Are the Iliad, the Odyssey, Greek tragedies and basically the entirety of Classical Literature Garbage?
No. But One Piece is comparable to those literatures.
But we're not scared to call out nonsense and give critique to his work when he do not like something.
Oh, you can dislike the technique. But saying is trash is just untrue. Like I mentionned to someone here (don't remember who) Its like talking about expressionnism and impressionism. You can dislike those, but denying there groundbreaking qualities is just ignoring everything about the craft.
It feels like you want Worstgen to be an echo chamber of One Piece dickriding, and that any and all criticism is pure hater posting from people who "can't read".
No. I want this forum to understand what are fair criticisms (ex : Oda has a problem of Women representation) with ignorant criticisms (ex: the technique used to create the Gear 5 revelation are BS) . I want people to stop throwing words they don't understand like "forshadowing" or "retcon" at random and actually learn REALLY LEARN about what storytelling is all about.
That's what I try to do with the Carrot theory, that's what I try to do with the Yamato fandom and that's what I'm trying to do here with the Gear 5.
It was certainly lying not impressive, nor is it anywhere near the best plot twist in storytelling history.
It was 100% plot armour cause Loda didn't know how else luffy could best Kaido, with his current powers, without it looking like some trash ending.
Then he went out of his way to give us a trash ending lol
Yeah there is nothing worth to reply to here.
I hate G5 because one peice fans unironically somehow believe it's better than ssj
Hating a plot twist because of fans is ridiculous.
Both are completely different PUs; one is based on pure creativity and reality warping, another one is passive reactions.
There is no creativity in Super Sayajin beside the color of the hair and the eyebrows.
Oda could never capture the greatness of SSJ3
He already did with Gear 5
And here is why I can't take people seriously here
Nothing creative about it
Generic white hair transformation(goku ui mastered>>>>>>>>)
Moves that are "insipred" by old cartoons
Nothing funny about it just cringe
I think you didn't read the thread.
Sure, why not? I mean, Lucci just wanted to kill Robin, including all his team members.
Luffy was so pissed at it, he got up again and dealt the finishing blow on Lucci to defeat him once and for all. So again, was anger not another reason why Luffy kept on fighting?
No, the reason why Luffy kept fighting was to keep his crew safe and to go away.
This was absolutely not the case with Lucci lmao.
That shit was personal.
Not at all no. You can check back the fight. Lucci was just in the way, no sign of anger.
Tf you say Luffy did transform by creativity? His G5 transformation is nothing about creativity, he didn't invent this mode, he just transformed into this mode after coming back from the death. His previous gears were pure training and creativity, G5 isn't.
I'm talking about G2. Stay on page.
And again, Luffy didn't even get a transformation but had the power to stand up and destroy Lucci with Jet Gatling. That was a pure "friendship" PU when the MC suddenly gets the strength to land a final attack.
No. This was just the first time Luffy used Jet Gatling. Oda always use the last move. The Power of friend ship is bullshit when a character is just surpassing the strenght of his opponent by doing the same thing just because of friendship, here, Luffy has indeed the power to stay still but he uses the right move too.
Also, what kinda bullshit is even that? "AnGeR cAuSeD hIs TrAnSfOrMaTiOn", so what was Luffy feeling when he was doing that:
Note that I'm only talking about transformation. Defeating an ennemy because of anger is perfectly legitimate. My problem comes with the sentance : "more anger = more power". Thing that do Dragon Ball but not One Piece.
Dude, stop bullshitting. Luffy is always pissed if it's personal because mostly these opponents treaten his friends. Katakuri is an exception since there was no personal feeling involved, Luffy merely wanted to surpass this man. Why is it a toxic trope when someone is so angry, reasonably since the villain literally blew up his BEST FRIEND FOR FUCKS SAKE, he literally transforms but not when another one beats his opponent until he latter goes in coma?
Katakuri and Lucci were indeed exceptions. But again, I'm talking about Transformations not the defeat. I repeat that because I think I was unclear on that point.
. I bet you are also one of those who blame shooter games why maniacs tend to do school shootings.
It's just pure idiotic nonsense.
Hm no.
When I saw Freezer punching Vegeta's kidneys, I didn't suddenly get the urge to punch my buddy's kidney like crazy.
I'm glad you didn't.
Many sane people can usually differentiate between fiction and reality.
And Kids ?
Then you cried how they can't understand storytelling and so on lol.
I never cried here (not that this is something shamefull ndlr) I'm having fun in this debate. I think you don't know me enough lmao
You literally said an usual Shounen trope is toxic and try to link it to reality
Not the shonen trope per say, the storytelling trope in general.
Like, what kind of normal human looks at the first cool Super Saiyan transformation and thinks "Yep, this is toxic..."
Someone that can both understand that this is cool, and that its a little bit f*cked up. Both are legitimate.
The idea was there, some hints also but the execution was poorly.
Nop
First of all, you mention that Red Hawk might be reality warping, why no hint at the first moment? Many people thought it might just be Haki-related - and that's a problem because Oda didn't give a hint to it. None at all.
I'm using Okham Razor, in this case, the reality warping because of the fruit, perfectly explain Red Hawk. You have the right to disagree, but it wouldn't be very rationnal.
Where was that freaking hint?
By the fact that Luffy can actually transform his body. This is something only Zoan are capable of.
Where is the full zoan transformation? What's the hybrid transformation?
This is an interesting question.
Taken into account that the ability of the fruit is Rubber + Imagination. The hybrid form are Gear 2 + gear 3 and the full transformation is Gear 4, you can see that because of the cloud scarf around his neak. Gear 5 is the awaken state of all of this. It takes the propriety of both Gear 2 and Gear 3 AND the power of Gear 4.
When was Oda making it clear Luffy's rubbery abilities are not in fact acting like rubber?
Since the moment Oda used Gear 2. Pumping blood shouldn't be possible for a rubber man. It's Luffy using his own imagination here. Same, blowing air by bitting his finger shouldn't make his bone bigger and all the more shouldn't permit the air from going to one point to another (check the first gear 3 transformation). We accepted it because its One Piece, its gooffy, Luffy can make his tooth grow back for example.. but the fact is... all of this are inspired by REAL TOON IMAGERY, all of this is REALITY WARPING. That's why I say that Gear 5 is amazing. Because it puts a real explanation for all those things that we accepted because its was funny. Gear 5 took us back to the beginning of the story and WARP our own reality of it. Its in this sence that Gear 5 is so masterfull. This is something that author have HARD time doing, I'm not joking when I say that. This is the first story I read where something so masterfull happens. Even the end of Usual suspect was not that impressive.
There are 1080 chapters and we only get 2 hints at the Gomu Gomu no Mi being something different
Like I said.. its a LOT MORE than that. You and others just have accepted those little detail as part of the story. But I've always questionned those things especially Red Hawk. For god sake.. Oda put that attack in the OCEAN. That should have ringed a bell in ALL your heads. This should not be possible. UNLESS... Nika.
Oda could always drop some lines of enemies saying "WHAT? How is that possible? That's not how rubber should behave!!
You should know by now that Oda never takes his audience for morons. From a scale to Supergirl TO Breaking Bad, Oda is at least a Game Of throne in that matter (minus the last seasons). Unless he needs to remind you legitimately of something, he does not explain or the least amount possible. He let you discover the story. That's why so many people missed the developpment of Sanji during the entire serie and are putting an L on Sanji during Whole cake. Even his hardcore fans didn't understand his development. So of course you could say that Oda wasn't clear enough. But my guess is that people were just to engaged into illegitimate expectations. They wanted a fight, they didn't get it, so whole cake is an L.. too bad. They didn't understand the story.
People are so used that we explain everything to them and when we don't.. its garbage.. This is why I'm here. I'll do the explanations.
Some examples of cliché plot twist ideas include:
- The antagonist was really the protagonist’s father.
- None of it ever happened because it was just a dream.
- There was only ever one hero that could save the day, and it turns out it’s the protagonist.
- Someone faked their death and returned later to save the day.
1. I don't see how all of this is applying to Luffy
2. A cliche is not necessaraly a bad thing when used rightly.
So, you cant describe it even with your "plot twist techniques," lol.
The plot twist technique is simple, this was just a distraction. Oda made us think that Luffy's abilities were normal when they were not, simple.
