Roger does not say he needs a higher level of Haki. What he says is that they need to channel all of their mass, which means increasing the pressure and physical impact accompanying the Conqueror’s Haki coating. Any user of advanced Conqueror’s Haki can do this. At no point is it stated that you need a “higher level” of Haki to break through—only that you need to fully concentrate it.

Now for the final part: even though Roger and Garp attacked Xebec at the same time, each of them broke through Xebec’s Haki individually, not by combining their Haki. There was a combination of attacks in terms of timing, but the effectiveness of each strike depended entirely on the individual user properly channeling all of their mass and pressure. They did not fuse their Haki together; they each overcame Xebec’s defense solo, even if they did so simultaneously.

“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”
Roger’s statement makes it clear what the requirement is to break through the defense of a user coated in Conqueror’s Haki:


“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”


It is not:
  • “We need a new level”
  • “We need stronger Haki”
  • “We need to combine our Haki”
  • “We need to awaken something extra”
It is simply:
Channel all of your mass + pressure into the Haki.

In other words:
Any user of advanced Conqueror’s Haki can do this, as long as they are capable of concentrating their full impact into a single strike.

Who can prove that Kaidou, Whitebeard, Big Mom, or Shanks cannot do exactly that?
No one can.




I will still post the bonus part. Luffy in Gear 5, according to Kaidou, was coating his body with Haki in the same way Xebec did. We can see that some of Kaidou’s attacks didn’t have much effect on him at first, but later Kaidou simply broke through that coating and dealt damage to him.

And simply, when Kaido speaks about how Haki transcends everything, that's precisely the moment when his attack inflicts enormous damage on Luffy.



@SkySanji @Tyki_Mikk @Hanzo hattori @MonsterKaido @Levi @comrade @nik87 @Blazing Lion
 
#2
My interpretation is that many people believe that Xebec’s Conqueror’s Haki was superior to Garp’s and Roger’s individual Haki, but the actual context does not support that.


When Xebec used his Conqueror’s Haki defensively and either Garp or Roger used it offensively, the two would cancel each other out. This cancellation indicates equality, not weakness. If one side’s Haki were actually stronger, there would be no cancellation—the stronger Haki would simply overpower and break through the other. So Xebec’s Haki did not overpower theirs; it was matched to the point of neutralization.


From there, this is why I believe that Whitebeard, Kaidou, Shanks, and Big Mom could also defeat Xebec with their own levels of Haki.


Even assuming the interpretation that Xebec split the sky on his own—which would imply his Haki is “stronger”—the fact that his Haki was being canceled by Roger’s contradicts the idea that Roger’s Haki was weaker. Then we have Roger’s line:


“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”

Roger does not say he needs a higher level of Haki. What he says is that they need to channel all of their mass, which means increasing the pressure and physical impact accompanying the Conqueror’s Haki coating. Any user of advanced Conqueror’s Haki can do this. At no point is it stated that you need a “higher level” of Haki to break through—only that you need to fully concentrate it.

Now for the final part: even though Roger and Garp attacked Xebec at the same time, each of them broke through Xebec’s Haki individually, not by combining their Haki. There was a combination of attacks in terms of timing, but the effectiveness of each strike depended entirely on the individual user properly channeling all of their mass and pressure. They did not fuse their Haki together; they each overcame Xebec’s defense solo, even if they did so simultaneously.


Roger’s statement makes it clear what the requirement is to break through the defense of a user coated in Conqueror’s Haki:


“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”


It is not:
  • “We need a new level”
  • “We need stronger Haki”
  • “We need to combine our Haki”
  • “We need to awaken something extra”
It is simply:
Channel all of your mass + pressure into the Haki.

In other words:
Any user of advanced Conqueror’s Haki can do this, as long as they are capable of concentrating their full impact into a single strike.

Who can prove that Kaidou, Whitebeard, Big Mom, or Shanks cannot do exactly that?
No one can.




I will still post the bonus part. Luffy in Gear 5, according to Kaidou, was coating his body with Haki in the same way Xebec did. We can see that some of Kaidou’s attacks didn’t have much effect on him at first, but later Kaidou simply broke through that coating and dealt damage to him.

And simply, when Kaido speaks about how Haki transcends everything, that's precisely the moment when his attack inflicts enormous damage on Luffy.



@SkySanji @Tyki_Mikk @Hanzo hattori @MonsterKaido @Levi @comrade @nik87 @Blazing Lion
I thought about this, and to me it looks like you have a limited amount of haki, that's why typically you use it wisely, not going out all at once as you don't want to be incapacitated. So when Roger mentioned the mass, to me it sounded like "let's release everything we've got left, we may die but at least we may defeat Rocks as well".

Edit: so basically your strength is not about how cool your haki is, but how much you have it
 
#3
My interpretation is that many people believe that Xebec’s Conqueror’s Haki was superior to Garp’s and Roger’s individual Haki, but the actual context does not support that.


When Xebec used his Conqueror’s Haki defensively and either Garp or Roger used it offensively, the two would cancel each other out. This cancellation indicates equality, not weakness. If one side’s Haki were actually stronger, there would be no cancellation—the stronger Haki would simply overpower and break through the other. So Xebec’s Haki did not overpower theirs; it was matched to the point of neutralization.


From there, this is why I believe that Whitebeard, Kaidou, Shanks, and Big Mom could also defeat Xebec with their own levels of Haki.


Even assuming the interpretation that Xebec split the sky on his own—which would imply his Haki is “stronger”—the fact that his Haki was being canceled by Roger’s contradicts the idea that Roger’s Haki was weaker. Then we have Roger’s line:


“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”

Roger does not say he needs a higher level of Haki. What he says is that they need to channel all of their mass, which means increasing the pressure and physical impact accompanying the Conqueror’s Haki coating. Any user of advanced Conqueror’s Haki can do this. At no point is it stated that you need a “higher level” of Haki to break through—only that you need to fully concentrate it.

Now for the final part: even though Roger and Garp attacked Xebec at the same time, each of them broke through Xebec’s Haki individually, not by combining their Haki. There was a combination of attacks in terms of timing, but the effectiveness of each strike depended entirely on the individual user properly channeling all of their mass and pressure. They did not fuse their Haki together; they each overcame Xebec’s defense solo, even if they did so simultaneously.


Roger’s statement makes it clear what the requirement is to break through the defense of a user coated in Conqueror’s Haki:


“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”


It is not:
  • “We need a new level”
  • “We need stronger Haki”
  • “We need to combine our Haki”
  • “We need to awaken something extra”
It is simply:
Channel all of your mass + pressure into the Haki.

In other words:
Any user of advanced Conqueror’s Haki can do this, as long as they are capable of concentrating their full impact into a single strike.

Who can prove that Kaidou, Whitebeard, Big Mom, or Shanks cannot do exactly that?
No one can.




I will still post the bonus part. Luffy in Gear 5, according to Kaidou, was coating his body with Haki in the same way Xebec did. We can see that some of Kaidou’s attacks didn’t have much effect on him at first, but later Kaidou simply broke through that coating and dealt damage to him.

And simply, when Kaido speaks about how Haki transcends everything, that's precisely the moment when his attack inflicts enormous damage on Luffy.



@SkySanji @Tyki_Mikk @Hanzo hattori @MonsterKaido @Levi @comrade @nik87 @Blazing Lion
When you realise it's just admiral fans doing that shi

  • Imu haki didn't split Sky.
  • All 6 Conqueror user attack didn't Split Sky.
  • Hello even when Garp/Roger combined attack let out so much Haki they couldn't Split Sky.
  • But now Xebec did it alone when we clearly see the Clash of Roger/Garp and Xebec.
There are so many hypocritical takes here.

Xebec do not have any " Superior " Haki to Garp or Roger.
 
#4
When you realise it's just admiral fans doing that shi

  • Imu haki didn't split Sky.
  • All 6 Conqueror user attack didn't Split Sky.
  • Hello even when Garp/Roger combined attack let out so much Haki they couldn't Split Sky.
  • But now Xebec did it alone when we clearly see the Clash of Roger/Garp and Xebec.
There are so many hypocritical takes here.

Xebec do not have any " Superior " Haki to Garp or Roger.
Yes, indeed, but it’s actually even better that they think Xebec’s haki > Garp and Roger’s, because each of them (Roger and Garp) broke through Xebec’s haki barrier with weaker haki, simply by applying more mass and concentrating their attacks. This confirms that the requirement to break Xebec’s haki is not having stronger or equal haki, but rather the matter of mass, concentration, and so on. Technically, Kaido can do the same with his own haki, just like he did against Luffy.

If everything comes down to mass, then a dragon the size of an island concentrating its haki is enough. After all, the impact of that is 100x greater than the impact of Roger’s attacks, which compensates for any difference that may exist between their haki.

It wasn’t some byproduct of Garp’s and Roger’s haki combined that broke it. Each of them did it individually, and this is shown in the panel. I would say a byproduct is something like Hakai.
 

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Kitetsu Wanker
#5
This is nothing new and has already been seen.
The translators created confusion with the word - mass.
It is not mass, it is concentrated haki or gathered haki.

Law and Joyboy both said the same thing.
People should understand that if Xebec was with sound mind, he could have done the same thing and still end up countering them both.
If they can gather all haki into a single attack, Xebec can gather all haki into a single block as well.

The more haki you gather, the stronger the attack is.
Everything is tailored for Zoro supremacy in the end.
That's why he, at his most powerful, gathers haki for 9 swords.
 
#6
Xebec’s haki was massively superior. Luffy was hurting Kaido even when their hakis were relative, and the same goes the other way around. They had to focus their haki just to surpass Xebec’s regular usage of it. If Xebec had concentrated his haki too, their attacks wouldn’t have been that effective. That’s my take on it. They won because they were smart.
 
#7
Bro its just haters who dont have a dog who can compete in the top tier supremacy race. These clowns want to shit on previously assumed top tiers like Roger, Garp, WB, Shanks, Kaido etc. because their own favs dont stand a chance.

Tell me the ones who are downplaying Roger and Garp have their favs who got ACoC themselves. They want to hype Rocks above Roger and Garp to create an imaginary character so their faves are not the only ones below.

Zoro fans have been used to it where Sanji fans instead of pushing Sanji up always try to bring Zoro down.

They forget that ACoC has again been confirmed as the counter and transcendent power system. They forget that this Rocks is way way stronger r than the Rocks which side quest mid diffed an Admiral. They forget that their faves haven't even shown ACoC.
 
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#12
Yes, indeed, but it’s actually even better that they think Xebec’s haki > Garp and Roger’s, because each of them (Roger and Garp) broke through Xebec’s haki barrier with weaker haki, simply by applying more mass and concentrating their attacks. This confirms that the requirement to break Xebec’s haki is not having stronger or equal haki, but rather the matter of mass, concentration, and so on. Technically, Kaido can do the same with his own haki, just like he did against Luffy.

If everything comes down to mass, then a dragon the size of an island concentrating its haki is enough. After all, the impact of that is 100x greater than the impact of Roger’s attacks, which compensates for any difference that may exist between their haki.

It wasn’t some byproduct of Garp’s and Roger’s haki combined that broke it. Each of them did it individually, and this is shown in the panel. I would say a byproduct is something like Hakai.
Why are thry going to be immobilize after if they didn't use up all their haki
 
#13
My interpretation is that many people believe that Xebec’s Conqueror’s Haki was superior to Garp’s and Roger’s individual Haki, but the actual context does not support that.


When Xebec used his Conqueror’s Haki defensively and either Garp or Roger used it offensively, the two would cancel each other out. This cancellation indicates equality, not weakness. If one side’s Haki were actually stronger, there would be no cancellation—the stronger Haki would simply overpower and break through the other. So Xebec’s Haki did not overpower theirs; it was matched to the point of neutralization.


From there, this is why I believe that Whitebeard, Kaidou, Shanks, and Big Mom could also defeat Xebec with their own levels of Haki.


Even assuming the interpretation that Xebec split the sky on his own—which would imply his Haki is “stronger”—the fact that his Haki was being canceled by Roger’s contradicts the idea that Roger’s Haki was weaker. Then we have Roger’s line:


“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”

Roger does not say he needs a higher level of Haki. What he says is that they need to channel all of their mass, which means increasing the pressure and physical impact accompanying the Conqueror’s Haki coating. Any user of advanced Conqueror’s Haki can do this. At no point is it stated that you need a “higher level” of Haki to break through—only that you need to fully concentrate it.

Now for the final part: even though Roger and Garp attacked Xebec at the same time, each of them broke through Xebec’s Haki individually, not by combining their Haki. There was a combination of attacks in terms of timing, but the effectiveness of each strike depended entirely on the individual user properly channeling all of their mass and pressure. They did not fuse their Haki together; they each overcame Xebec’s defense solo, even if they did so simultaneously.


Roger’s statement makes it clear what the requirement is to break through the defense of a user coated in Conqueror’s Haki:


“SO NEXT TIME WE USE CONQUEROR'S HAKI, WE SHOULD CHANNEL ALL OF OUR MASS INTO IT?!”


It is not:
  • “We need a new level”
  • “We need stronger Haki”
  • “We need to combine our Haki”
  • “We need to awaken something extra”
It is simply:
Channel all of your mass + pressure into the Haki.

In other words:
Any user of advanced Conqueror’s Haki can do this, as long as they are capable of concentrating their full impact into a single strike.

Who can prove that Kaidou, Whitebeard, Big Mom, or Shanks cannot do exactly that?
No one can.




I will still post the bonus part. Luffy in Gear 5, according to Kaidou, was coating his body with Haki in the same way Xebec did. We can see that some of Kaidou’s attacks didn’t have much effect on him at first, but later Kaidou simply broke through that coating and dealt damage to him.

And simply, when Kaido speaks about how Haki transcends everything, that's precisely the moment when his attack inflicts enormous damage on Luffy.



@SkySanji @Tyki_Mikk @Hanzo hattori @MonsterKaido @Levi @comrade @nik87 @Blazing Lion
Rocks has infinite stamina and can't be damaged, this forced Garp and Roja to go all out with their haki and risk dying just to have a shot at defeating him.
Just like THAT other OP fight. :shocked:
 
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