Questions & Mysteries So why didn’t the WG catch Luffy sooner?
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No the fuck it's not. There is zero rules in the World of writing that says everything needs to have some kind of foreshadow, clue, hint, minor reveal, build up, setup, etc.... etc... before the major reveal.
Do you watch Crime Thrillers and scream at the end how bullshit it is that Timmy was the Killer, when the writers never gave any indication throughout the whole movie that it would be him?
Do you watch Crime Thrillers and scream at the end how bullshit it is that Timmy was the Killer, when the writers never gave any indication throughout the whole movie that it would be him?
My bad if I’m wrong or talking crazy(haven’t been hea or kept up with OP in a while) but seeing how tha WG treated 8 year old Robin(sending tha 3 strongest VA ever after her/her home island) and how they have spies almost everywhere. It’s jus da hard to believe that tha Gorosei or even IMU didn’t know or have any clue that tha Gum fruit is was was highly probable to be whatever tha fuck it is now
Like @Garp the Fist said. Only way it’s not a horrible plot hole is if a good 100 people over 800 years had it and couldn’t awaken it. Other than that…..
Like @Garp the Fist said. Only way it’s not a horrible plot hole is if a good 100 people over 800 years had it and couldn’t awaken it. Other than that…..
they want him to get ripe, you know some kind of weird fetish like Hisoka has 
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The 800+ year hunt has just been a big pretence because they secretly wanted Joyboy to return and destroy them anyway.
There's not really any if's there though. We were told the fruit hadn't awakened in Centuries. It'd had been so long that it is even a legend to those who hold the highest authority in the World Government.
Even in this last very chapter you had a member questioning if it was the right decision to even sacrifice one of their best agents and pissing off Kaido just to remove the person with this fruit. At this point they know the fruit is awakening, and they are still questioning whether or not they should have done what they did to ensure Luffy would be "killed."
It could be a problem in the Future for them, but there is no guarantee that it would be. Blackbeard possess Whitebeards Devil Fruit, which is touted to have the ability to destroy the World. That is infinitely worse at the moment, but we don't see the World Government sending their full forces after Blackbeard.
Even in this last very chapter you had a member questioning if it was the right decision to even sacrifice one of their best agents and pissing off Kaido just to remove the person with this fruit. At this point they know the fruit is awakening, and they are still questioning whether or not they should have done what they did to ensure Luffy would be "killed."
It could be a problem in the Future for them, but there is no guarantee that it would be. Blackbeard possess Whitebeards Devil Fruit, which is touted to have the ability to destroy the World. That is infinitely worse at the moment, but we don't see the World Government sending their full forces after Blackbeard.
It’s still problematic because Luffy is probably the single worst person imaginable to eat it. He’s a D that comes from probably the most prolific family. He combines aspects of individuals considered the absolute worst in WG history (Dragon, Gol D Roger, Joyboy). He’s a member of the Worst Generation, and the greatest pirate of the previous era Whitebeard put his faith in him. He’s brought together and has connections with just about every group: Revolutionaries, former Warlords, other pirates, a Yonko, and even worse…he has the only person left who can read Poneglyphs in his crew.
Even beyond that, the Ancient Weapon Poseidon has been reborn in the same era.
It’s incredibly tough to imagine any individual with a worse pedigree ever eating the fruit in history. Even if that’s the route he goes with that others are it failed, it would be very weak to try and get readers to believe that Luffy doesn’t have all the makings for a terrifying success.
Even beyond that, the Ancient Weapon Poseidon has been reborn in the same era.
It’s incredibly tough to imagine any individual with a worse pedigree ever eating the fruit in history. Even if that’s the route he goes with that others are it failed, it would be very weak to try and get readers to believe that Luffy doesn’t have all the makings for a terrifying success.
Obito doesn't need to fight anybody to capture Naruto. Just like he didn't need to do that, when he captured Naruto at his birth or during the uchiha massacre. Again Obito is here to capture, he does not need to fight nobody. Lol Konan only figured that out cause she studied him for years and had prep time, no one in Konoha has that time or even knows about him.
He stopped him, how he did we do not know. All we do know is that Luffy would be dead if they sent their full might after him, shanks' protection or not
He stopped him, how he did we do not know. All we do know is that Luffy would be dead if they sent their full might after him, shanks' protection or not
The films are 90 minutes, OP is 25years+.
Ofc it would make no sense for the film to hint something obvious about who is the culprit in the middle of it if the intention is to reveal it at the climax near the end since it's a 90 min stuff and the goal is to keep the spectator glued to it until the end.
Here we talk about another context and in this context we saw hints of Joyboy, or the One Piece, or the story 800 years ago throughout all these years, all these hints and small pieces of information were what keep ppl hooked on this story. Because in this case, we have time to process the information, we can try to figure out things ourselves, etc. in the film we dont have that advantage.
But we got nothing about the special DF. This fruit appeared out of thin air and it destroyed many things previously said and explained, it destroyed the fucking main character's essence. This was total incompetence by author's part.
Ofc it would make no sense for the film to hint something obvious about who is the culprit in the middle of it if the intention is to reveal it at the climax near the end since it's a 90 min stuff and the goal is to keep the spectator glued to it until the end.
Here we talk about another context and in this context we saw hints of Joyboy, or the One Piece, or the story 800 years ago throughout all these years, all these hints and small pieces of information were what keep ppl hooked on this story. Because in this case, we have time to process the information, we can try to figure out things ourselves, etc. in the film we dont have that advantage.
But we got nothing about the special DF. This fruit appeared out of thin air and it destroyed many things previously said and explained, it destroyed the fucking main character's essence. This was total incompetence by author's part.
That excuse doesn’t really work because they didn’t bother to change the name of either fruit that Blackbeard has, so obviously the gomu gomu no was considered to be an even greater threat than those.
They left it so anyone can go into the DF encyclopedia and see the gura gura and yami yami fruits…but gods forbid that anyone knows the actual name of the gomu gomu.
If this action originates all the way back through the ages right up to the Void Century, then none of the Yonko or even Pirate King or Dragon are comparable to the apparent existential threat this fruit poses.
The Pirate King problem is child’s play in comparison because it’s only even just a couple of decades old.
They left it so anyone can go into the DF encyclopedia and see the gura gura and yami yami fruits…but gods forbid that anyone knows the actual name of the gomu gomu.
If this action originates all the way back through the ages right up to the Void Century, then none of the Yonko or even Pirate King or Dragon are comparable to the apparent existential threat this fruit poses.
The Pirate King problem is child’s play in comparison because it’s only even just a couple of decades old.
And that's where you are wrong. The Fruit's awakening, in and of itself is 1000 percent inline with Luffy's character. It actually embodies the essence of Luffy's character, and everything he stands for, and has been built upon until this reveal. There couldn't have been given a more compatible ability to any character, in any fiction, period. Luffy's entire combat style revolves around him using his creativeness to bring out the maximum potential of his Devil Fruit. With this reveal, we find out that, that is the essence of the fruit. That it's only limited by the creativeness of the user.
This perfectly encapsulates why nobody else in the history of the series has been able to awaken this fruit in centuries, because they lacked the creativeness to bring out the full power of this devil fruit. Luffy, and only Luffy was able to accomplish this, because of his ingenuity, and creativeness when fighting with the Devil Fruit.
Anyone else would look at the Gomu Gomu no Mi, and see it as a useless fruit, but not Luffy. He took what was seemingly ordinary fruit, and maximized it to it's fullest potential. And to tie it all up nice and neatly into a bow, the wacky nature that comes about awakening the devil fruit, is exactly how Luffy himself is. This is hands down the best thing Oda could have done with Luffy's awakening, by having everything come full circle, and making the awakening fit Luffy to the letter.
You're talking about a organization that erased 100 years out of the History book..... Clearly Nika the Sun God, and the origins of the Gomu Gomu no Mi have deep rooted connections to the Void Century. That's why they changed it's name.
This perfectly encapsulates why nobody else in the history of the series has been able to awaken this fruit in centuries, because they lacked the creativeness to bring out the full power of this devil fruit. Luffy, and only Luffy was able to accomplish this, because of his ingenuity, and creativeness when fighting with the Devil Fruit.
Anyone else would look at the Gomu Gomu no Mi, and see it as a useless fruit, but not Luffy. He took what was seemingly ordinary fruit, and maximized it to it's fullest potential. And to tie it all up nice and neatly into a bow, the wacky nature that comes about awakening the devil fruit, is exactly how Luffy himself is. This is hands down the best thing Oda could have done with Luffy's awakening, by having everything come full circle, and making the awakening fit Luffy to the letter.
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You're talking about a organization that erased 100 years out of the History book..... Clearly Nika the Sun God, and the origins of the Gomu Gomu no Mi have deep rooted connections to the Void Century. That's why they changed it's name.
I think this is like Whitebeard not going to Wano.
A plausible answer can be made, but it’s not going to be an especially good answer.
There’s questions of how much the Gorosei actually know, how much the fruit really matters, why it awakened, did they have good reason to beleive it wouldn’t, blah blah
But it really all comes down to asking if this entire plot twist was even necessary. My answer to that is no. I can justify it, but that doesn’t mean I like it or I think it’s a good development.
I was perfectly happy with Luffy’s fruit just being good old fashioned rubber, thank you Oda.
I think even it being a Special Paramecia would have been easier to swallow than it just being something completely different to what we thought.
A plausible answer can be made, but it’s not going to be an especially good answer.
There’s questions of how much the Gorosei actually know, how much the fruit really matters, why it awakened, did they have good reason to beleive it wouldn’t, blah blah
But it really all comes down to asking if this entire plot twist was even necessary. My answer to that is no. I can justify it, but that doesn’t mean I like it or I think it’s a good development.
I was perfectly happy with Luffy’s fruit just being good old fashioned rubber, thank you Oda.
I think even it being a Special Paramecia would have been easier to swallow than it just being something completely different to what we thought.
Honestly, I don’t even think it needs to be a special paramecia because there are far wackier fruits out there.
Hawkins is straw but can do straight up voodoo and use up the lives of others. He’s not even awakened too. Rubber awakening translating to a form of toon force is not any worse than that to me…unless I am seriously tripping.
I can’t imagine why someone would complain and crucify Oda for Rubber making people smile like the term “rubbery smile” or making things bounce back, etc, but turn around and marvel about Hawkins being so creative or just simply fine for the One Piece world.
Hawkins is straw but can do straight up voodoo and use up the lives of others. He’s not even awakened too. Rubber awakening translating to a form of toon force is not any worse than that to me…unless I am seriously tripping.
I can’t imagine why someone would complain and crucify Oda for Rubber making people smile like the term “rubbery smile” or making things bounce back, etc, but turn around and marvel about Hawkins being so creative or just simply fine for the One Piece world.
In this chapter was revealed that it's the fruit that makes people smile "far and wide". So it's not that it fits with Luffy's character, but the fruit turned him like that. Though, I'll give the benefit of the doubt since it might be a mistranslation.
You're right in the 2º paragraph but there is a big BUT with this and it's what I mean by destroying Luffy's essence.
The fruit was never a simple one. It was always special. His gears, his moves, all gone down to the drain since he only could accomplish it because the fruit was special. A normal Gomu Gomu, if it exists, wont allow all these kind of stuff to Luffy. The magic stuff/essence about OP and its MC here was that despite the Gomu Gomu allowing him do some kinda exaggerated stuff, it was all within some logic, logic to which Luffy could adapt and squeeze this "stupid" fruit's possibilities until it's all within this "acceptable range". All gears, all moves are plausible stuff, they make sense even if some are a bit ridiculous.
But now it's all worthless. Since the fruit is the "most ridiculous power in the world", Luffy actually couldnt squeeze every bit of his DF, he could because the fruit allowed him this.
You're right in the 2º paragraph but there is a big BUT with this and it's what I mean by destroying Luffy's essence.
The fruit was never a simple one. It was always special. His gears, his moves, all gone down to the drain since he only could accomplish it because the fruit was special. A normal Gomu Gomu, if it exists, wont allow all these kind of stuff to Luffy. The magic stuff/essence about OP and its MC here was that despite the Gomu Gomu allowing him do some kinda exaggerated stuff, it was all within some logic, logic to which Luffy could adapt and squeeze this "stupid" fruit's possibilities until it's all within this "acceptable range". All gears, all moves are plausible stuff, they make sense even if some are a bit ridiculous.
But now it's all worthless. Since the fruit is the "most ridiculous power in the world", Luffy actually couldnt squeeze every bit of his DF, he could because the fruit allowed him this.
That’s the main thing that annoys me about this.
It’s seems so very unnecessary. If this had been his G5 Awakening, with no change to it becoming a Nika fruit, no mention of it being a legendary DF, I would not have batted an eyelid. Just a nice next step in Luffy’s progression that fits with him thematically.
I don‘t even care that Luffy’s a chosen one (think that’s been obvious for a very long time) but changing the fruit just sticks in the craw. Making it special irritates me.
It’s seems so very unnecessary. If this had been his G5 Awakening, with no change to it becoming a Nika fruit, no mention of it being a legendary DF, I would not have batted an eyelid. Just a nice next step in Luffy’s progression that fits with him thematically.
I don‘t even care that Luffy’s a chosen one (think that’s been obvious for a very long time) but changing the fruit just sticks in the craw. Making it special irritates me.
That creative freedom is specifically linked to the awakening. Without the fruit being awakened, the user is limited to the properties of rubber, and rubber alone. Something Luffy creatively pushed to its utmost limits. It's almost as of the fruit awakened because Luffy took it to its limits in its base form, and thus the fruit itself allowed him to evolve even further by awakening. But without the awakening, Luffy utilized the fruit to the best he could, while dealing with the limited function of just rubber.
"Even more freedom", not only "freedom".
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It gives already freedom but at a limited range. A normal Gomu Gomu wont even have that limit and that's why those statements from Kaido and Doflamingo about how weird Luffy's attacks/body were despite being rubber get now another meaning.
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It gives already freedom but at a limited range. A normal Gomu Gomu wont even have that limit and that's why those statements from Kaido and Doflamingo about how weird Luffy's attacks/body were despite being rubber get now another meaning.