Character Discussion Stop dreaming Gaban will ever be as relevant as Rayleigh

Story wise, which 1 is Gaban's relevance closer to?


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#61
It’s you can’t read

once again , Panni or whatever his name is says “doesn’t necessarily mean”
Even he doesn’t know shit , he’s giving his speculation just like you are
You are basically headcanoning outta your ass, For Oden it's Ok for Jimbei and arlong? It's ok, oh for Gaban? Nah it's strength.
:Rofl:
with that being presented the base is what was stated in the chapter , nothing to argue against that panel panel besides speculations and speculations mean 0 when canon-panels say what they had to say

truthfully you literally cannot read, at all.
You can't read like your Chadmirals Piece reader lmao, pick and choose and what's funny is you just speculate around.

When there's a statement of strength Oda uses the " Equal " Kanji alongside " Strength " Kanji like in Neku and Inu's comparison :


Sandman, Panini and others stated there's no comparison in strength clear as day.
You are coping hard.
 
#62
Once again, schizo-chan

Sandman being japanese doesn't discount him from applying headcanon
• Schizo Kurwa :
Sandman said nonsense

• Schizo Kurwa :
They are equal
He doesn't deny the word meaning equal, he just believes that the word can be discounted because Oda in the beginning of the story used equals as the way to describe Arlong and Jinbe and then 500 chapters later Oda changed the story so Sandman instead of acknowledging the retcon, would rather believe that words mean nothing because Oda was wrong 1 time in the beginning.

That word can't mean anything but equals/shoulder to shoulder.
He said there's no equality schizo because of a oot examples, the same way Giants stated Luffy is equal to Shanks yet he isn't but statut wise he's using the same kanji.

This is how Oda states The strength comparison schizo, he uses strength Kanji and Equal kanji :
 
#63
Boom another reason for me to believe you can’t read as much as you can’t comprehend context

“confirm” Lol? Do you know when you use the word confirm you don’t ever use the word “may”in the same breath.
He confirms himself that statement ISN'T STRENGTH oriented.
Basically you struggled with what Aokiji said about needing Team effort against Old Garp, i'm talking to a retard.
 
#65
Apparently, some people think Oda first said

"stands side by side with Rayleigh"

and then 4 panels later said

"stands shoulder to shoulder with Roger and Rayleigh".

Why not just accept he said equal to Roger and Rayleigh? The chapter was even just talking about this mystery 3rd person on Roger's crew who was way stronger than the rest like Rayleigh and a strength based feat against 100 pirates and mountain.
 
#66
your only issue is you not being able to read. It’s worse than your ability to comprehend context, learn the definition of the word “confirm”
What did aokiji say here ? Readit and search about " All of us " , " Together ", " barely "

Learn what “may” means , once you’ve mastered these go read what sandman and panni says because I have a feeling even they’d call you out for this tremendous lack of reading comprehension
Schizo, read :
 
#67
Apparently, some people think Oda first said

"stands side by side with Rayleigh"

and then 4 panels later said

"stands shoulder to shoulder with Roger and Rayleigh".

Why not just accept he said equal to Roger and Rayleigh? The chapter was even just talking about this mystery 3rd person on Roger's crew who was way stronger than the rest like Rayleigh and a strength based feat against 100 pirates and mountain.
The issue also being because Oda doesn’t say the exact words, word for word, as he did with previous equals so therefore to their brain it doesn’t translate to them being equals, it’s a mixed bag of copium/comprehension issues
 
#71
Do you have some type of hormone deficiency to start hating on Scopper in just one chapter?

And with dogshit arguments too.

Wdym missed? how do you know he was trying to hit road? why would he try to kill him?

The garp panel you're showing applies to scopper too, and depending on how it goes, all Those panels will. But to me it's obvious they all do.

We're seeing him much later when the power levels are also much higher, now seeing coc being used like that is not impressive, even katakuri can do that shit.

Unlike Ray who just retired and got rusty and just lives a quiet life, Scopper likes the chaos, he literally said so. He would've also just ignored the strange haki from shamrock/gunko appearing, but he didn't he was willing to investigate.

And who knows maybe Scopper has been upkeeping with his training and staying sharp the whole time, and now he's literally testing Yonko luffy, when he already knows Luffy beat Kaido.

That's aura :goyea:
Very well said
 
#73
Literally NOTHING HAS CHANGED
If anything, it has changed for the worst for the Sanji fanboys

First of all, it'simply idiotic to take the statement literally, as it would otherwise imply that Gaban = Rayleigh = Roger, no escape from that
And does someone seriously believe such a thing? So do the same people think that Sanji = Luffy = Zoro?
Oh wait... they conveniently try to not see Roger/Luffy, removing them from the equation for their agenda...

The chapter simply says that Gaban is "equal" to Roger and Rayleigh in the sense that he is in the same plane as them as pirates of legendary status
Like Shiki to Roger, Oden to Roger and Whitebeard, and so on (guess why... no one has ever considered Shiki equal to Roger in strength or Oden equal to Roger and Whitebeard in strength)

In fact, the word used is the same used to say that Luffy is "equal" to Shanks now,
Which obviously was in the sense that Luffy is in the same plane as Shanks as both are Yonkos





The word used for Gaban/Roger/Rayleigh and Luffy/Shanks is the same








And it's DIFFERENT from the one used to depict "equality" regarding overall combat strength



It's not even fame, given that Roger as the Pirate King is possibly the most famous pirate ever, and Rayleigh is famous enough to be in HISTORY BOOKS, with any single Straw Hat knowing about him...
... While no one of them even knew who the f... Gaban was
Roger = Everyone knowns and is in history books
Rayleigh = Everyone knows and is in history books
Gaban = Many don't know and He is NOT in history books



So it's not fighting strength, it's not fame/reputation, it's just general standing, based not on my opinion but on words used, comparisons of different portrayal, and some common sense

In fact, you see that Rayleigh is consistently portrayed as SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE Gaban, with the two NOT being put in the same level

Rayleigh is the person closest to Roger, not Gaban, neither Rayleigh and Gaban, that's shown and literally stated



Rayleigh is CONFIRMED STRONGER than Gaban
By the author himself, with no if or but, PLAINLY STRONGER
No Rayleigh and Gaban tied for N2 or close enough that a N2 can't be highlighted... Rayleigh is the undesputable N2





Unsurprisingly, when the author illustrates the Roger Pirates
One can barely see Gaban compared to Rayleigh and Roger
Roger and Rayleigh steal the entire scene, put at the center, with equal focus
Gaban? You can barely spot him, he is so insignificant that even freaking Crocus and kid Shanks and kid Buggy get more focus than him!
Why, do you think?



It's a coincidence that Oda called these characters with names based on the metals that EVERYONE IN THIS WORLD know to scale as precious metals/not precious metals, and olympic medals as 🥇🥈🥉? Come on, use common sense...

Gold > Silver > Copper (bronze is made of copper) 🥇🥈🥉
Gol D. Roger > Silvers Rayleigh > Scopper Gaban

Likewise

Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

Zoro has, throughout the ENTIRE STORY, always had much better feats and stronger powers
Has much higher combat potential and much higher fighting benchmarks
We know Zoro's combat speed is fast enough to keep up with Sanji's movement speed
Zoro has the endurance to endure Sanji's kicks, and the Haki and physical strength to block them with his swords
Sanji can't survive Zoro's Adv CoC attacks, Zoro can survive Sanji's attacks
Sanji's current strongest attacks literally tingled Luffy's back, Zoro's strongest attack from 150 chapter ago and two power ups ago could permanently damage Kaido who eclipses Luffy in passive durability... in terms of attacking power and Haki, Zoro outclasses Sanji by a large, large, large margin
It can be a decent fight between 100% Sanji and holding back Zoro, when Zoro uses his 100% Sanji gets destroyed

Hell, chapter even shows us that Gaban sees Roger in both Luffy and Zoro
Luffy and Zoro who ignore Gaban completely, would they treat Rayleigh the same? We have literally seen they won't lmao

 
#75
I thought side by side scaling was bullshit, so when Gaban isn't placed side by side with him it means he isn't as strong? :kobeha:

Won't read the rest (Fenaker forced me doing it already)
Bro there was no debate before
And there's no debate now

Want a TLDR? This is



Rayleigh is CONFIRMED STRONGER than Gaban
By the author himself, with no if or but, PLAINLY STRONGER
No Rayleigh and Gaban tied for N2 or close enough that a N2 can't be highlighted... Rayleigh is the undesputable N2, Vice Captain, Right-hand Man

This alone kills any debate

Not to mention the very easy 🥇>🥈>🥉 thing
 
#76
Bro there was no debate before
And there's no debate now

Want a TLDR? This is



Rayleigh is CONFIRMED STRONGER than Gaban
By the author himself, with no if or but, PLAINLY STRONGER
No Rayleigh and Gaban tied for N2 or close enough that a N2 can't be highlighted... Rayleigh is the undesputable N2, Vice Captain, Right-hand Man

This alone kills any debate

Not to mention the very easy 🥇>🥈>🥉 thing
Ongoing manga > Color spread and SBS

The story isn't over, and not every crew works the same

What we have is the Left Hand (not number 3) who stands shoulder to shoulder (which can be also be read as "equal to"), who has a tale about him showcasing his strength. Right Hands might be the main advisors for the captains, there obviously can't be TWO right hands occupying the same position, but not every crew has someone that can hold the Left Hand position like the RP and SHP do (even if some have someone comparable)

Another debate about the colorspread would be the context it was inserted. At the time, Sanji asked Zoro to kill him in a desperate attempt to avoid the worst from happening (which didn't even happened cuz Zoro only woke up 1 week later), and that could've been the last straw for Oda to pick Zoro as the number 2, aside from being the First Mate obviously. But that only makes sense if we apply the same logic from the Heart Pirates to the Strawhat Pirates using Bepo's case.
 
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#78
Unlike Gaban's bum ass, Rayleigh is very important character.

- Made his debut in chapter 500 (unlike Gaban who appears randomly in 1139)
- Just look at how Rayleigh made his debut, flexing CoC and made everyone aware of his aura. Compare that to Gaban made his debut attacking fodder Road and missed.

- Fucked Admiral Kizaru and made him frustrated.
- Invaded Marineford once.
He embarrassed Kizaru and went to Marineford, all without any consequence. Whole Navy knows he lives freely in Sabaody (which is not under any Yonko's protection unlike Elbaf, and actually pretty close to Marineford iirc), even Hero of the Navy Garp highly worried of him, yet they all did nothing to Rayleigh.
- Became Luffy's personal mentor during timeskip.
- Fucked the Sabaody Navy once more right after timeskip, and again no consequence.
- Rescued Hancock.
- Made Yonko Blackbeard retreating.
- Have Godlike reputation.


All happened while Gaban hid his ass in his former junior's territory. Dude basically admitting he's afraid of Kaido, sharing same little dick energy with Greenshoes.

He won't even become relevant anymore after Elbaf arc (that's assuming he survives and not actually getting killed when he jobs to Shamrock to complete the Sanji's parallel in being perfect hype tool). After Elbaf arc he only appears in cover story or a few small panels every 50 chapters or so.

Unlike Rayleigh which becomes 1 of most important character in the manga, Gaban is most likely one arc only character. Another relic of the past, like Don Chinjao. Well probably slightly less than Chinjao, because at least Oda gives CoC to Chinjao.

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A perfect post. Well done.
 
#79
Manga > Color spread and SBS

And besides, the story isn't over, and not every crew works the same

What we have is the Left Hand (not number 3) who stands shoulder to shoulder (which can be also be read as "equal to"), who has a tale about him showcasing his strength. Right Hands might be the main advisors for the captains, there obviously can't be TWO right hands occupying the same position, but not every crew has someone that can hold the Left Hand position like the RP and SHP do (even if some have someone comparable)

Another debate about the colorspread would be the context it was inserted. At the time, Sanji asked Zoro to kill him in a desperate attempt to avoid the worst from happening (which didn't even happened cuz Zoro only woke up 1 week later), and that could've been the last straw for Oda to pick Zoro as the number 2, aside from being the First Mate obviously.
Color spread is literally a cover from the manga, SBS is literally answers from the manga author
Like it or not, you can't run from that

Roger is N1, Rayleigh is N2, Gaban is by exclusion N3 that's pretty clear
Rayleigh wouldn't be vice captain, N2, right-hand man, Dark King to Pirate King otherwise

Again, you can make all attempts to belittle the cover/SBS and pretend it doesn't exist and what not, but the fact that there's one undesputable N2 alone kills any debate
There won't be a clear superior between Neko/Imu or Dorry/Brogy...
There is, by the author's word, a clear superior between King/Queen, Benn/ Lucky Roux, Rayleigh/Gaban, Zoro/Sanji, Sabo/Ivankov, and so on
 
#80
Unlike Gaban's bum ass, Rayleigh is very important character.

- Made his debut in chapter 500 (unlike Gaban who appears randomly in 1139)
- Just look at how Rayleigh made his debut, flexing CoC and made everyone aware of his aura. Compare that to Gaban made his debut attacking fodder Road and missed.

- Fucked Admiral Kizaru and made him frustrated.
- Invaded Marineford once.
He embarrassed Kizaru and went to Marineford, all without any consequence. Whole Navy knows he lives freely in Sabaody (which is not under any Yonko's protection unlike Elbaf, and actually pretty close to Marineford iirc), even Hero of the Navy Garp highly worried of him, yet they all did nothing to Rayleigh.
- Became Luffy's personal mentor during timeskip.
- Fucked the Sabaody Navy once more right after timeskip, and again no consequence.
- Rescued Hancock.
- Made Yonko Blackbeard retreating.
- Have Godlike reputation.


All happened while Gaban hid his ass in his former junior's territory. Dude basically admitting he's afraid of Kaido, sharing same little dick energy with Greenshoes.

He won't even become relevant anymore after Elbaf arc (that's assuming he survives and not actually getting killed when he jobs to Shamrock to complete the Sanji's parallel in being perfect hype tool). After Elbaf arc he only appears in cover story or a few small panels every 50 chapters or so.

Unlike Rayleigh which becomes 1 of most important character in the manga, Gaban is most likely one arc only character. Another relic of the past, like Don Chinjao. Well probably slightly less than Chinjao, because at least Oda gives CoC to Chinjao.

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cope more you stupid zoro dicksucker
 
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