General & Others Stop judging an arc while it is going on ffs
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Sabody Archipalego, Amazon Lily, Impel Down, Marine Ford and Ace/Luffy flash back COMBINED took less time than Wano alone. The pacing has been getting worse and worse post time skip where THREE of the longest arc in One Piece are in POST TIME SKIP. So again you're wrong. The pacing was justified and relatively good for the most part pretime skip however Post time skip has taken pacing to a whole new level of terrible.
Sabaody and Amazon lily are both setup arcs, the whole point of sabaody was to seperate the strawhats. The whole point of A.L was to get Luffy to impel down, ofc those arcs will not be long.
And YES people WERE complaining about Marineford dragging, one of the reasons was that we only had like 2 chapters a month.
And YES people WERE complaining about Marineford dragging, one of the reasons was that we only had like 2 chapters a month.
Hi! Another 15+ year weekly reader here, and I can honestly say that a lot of plot points that sucked at the time were still irritating upon rereading on a binge, and critiquing a work in progress is every bit as valid as doing so when it’s complete if it’s a publicly released series...don’t know how or why you would want to follow a part of the story for months, even years, before deciding whether or not you like it 
Hi! Another 15+ year weekly reader here, and I can honestly say that a lot of plot points that sucked at the time were still irritating upon rereading on a binge, and critiquing a work in progress is every bit as valid as doing so when it’s complete if it’s a publicly released series...don’t know how or why you would want to follow a part of the story for months, even years, before deciding whether or not you like it
I get what u saying.
Wano still trash tier.
A narrative mess.
Useless plots.
Useless silhouettes.
Useless dragging.
Useless side characters.
Useless "hyped characters".
Garbage pacing.
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we had what? 10 chapters for Kaido vs Scabbards plus the roof piece stuff that didn't advance anything that could have been advanced in 3-4 chapters.
Meanwhile 90% of the plot, which is, everything not roof piece, gets dragged and dragged, and offscreened, time jumps, a fucking mess of a back and forth.
You want anyone in their right mind to say that Onigashima is not that bad?
Onigashima is worse.
Some pretty panels with a few power ups don't change that.
Wano still trash tier.
A narrative mess.
Useless plots.
Useless silhouettes.
Useless dragging.
Useless side characters.
Useless "hyped characters".
Garbage pacing.
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we had what? 10 chapters for Kaido vs Scabbards plus the roof piece stuff that didn't advance anything that could have been advanced in 3-4 chapters.
Meanwhile 90% of the plot, which is, everything not roof piece, gets dragged and dragged, and offscreened, time jumps, a fucking mess of a back and forth.
You want anyone in their right mind to say that Onigashima is not that bad?
Onigashima is worse.
Some pretty panels with a few power ups don't change that.
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On the contrary, rereading has changed my mind on a lot of stuff...for instance, Dressrosa gets better for me whenever I go back there, even if I never fully accept the Straw Hats separating yet again. It’s the main reason I hated WCI, but in contrast to Dressrosa, I find more things to dislike about that arc each time, or at least continue to find certain things unpleasant. I agree, a lot of the criticism for Wano is repeated from past arcs, but that speaks just as much to the quality of Oda’s writing as it does the reaction of the fandom.
I have been reading weekly for 12y and have to agree with u that people jump into conclusions to soon, and we can see this in how one character can go from being weak to strong in the eyes of the public very fast, we have seen this with Apoo, when the idiots started to say he was the stongest supernova after he attacked Luffy, and that Luffy is trash and a lot of shit.
But at the same time Wano have been not like the other arcs, its have become too boring and big, with characters that no one care about, like the people from Wano, outshining the crew and the supernovas and Oda spending endless time in plotlines that change nothing to the story, like, wtf was the Ice Oni shit? If u read the earlier arcs they too have some useless plots, but Oda solve them in quickier, in Wano he have been draging too much, look at the Scabbards in Onigashima, what have they done that was usefull? Nothing. And Big Mom? Oda dont know what to do with her soo he came up with amnesia and this "mother mode". It have become sad to this point to read and think that this is One Piece.
Seems like Oda was trying to make something big with Wano, but he build so many thing that now he dont know how to solve It, and the masive number of characters makes that no one can have a interactions for more than 1 chapter because he need to show the random Wano people crying about Oden. Its kind like he wanna make a mix of Ennies Lobby and Marineford, and wasnt able to make nothing close to it.
The great show of how bad is Wano, is that the best chapters of the Arc are the ones that show the outside world.
But at the same time Wano have been not like the other arcs, its have become too boring and big, with characters that no one care about, like the people from Wano, outshining the crew and the supernovas and Oda spending endless time in plotlines that change nothing to the story, like, wtf was the Ice Oni shit? If u read the earlier arcs they too have some useless plots, but Oda solve them in quickier, in Wano he have been draging too much, look at the Scabbards in Onigashima, what have they done that was usefull? Nothing. And Big Mom? Oda dont know what to do with her soo he came up with amnesia and this "mother mode". It have become sad to this point to read and think that this is One Piece.
Seems like Oda was trying to make something big with Wano, but he build so many thing that now he dont know how to solve It, and the masive number of characters makes that no one can have a interactions for more than 1 chapter because he need to show the random Wano people crying about Oden. Its kind like he wanna make a mix of Ennies Lobby and Marineford, and wasnt able to make nothing close to it.
The great show of how bad is Wano, is that the best chapters of the Arc are the ones that show the outside world.
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WCI is still worst arc ever. Wano can't surpass this mark no matter how hard Oda tries(and he is trying really hard).
This bullshit of "don't judge unfinished arcs" are poor excuse of blind fanboys that can't take people spitting truth about the garbage Oda draws.
Magellan one-shotting BB CREW after we saw what BB done with Ace it is something to complain about it. Specially because BB went after WB and got his DF(not killed him though).
Squardo stabbing WB is a great scene but it lacks informations about how WB got stabbed. Oda didn't explained clear that WB was heavily nerfed by his disease and how this nerf would come. Because he wasn't anywhere nerfed in his pure absolute strength. He was nerfed in his fighting capabilities only.
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Bullshit, those fuckers editors keeping making chapters small so that is why it needes so many chapters. OP with 30 pages per chapter would be way less than currently 1013 chapters and much more enjoyable.
This bullshit of "don't judge unfinished arcs" are poor excuse of blind fanboys that can't take people spitting truth about the garbage Oda draws.
Magellan one-shotting BB CREW after we saw what BB done with Ace it is something to complain about it. Specially because BB went after WB and got his DF(not killed him though).
Squardo stabbing WB is a great scene but it lacks informations about how WB got stabbed. Oda didn't explained clear that WB was heavily nerfed by his disease and how this nerf would come. Because he wasn't anywhere nerfed in his pure absolute strength. He was nerfed in his fighting capabilities only.
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Bullshit, those fuckers editors keeping making chapters small so that is why it needes so many chapters. OP with 30 pages per chapter would be way less than currently 1013 chapters and much more enjoyable.
I’ve done my fair share of “Oda ain’t shit! Fuck this shit” on OJ, so I’ll jus ask tha OP this. If you were watching a show that has 5 seasons and 30 episodes per season, and you wasn’t feeling tha first 8 episodes of season 1(you didn’t like tha writing, weren’t interested in tha characters, pacing was dragging). You still wouldn’t say anything bout it huh? You’d sit there with a smile and not say shit bout it cause it ain’t done yet huh.....
See both sides of the argument for this
Yeah, people always complain about the pacing. Always. Especially in fightig arcs like EL and Dressrosa (wasn’t around for Alabasta) where Oda takes his sweet time setting up the fights and swapping between characters. And it is always better on a reread, cause you can just fly through the dull stuff and get to the hihoights.
But... One Piece is released weekly(ish). If a chapter is a stinker, it’s a stinker. And there’s some plot decisions that no amount of time will be able to improve- I don’t think I’ll ever think the last third of WCI was any good. It’s perfectly legit to criticise things like that, without waiting for the end of the arc and the story as a whole. If you don’t like the Scabbards... then you don’t like the Scabbards, time isn’t going to improve that now.
But yeah, some complaints are just stupid and will get resolved in the next few chapters. “Just wait and see” is a reasonable thing to say in some occasions. Think this happens for power levellers more than anything, where a character looking slightly bad one chapter (and this place has lost it’s mind for this shit, overanalysing characters huffing, drops of sweat, facial expressions) is a complete disaster and the worst thing ever... then two chapters later they turn around and do something really impressive. I’m bad for this with Big Mom
Yeah, people always complain about the pacing. Always. Especially in fightig arcs like EL and Dressrosa (wasn’t around for Alabasta) where Oda takes his sweet time setting up the fights and swapping between characters. And it is always better on a reread, cause you can just fly through the dull stuff and get to the hihoights.
But... One Piece is released weekly(ish). If a chapter is a stinker, it’s a stinker. And there’s some plot decisions that no amount of time will be able to improve- I don’t think I’ll ever think the last third of WCI was any good. It’s perfectly legit to criticise things like that, without waiting for the end of the arc and the story as a whole. If you don’t like the Scabbards... then you don’t like the Scabbards, time isn’t going to improve that now.
But yeah, some complaints are just stupid and will get resolved in the next few chapters. “Just wait and see” is a reasonable thing to say in some occasions. Think this happens for power levellers more than anything, where a character looking slightly bad one chapter (and this place has lost it’s mind for this shit, overanalysing characters huffing, drops of sweat, facial expressions) is a complete disaster and the worst thing ever... then two chapters later they turn around and do something really impressive. I’m bad for this with Big Mom
By the time I caught up to Japan by having read all of the previous chapters, it was the introduction of Tonjit. Most people started later than I did and therefore have a deeper binge. Then they wonder why the pacing seemed so much better earlier...
Lol, first off you're not buying Jump. If you're on this forum you would be considered an English reader, and the English distributor releases weekly chapters for free... and then you pay for the collected content. The people who sell the product don't even see the value of the chapters individually anymore, so you can't complain from the perspective of a paying customer.
Second, you say that Holdem isn't fun because you don't enjoy it. But in a binge read, isn't there enough to keep you entertained despite stuff you don't like?
"Season one" is different because manga isn't tv. As a very general concept even, it's different because no continuing story starts out fully formed even when the writer or director has the strongest vision.
As a true example to your question, I didn't find Game of Thrones interesting in the first three episodes. As the season went on I started to enjoy it more, and the season was enjoyable enough as a whole that it made me enjoy the first three episodes. If I looked back and didn't enjoy the first season I wouldn't continue watching. If the first six seasons were good and seven sucked, I'd also stop wasting my time there. I wouldn't invest the time into something I'm just bitching about now matter how far I got. I actually stopped GoT while I was enjoying it anyway because of the time it takes to sit and watch. Not that I think everyone is like me but I'm curious about how disagreeing with not wasting your time does anything for you lol.
But again, don't get caught up on making a show analogy. It's so different than talking about a serial that's almost 25 years old.
Lol, first off you're not buying Jump. If you're on this forum you would be considered an English reader, and the English distributor releases weekly chapters for free... and then you pay for the collected content. The people who sell the product don't even see the value of the chapters individually anymore, so you can't complain from the perspective of a paying customer.
Second, you say that Holdem isn't fun because you don't enjoy it. But in a binge read, isn't there enough to keep you entertained despite stuff you don't like?
"Season one" is different because manga isn't tv. As a very general concept even, it's different because no continuing story starts out fully formed even when the writer or director has the strongest vision.
As a true example to your question, I didn't find Game of Thrones interesting in the first three episodes. As the season went on I started to enjoy it more, and the season was enjoyable enough as a whole that it made me enjoy the first three episodes. If I looked back and didn't enjoy the first season I wouldn't continue watching. If the first six seasons were good and seven sucked, I'd also stop wasting my time there. I wouldn't invest the time into something I'm just bitching about now matter how far I got. I actually stopped GoT while I was enjoying it anyway because of the time it takes to sit and watch. Not that I think everyone is like me but I'm curious about how disagreeing with not wasting your time does anything for you lol.
But again, don't get caught up on making a show analogy. It's so different than talking about a serial that's almost 25 years old.
