Future Events Surpassing the Expectations
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While Sun god is made to be a mere King of pirates, Demon god is King of hell and manifestation of power itself.
Zoro isnt satisfied with number 5 or number 2, he is after being the strongest, not 2nd strongest.
Zoro is created to be #1 in the world because Luffy isnt strong enough.
Oda's golden kid will shine in other areas but strength belongs to Zoro.
Zoro isnt satisfied with number 5 or number 2, he is after being the strongest, not 2nd strongest.
Zoro is created to be #1 in the world because Luffy isnt strong enough.
Oda's golden kid will shine in other areas but strength belongs to Zoro.
Zoro's opponents do indeed get more and more broken with their abilities.
These Zoro-haters will underestimate Shiryu, and every Zoro opponent like they usually do, and Oda will put them in their place, like he usually does.
Just waiting for the "my perverted cook can also beat this guy....hurr durr fastist sped & phyre"
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These Zoro-haters will underestimate Shiryu, and every Zoro opponent like they usually do, and Oda will put them in their place, like he usually does.
Just waiting for the "my perverted cook can also beat this guy....hurr durr fastist sped & phyre"
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Bullshit.
Where does it ever say Zoro has higher potential than Luffy with haki?
All we've seen throughout the series is Luffy has better haki than Zoro.
Luffy CoC > Zoro CoC
Luffy CoA > Zoro CoA
Luffy CoO > Zoro CoO
All backed up by feats not headcanon.
Nik.
You keep mentioning old feats because the current feats don't stand up.
Why can't you just admit Luffy is stronger than Zoro it baffles me how you can have logic for so much but when it comes to Zoro you just throw it all out the window and lose all rationality.
Where does it ever say Zoro has higher potential than Luffy with haki?
All we've seen throughout the series is Luffy has better haki than Zoro.
Luffy CoC > Zoro CoC
Luffy CoA > Zoro CoA
Luffy CoO > Zoro CoO
All backed up by feats not headcanon.
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Nik.
You keep mentioning old feats because the current feats don't stand up.
Why can't you just admit Luffy is stronger than Zoro it baffles me how you can have logic for so much but when it comes to Zoro you just throw it all out the window and lose all rationality.
What old feats... I am mentioning author himself placing Zoro on par or superior to Luffy in all 3 parts of the voyage - Whiskey Peak to gauge their strength in East blue, Thriller bark to gauge their strength in Paradise and rooftop to gauge their strength in New world.
And in every stretch of the sea, Zoro is superior, it was never Luffy when they were put in direct comparison. It baffles me that despite knowing this, vast majority still thinks Luffy is stronger of the two...
I will admit Luffy as stronger when he either beats Zoro or beats someone that Zoro cant beat, with equal number of attempts and not due to being a natural counter like in case of Enel which will practically never happen.
Zoro has one mission in his life and that's to be stronger than anyone else in the world and his Demon God is proof of that and he certainly wont lose to Luffy, nor will Mihawk who was designed to be beatable only by Zoro, as all other SHs dreams are designed to only be achievable by each of them.
Furthermore, as explained in this thread, all Zoro's opponents are designed with state of invincibility unlike Luffy's opponents which you simply power through...
And in every stretch of the sea, Zoro is superior, it was never Luffy when they were put in direct comparison. It baffles me that despite knowing this, vast majority still thinks Luffy is stronger of the two...
I will admit Luffy as stronger when he either beats Zoro or beats someone that Zoro cant beat, with equal number of attempts and not due to being a natural counter like in case of Enel which will practically never happen.
Zoro has one mission in his life and that's to be stronger than anyone else in the world and his Demon God is proof of that and he certainly wont lose to Luffy, nor will Mihawk who was designed to be beatable only by Zoro, as all other SHs dreams are designed to only be achievable by each of them.
Furthermore, as explained in this thread, all Zoro's opponents are designed with state of invincibility unlike Luffy's opponents which you simply power through...
When you see a nik87 thread, you know what time it is.
At this point, it is basically a pattern, both for Zoro as well as for his opponents. Oda is upping whatever expectations we had for them.
You dont have to take my word for it, you yourselves know the best when it comes to what expectations you had for Zoro before rooftop.
From beating a Fishman underwater or beating a Logia through fear alone to beating a walking mountain or a Lunarian in the sky, every Zoro's achievement has been nothing short of simply amazing. It may not have looked much back then when it happened but even now, how many characters can say they achieved similar...
The feats themselves are slowly getting more and more spotlight as time passes because nobody gets even close to Zoro's performance even many years later. The walking mountain is returning in Blackbeard's crew to be EOS challenge for one of the Strawhats, the Lunarian children are being hailed as peak of humanity thanks to King's DNA, Dragon Damnation being a far better feat than Shanks' Divine Departure, the "peers" from Worst Generation being unable to block a many times weaker attack than Hakai that Zoro blocked and continued fighting afterwards as well as surviving its doubled effect...
The 2nd guy ever to leave a permanent scar on WSC's dragon scales, the 1st ever to achieve it without aCoC, however you slice it, it is clear that Zoro is just getting started and he already rules this game with his achievements. Needless to say:
The author needs to narratively outdo every previous Zoro's opponent in some way so you are about to see why this might be hard to do.
Consider what he did in Wano - he upped fighting a super tough guy like Kaido by fighting an even tougher guy King.
Oda surpassed Kaido's dragon scales that lower the damage by a significant degree with a guy who has complete damage immunity.
Where do we go from there?!
Let's backtrack a little...
Ever since the walking mountain Pica, it seems that all Zoro's major future opponents will have an unbeatable state. That's what it takes!
You might wonder, what is this, what are you talking about?! Well, think, both Pica and King have a state in which they cannot be beaten.
As long as Pica is in the ground and not separated from it, he is unbeatable, safe under countless rocks that keep him hidden.
For King it was his racial ability that gave the whole race a godly status, the Lunarian flame that makes them invincible according to Zoro.
Zoro's opponents are usually easy to spot and in the future, 4 guys await us who need to surpass whatever came before them.
It's not hard to guess that Kizaru, bald Gorosei, Shiryu and Mihawk are those who need to up this insane game of Zoro's opponents.
Normal means cannot stop Zoro so every future opponent has to bring something insane to the table to stop the unstoppable.
At least for 10 minutes, which is how long Zoro's fights last. If that timer remains until EOS, it's another testament to Zoro's insane power.
Fighting for 10 days truly ends up like nothing but empty narrative hype when you cannot last 10 minutes against the green beast.
1. Kizaru, the OG Admiral with Unclear Justice is the guy who picked on Zoro wanting to kill him in Sabaody. He is next to face Zoro, imo.
A logia with an element that is not from this world like all other logias are, with nearly unlimited potential will test his luck against Zoro.
His means of stalling Zoro arent super toughness or racial abilities or incredible haki but an off-planetary element.
He too, like Pica and Alber before him, as well as others after him, should have a state of invincibility. This is a minimum requirement.
Light itself offers super speed and possible reflection due to sacred mirrors and he is probably in possession of a supreme-grade sword.
Coincidentally, he is an excellent swordsman as proven in his fight with the Dark King himself and Zoro's path of god is still pending.
He represents the Deva, the gods of this world, the Celestial Dragons even though the position can also be filled with bald Gorosei.
2. Speaking of which, a ruthless member of Imu's war council, the supreme authority of the world, Gorosei uses a supreme grade Kitetsu.
Paralleling Ohm the Sky breeder, the emphasis of the fight will likely be on the sword itself being special, just like Ohm's sword was.
We really dont know much about any of the Elders but we will soon have an idea of what they are like when Saturn starts fighting.
We can speculate that he either has a Devil Fruit of that he fed one to his sword to make the sword special.
How he will outdo Kizaru is a mystery but it is safe to say that it will most likely happen anyway. Expectations have to be surpassed.
3. I have seen plenty of people underestimating Shiryu and thinking that he will just be another "gimmick"... People still dont get it...
You need to have a "gimmick" to stand a chance against Zoro and that "gimmick" is another form of invincibility that others also had.
The usual downplayers will call him YC1 as if that meant anything anymore considering that we are way past High tiers in strength.
King himself left a YC1 Marco in the dust without breaking a sweat and proceeded to fight Zoro. Shiryu was a top tier back in pre-TS.
Dont make the mistake to underestimate him and even then, he will surpass the expectations. The later he comes into the game the more insane he needs to be to outdo his predecessors. Outdoing King, Kizaru and the Elder wont be an easy task. We already speculated how he will stall Zoro and many agree that it will be his DF, other than already being one of the strongest swordsmen in the world, that gives Zoro the most trouble...
Nothingness, which is the most likely Awakening of his fruit, is one of the two special moments for Zoro, as stated by Koushiro but more about that in another thread... All we need to know is that it will be a form of invincibility unique to the blood-thirsty Head Jailer.
4. Last but not least, the stage takes Hawk Eyes Mihawk, the strongest swordsman of all time, until now.
This is a fight that will focus on two things, the sword and the haki. There will be no racial abilities, no devil fruits, zero shenanigans.
The obstacle will be the strongest hakiman that ever walked the planet, the one who wields the mark of the strongest, a black blade.
Of course, like all others before him since Pica, he too will have a form of invincibility and it will come from Yoru itself, the strongest weapon in the whole world. As Dracule Mihawk said himself - surpass this blade, surpass me. Zoro will have to cut through the toughest object in existence. As you may know, Zoro's name means Dawn while Yoru means Night so for the Dawn to take over, Zoro will have to cut through the Night.
At that point, Zoro is a swordsman who can cut Everything and Nothing. He will be the strongest creature/man/swordsman, all in one.
However, it is not hard to predict that anti-Zolo gang will bring excuses and copium to the table and try to deny it.
The only question is whether Oda will move them into a check-mate or not...
Will he bring an opponent from a different world because nobody is left in the OP world to fight Zoro?!
I have talked before about One Piece's possible inspirations when I talked about the source material for Mihawk and I mentioned Castlevania as one of the possibilities. Once Dracula and other vampires have fallen, the protagonist of Castlevania fights the ultimate opponent - Brook's cousin that appeared before Zoro in Wano! Will Zoro beat even Death itself to send the denial gang into eternal depression?! I guess only time will tell.
With that line, we wrap up today's lesson. I hope I didnt bother you with too much text.
No wank, no baits, simply an observation of patterns that occur in Zoro's fights.
At this point, it is basically a pattern, both for Zoro as well as for his opponents. Oda is upping whatever expectations we had for them.
You dont have to take my word for it, you yourselves know the best when it comes to what expectations you had for Zoro before rooftop.
From beating a Fishman underwater or beating a Logia through fear alone to beating a walking mountain or a Lunarian in the sky, every Zoro's achievement has been nothing short of simply amazing. It may not have looked much back then when it happened but even now, how many characters can say they achieved similar...
The feats themselves are slowly getting more and more spotlight as time passes because nobody gets even close to Zoro's performance even many years later. The walking mountain is returning in Blackbeard's crew to be EOS challenge for one of the Strawhats, the Lunarian children are being hailed as peak of humanity thanks to King's DNA, Dragon Damnation being a far better feat than Shanks' Divine Departure, the "peers" from Worst Generation being unable to block a many times weaker attack than Hakai that Zoro blocked and continued fighting afterwards as well as surviving its doubled effect...
The 2nd guy ever to leave a permanent scar on WSC's dragon scales, the 1st ever to achieve it without aCoC, however you slice it, it is clear that Zoro is just getting started and he already rules this game with his achievements. Needless to say:
The author needs to narratively outdo every previous Zoro's opponent in some way so you are about to see why this might be hard to do.
Consider what he did in Wano - he upped fighting a super tough guy like Kaido by fighting an even tougher guy King.
Oda surpassed Kaido's dragon scales that lower the damage by a significant degree with a guy who has complete damage immunity.
Where do we go from there?!
Let's backtrack a little...
Ever since the walking mountain Pica, it seems that all Zoro's major future opponents will have an unbeatable state. That's what it takes!
You might wonder, what is this, what are you talking about?! Well, think, both Pica and King have a state in which they cannot be beaten.
As long as Pica is in the ground and not separated from it, he is unbeatable, safe under countless rocks that keep him hidden.
For King it was his racial ability that gave the whole race a godly status, the Lunarian flame that makes them invincible according to Zoro.
Zoro's opponents are usually easy to spot and in the future, 4 guys await us who need to surpass whatever came before them.
It's not hard to guess that Kizaru, bald Gorosei, Shiryu and Mihawk are those who need to up this insane game of Zoro's opponents.
Normal means cannot stop Zoro so every future opponent has to bring something insane to the table to stop the unstoppable.
At least for 10 minutes, which is how long Zoro's fights last. If that timer remains until EOS, it's another testament to Zoro's insane power.
Fighting for 10 days truly ends up like nothing but empty narrative hype when you cannot last 10 minutes against the green beast.
1. Kizaru, the OG Admiral with Unclear Justice is the guy who picked on Zoro wanting to kill him in Sabaody. He is next to face Zoro, imo.
A logia with an element that is not from this world like all other logias are, with nearly unlimited potential will test his luck against Zoro.
His means of stalling Zoro arent super toughness or racial abilities or incredible haki but an off-planetary element.
He too, like Pica and Alber before him, as well as others after him, should have a state of invincibility. This is a minimum requirement.
Light itself offers super speed and possible reflection due to sacred mirrors and he is probably in possession of a supreme-grade sword.
Coincidentally, he is an excellent swordsman as proven in his fight with the Dark King himself and Zoro's path of god is still pending.
He represents the Deva, the gods of this world, the Celestial Dragons even though the position can also be filled with bald Gorosei.
2. Speaking of which, a ruthless member of Imu's war council, the supreme authority of the world, Gorosei uses a supreme grade Kitetsu.
Paralleling Ohm the Sky breeder, the emphasis of the fight will likely be on the sword itself being special, just like Ohm's sword was.
We really dont know much about any of the Elders but we will soon have an idea of what they are like when Saturn starts fighting.
We can speculate that he either has a Devil Fruit of that he fed one to his sword to make the sword special.
How he will outdo Kizaru is a mystery but it is safe to say that it will most likely happen anyway. Expectations have to be surpassed.
3. I have seen plenty of people underestimating Shiryu and thinking that he will just be another "gimmick"... People still dont get it...
You need to have a "gimmick" to stand a chance against Zoro and that "gimmick" is another form of invincibility that others also had.
The usual downplayers will call him YC1 as if that meant anything anymore considering that we are way past High tiers in strength.
King himself left a YC1 Marco in the dust without breaking a sweat and proceeded to fight Zoro. Shiryu was a top tier back in pre-TS.
Dont make the mistake to underestimate him and even then, he will surpass the expectations. The later he comes into the game the more insane he needs to be to outdo his predecessors. Outdoing King, Kizaru and the Elder wont be an easy task. We already speculated how he will stall Zoro and many agree that it will be his DF, other than already being one of the strongest swordsmen in the world, that gives Zoro the most trouble...
Nothingness, which is the most likely Awakening of his fruit, is one of the two special moments for Zoro, as stated by Koushiro but more about that in another thread... All we need to know is that it will be a form of invincibility unique to the blood-thirsty Head Jailer.
4. Last but not least, the stage takes Hawk Eyes Mihawk, the strongest swordsman of all time, until now.
This is a fight that will focus on two things, the sword and the haki. There will be no racial abilities, no devil fruits, zero shenanigans.
The obstacle will be the strongest hakiman that ever walked the planet, the one who wields the mark of the strongest, a black blade.
Of course, like all others before him since Pica, he too will have a form of invincibility and it will come from Yoru itself, the strongest weapon in the whole world. As Dracule Mihawk said himself - surpass this blade, surpass me. Zoro will have to cut through the toughest object in existence. As you may know, Zoro's name means Dawn while Yoru means Night so for the Dawn to take over, Zoro will have to cut through the Night.
At that point, Zoro is a swordsman who can cut Everything and Nothing. He will be the strongest creature/man/swordsman, all in one.
However, it is not hard to predict that anti-Zolo gang will bring excuses and copium to the table and try to deny it.
The only question is whether Oda will move them into a check-mate or not...
Will he bring an opponent from a different world because nobody is left in the OP world to fight Zoro?!
I have talked before about One Piece's possible inspirations when I talked about the source material for Mihawk and I mentioned Castlevania as one of the possibilities. Once Dracula and other vampires have fallen, the protagonist of Castlevania fights the ultimate opponent - Brook's cousin that appeared before Zoro in Wano! Will Zoro beat even Death itself to send the denial gang into eternal depression?! I guess only time will tell.
With that line, we wrap up today's lesson. I hope I didnt bother you with too much text.
No wank, no baits, simply an observation of patterns that occur in Zoro's fights.
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Do you not hear yourself moving the goal posts.
When Luffy can beat someone Zoro can't... with an equal number of attempts.
Zoro could have had another 100 tries at Kaido and wouldn't have won unless he had something as strong as BG which he doesn't.
Luffy also has a goal to protect everyone meaning he has to be stronger than everyone else.
When Luffy can beat someone Zoro can't... with an equal number of attempts.
Zoro could have had another 100 tries at Kaido and wouldn't have won unless he had something as strong as BG which he doesn't.
Luffy also has a goal to protect everyone meaning he has to be stronger than everyone else.
Yes because unlike Luffybros, I can power scale. Y'all literally ignore endless attempts that your fave gets.
Give an equal number of attempts to Zoro if you want to compare fair and square.
He would have won in 2 attempts unlike Luffy who needed more than 5 and help of 15 other people.
And Zoro's goal is to protect Luffy from things he cant protect himself from, for example, Hakai that Luffy looks at with fear in his eyes.
To give you an example, a factual analysis of what 2 attempts of Luffy achieved compared to one attempt from Zoro:
You cannot push your own headcanon through facts, Adam-chin...
You simply have to acknowledge Zoro's superiority and the insult that it is to compare him with Luffy...
Zoro is built different and Luffy aint that guy, he is not a character with a state of invincibility like Zoro's other opponents.
Give an equal number of attempts to Zoro if you want to compare fair and square.
He would have won in 2 attempts unlike Luffy who needed more than 5 and help of 15 other people.
And Zoro's goal is to protect Luffy from things he cant protect himself from, for example, Hakai that Luffy looks at with fear in his eyes.
To give you an example, a factual analysis of what 2 attempts of Luffy achieved compared to one attempt from Zoro:
You cannot push your own headcanon through facts, Adam-chin...
You simply have to acknowledge Zoro's superiority and the insult that it is to compare him with Luffy...
Zoro is built different and Luffy aint that guy, he is not a character with a state of invincibility like Zoro's other opponents.
