Chapter Discussion Strawhats are irrelevant
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The Straw Hats are an embarrassing ensemble of a “main cast.”
It’s honestly a joke that they keep being propagated as the main characters despite their comical lack of relevance in the overall plot.
It is quite telling that the most story-impactful arc to date was devoid of the Straw Hats (Marineford).
It’s honestly a joke that they keep being propagated as the main characters despite their comical lack of relevance in the overall plot.
It is quite telling that the most story-impactful arc to date was devoid of the Straw Hats (Marineford).
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Title, they are irrelevant, their dream has had 0 impact and progress in the new world and basically arent connected to any plot point
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So basically any zoro vs sanji or romance dawn trio vs monster trio discussion or anything like that is this meme:
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So basically any zoro vs sanji or romance dawn trio vs monster trio discussion or anything like that is this meme:
Agenda piece and only caring about fights gave people brainrot
Same with the pre-ts being so much better that's why I brought up little garden where half of the crew just sat down listen to dorry (same thing that happened this arc), was offscreen or LITTERARLY frozen as candle stick in place after jobbing lmao.
Nothing happened in the last 30 chapters that is monumentally different from other arcs, if anything there was more because all the strawhats, even the weaklings trio, interacted with the main arc bosses even showing companion ship with saving robin
Same with the pre-ts being so much better that's why I brought up little garden where half of the crew just sat down listen to dorry (same thing that happened this arc), was offscreen or LITTERARLY frozen as candle stick in place after jobbing lmao.
Nothing happened in the last 30 chapters that is monumentally different from other arcs, if anything there was more because all the strawhats, even the weaklings trio, interacted with the main arc bosses even showing companion ship with saving robin
Little garden is 15 chapters and most of the crew did absolutely nothing
You have a problem with the last 30 chapter and they already did infinitely more, ignoring that's the only thing they did
I see the issue with pacing absolutely and I have criticism with the arc myself but the relevancy of the SHs ain't it, which is the topic
You have a problem with the last 30 chapter and they already did infinitely more, ignoring that's the only thing they did
I see the issue with pacing absolutely and I have criticism with the arc myself but the relevancy of the SHs ain't it, which is the topic
The pacing and relevance is connected. I would not call what most strawhats did since chapter 1090 relevant and 30 chapters is a long wait for the main cast to do something, especially with all the breaks.
Not a fan of Side characters like Dorry and Broggy and the giants basically stealing what the strawhats could have done (fight off the marines, help Luffy vs Gorosei). Most of the strawhats have barely exerted themselves, Sanji and Franky remain unharmed, there's just so much more that could have been done with them.
Not a fan of Side characters like Dorry and Broggy and the giants basically stealing what the strawhats could have done (fight off the marines, help Luffy vs Gorosei). Most of the strawhats have barely exerted themselves, Sanji and Franky remain unharmed, there's just so much more that could have been done with them.
I don't think any author can deal with 10 characters shining every arc, the best I seen is Jojo sticking with a band of characters rotating the spotlight.
However Oda uses Luffy to solve everything too much, theres no variety like JOjo for others too shine.
A enemy appears? Luffy can handle it alone
However Oda uses Luffy to solve everything too much, theres no variety like JOjo for others too shine.
A enemy appears? Luffy can handle it alone
It doesn't help that Luffy clashed with 4 of the 5 Gorosei, being the main 1 to send 2 of them away (Mars and Saturn) and the only strawhat to fight Jupeter and Warcury. Plus fighting Kizaru twice before that. And Lucci before that. And an extended fight vs the Seraphim while everyone else's fight got skipped over...
Yeah, how can anyone look at that and not see a lopsided amount given to the "main character" over the "main cast"? People are begging for the anime and Live Action to add scenes for the strawhats cause it's not happening in the manga.
Yeah, how can anyone look at that and not see a lopsided amount given to the "main character" over the "main cast"? People are begging for the anime and Live Action to add scenes for the strawhats cause it's not happening in the manga.
Title, they are irrelevant, their dream has had 0 impact and progress in the new world and basically arent connected to any plot point
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So basically any zoro vs sanji or romance dawn trio vs monster trio discussion or anything like that is this meme:
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So basically any zoro vs sanji or romance dawn trio vs monster trio discussion or anything like that is this meme:
Jinbe is Captain of the Sun Pirates that wrecked the Gorosei and previously affiliated with Big Mom as well as made the Celestial Dragons lose a lot of slaves. Jinbei is more important than Luffy
But Little Garden had more focus on the crew? The fact that after more than a decade, Vivi still feels like a natural SH for accompanying the crew more than other side characters that accompanies them was because the crew was still the focus and we saw the journey through their eyes. We saw her interact naturally with every member ON SCREEN hence felt like one.
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And after Marine Ford, One Piece quality deteriorated.
Even as someone who wants the SH focus, Marine ford and its prologue arcs were great because
1- the plot was good
2- the characters were interesting
3 - it was the first time the crew wasn’t the focus in an entire saga so back then it felt like a fresh air if we return to the crew eventually.
Unfortunately, Oda saw it was popular and thought that doing that for the rest of the story would be better somehow. But it didn’t. The more he kept focusing on introducing new characters (especially island locals) the lamer it got. It doesn’t feel fresh anymore that the crew isn’t the focus. It just makes you go back to the older arcs and reflect on how good they were.
I am 99% sure the final war would not be as good as MF and it would be a mess where the Strawhats would feel even more irrelevant than Onigashima.
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And after Marine Ford, One Piece quality deteriorated.
Even as someone who wants the SH focus, Marine ford and its prologue arcs were great because
1- the plot was good
2- the characters were interesting
3 - it was the first time the crew wasn’t the focus in an entire saga so back then it felt like a fresh air if we return to the crew eventually.
Unfortunately, Oda saw it was popular and thought that doing that for the rest of the story would be better somehow. But it didn’t. The more he kept focusing on introducing new characters (especially island locals) the lamer it got. It doesn’t feel fresh anymore that the crew isn’t the focus. It just makes you go back to the older arcs and reflect on how good they were.
I am 99% sure the final war would not be as good as MF and it would be a mess where the Strawhats would feel even more irrelevant than Onigashima.
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