Future Events Surpassing the Expectations

[grey matter]

When it comes to obstacles in Zoro's path to #1 of the universe, Luffy is the last guy I worry about. I am certain that he aint that guy.

Look at Zoro theories in Wano, all fell flat.
Oda will never let Zoro outshine Luffy.

He didnt beat a Yonko first though. Two Yonkos fell before Luffy managed to beat one, with help of others and countless rounds...

I obviously meant in single combat, amongst the new gen.

Whitebeard was taken out by marines.
BM was taken out by new gen yes, but in 2v1.

Yeah, Luffy needed multiple rounds, Kaido had gauntlet, floated island etc.
But Luffy was the first one in new gen to fight in 1v1. He made Kaido acknowledge him, made him get Oden PTSD. He overpowered Kaido with Bajrang gun.

Not saying Luffy is stronger in pure 1v1, but clearly current Luffy is in same tier.

The point simply is that Oda will always have Luffy do stuff first, before giving it to another one in new gen.

Maybe the way Oda sees it is to have Luffy 1v1 a top tier, and doesn't need Luffy to be first to 1v1 a Yonko and an admiral.
In that case, Kizaru vs Zoro is possible.

But we never know with Oda and his Luffy wank, he may want to have Luffy be the first to take down an admiral too.

 

[nik87]

Look at Zoro theories in Wano, all fell flat.
Oda will never let Zoro outshine Luffy.

Not sure what any of those two, theories and shine, have got to do with strength relation between Zoro and Luffy...
Theories and plotlines got nothing to do with it, we can discard them right away.
When it comes to shine... That's a tricky one... It's hard to explain to people that Luffy's fights being scheduled last and him failing for 5 rounds in a row against an opponent who is less tough than Zoro's is Luffy shinning more... The "shine" comes from Luffy's opponents being big shots while Zoro's opponents being nobodies who hide their identity and their world status is almost non-existent. Which also has nothing to do with strength of Luffy vs Zoro.

Take a look at Arlong Park - Luffy fights the notorious Arlong while Zoro fights the nobody Hatchan and yet, several chapters later, the Luffy who took down the big bad Arlong couldnt do shit to Zoro in Whiskey Peak. Fighting more notorious opponents doesnt make Luffy stronger than Zoro. Let's move on to New World, Luffy fights big shots like Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri, he must be stronger than Zoro who fights a nobody like Pica, right? Wrong again. The narrative keeps fooling people that Luffy is somehow stronger while he never was.

I obviously meant in single combat, amongst the new gen.

Whitebeard was taken out by marines.
BM was taken out by new gen yes, but in 2v1.

Yeah, Luffy needed multiple rounds, Kaido had gauntlet, floated island etc.
But Luffy was the first one in new gen to fight in 1v1. He made Kaido acknowledge him, made him get Oden PTSD. He overpowered Kaido with Bajrang gun.

Not saying Luffy is stronger in pure 1v1, but clearly current Luffy is in same tier.

The point simply is that Oda will always have Luffy do stuff first, before giving it to another one in new gen.

Maybe the way Oda sees it is to have Luffy 1v1 a top tier, and doesn't need Luffy to be first to 1v1 a Yonko and an admiral.
In that case, Kizaru vs Zoro is possible.

But we never know with Oda and his Luffy wank, he may want to have Luffy be the first to take down an admiral too.

Well, he can choose to be first between him and Zoro to beat either an Admiral or a Gorosei, he cant do both...
Since Gorosei are higher authority, that's the thing that will give him more shine than Zoro who beats a mere underling of Gorosei.

 

[Psychiatrist]

There is a very solid chance that Oda makes Zoro top 2 by EoS

But there is zero chance that he will be made outright stronger than his golden boi Luffy. The best you can hope for is to have Oda make it ambiguous between them by having them around the same level

This is a good unbiased take from a zoro fan himself.
There are instances when they both share a very strong opponent and get beaten together, and then zoro will be sidelined to fight against the lesser opponents. The ambiguity is there as you mentioned, but the benefit of doubt is with luffy. It will always remain luffy > zoro untill an unless zoro defeats luffy one on one or opponents stronger than luffy's.
Another thing its difficult to explain to others that there are perks of being MC as well as the false narrative that has to shown that he is struggling more than others. What do you expect when the manga is only about hype and whenever the main antagonist hype needs to be shown, than it will be on the expense of luffy.
Why is luffy and zoro struggling (huffing and puffing) with the seraphims, while sanji is eating their attack for breakfast? It is narratives. The ambiguity is still there.

 

[Mr.9000]

Spot on Nik. If you dnt have an op stat, zoro just might low diff you.

 

[LilPanda]

Nik never fails to make good threads

:cheers:

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The only question is whether Oda will move them into a check-mate or not...

 

[Blazing Lion]

Its about time that people accept that in terms of fighting capability Zoro is second to none in the crew (this has been reinforced multiple times throughout the story). In the crew no character is better in one thing which is another's main forte.

Try saying Luffy is a better cook than Sanji, better navigator than Nami, better sniper than Usopp, better doctor than Chopper, better historian/archaeologist than Robin, better shipwright than Franky, better musician than Brook or better helmsman than Jinbe and everybody would say you are losing your mind. I would say this is specific to just the SHPs because they are the MCs cause Roo is listed as fighter of RHPs while we have no feats or portrayal for him to be above Shanks, even Benn has the VC statement.

Now the next thing is they would say that it is limited to just swords and I would ask what is the purpose of a swordsman. The answer obviously is to fight. You can actually make a case that Zoro is being treated unfairly in this way since he is being matched by Luffy in the one thing that he should not be matched in, fighting (again reinforced in WP and countless other times). And that is to do with Luffy being the shonen MC.

 

[nik87]

Its about time that people accept that in terms of fighting capability Zoro is second to none in the crew (this has been reinforced multiple times throughout the story). In the crew no character is better in one thing which is another's main forte.

Try saying Luffy is a better cook than Sanji, better navigator than Nami, better sniper than Usopp, better doctor than Chopper, better historian/archaeologist than Robin, better shipwright than Franky, better musician than Brook or better helmsman than Jinbe and everybody would say you are losing your mind. I would say this is specific to just the SHPs because they are the MCs cause Roo is listed as fighter of RHPs while we have no feats or portrayal for him to be above Shanks, even Benn has the VC statement.

Now the next thing is they would say that it is limited to just swords and I would ask what is the purpose of a swordsman. The answer obviously is to fight. You can actually make a case that Zoro is being treated unfairly in this way since he is being matched by Luffy in the one thing that he should not be matched in, fighting (again reinforced in WP and countless other times). And that is to do with Luffy being the shonen MC.

Worry not, Luffy is the last one we should concern ourselves with.
Zoro is unstoppable.
The reveal of black blades will most likely place all 3 forgers above the rest of the universe.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Worry not, Luffy is the last one we should concern ourselves with.
Zoro is unstoppable.
The reveal of black blades will most likely place all 3 forgers above the rest of the universe.

Hard to say, even though Luffy is a clumsy fighter, I still don't know why people say he has better CQC than Zoro just because of FS when Zoro has been tagged less than Luffy, I just don't expect Oda to let Luffy be below Zoro in combat with the reason being the shonen MC.

We can theorize that either is the better fighter but the thing remains the same, in terms of fighting capability they will be dead equal. This is the reason that they will be the ones to do what no one has done before except Roger and Ray (their timing was off and they did not have the GGnM or Nika).

I think the Wano ending also reinforced this with the Joyboy = Ryuma thing.

 

[Salah WG]

Great Thread as always
But you know i Disagree to those Match-Ups

Zoro had Five Main Match-Ups Pre-TS & He will have Five in Post-TS
Hatchan - Mr. 1 - Ohm - Kaku - Zombie Ryuma ------> Hyouzou - Pica - King - ??? - Mihawk

And they are made to represent Six Paths that Zoro must Conquer before facing WSS

 

[nik87]

But you know i Disagree to those Match-Ups

I know.
Let's call those secondary match-ups.

Hatchan - Mr. 1 - Ohm - Kaku - Zombie Ryuma ------> Hyouzou - Pica - King - ??? - Mihawk

One thing I noticed among the pre TS opponents and post TS opponents is Land, Sea and Air...
Hatchan and Hyozou represent the Sea.
Mr1 and Pica represent the Land.
Ohm and King represent the Air.
Mihawk and Ryuma obviously represent the Kokuto wielder of two different generations.
Now, Kaku and whoever it is in post-TS, should represent what...?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

:laughmoji:

 

[Adamxero]

The delusion here is strong.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

The delusion here is strong.

DKZW in full force..

Delusion Kills Zoro Wankers..

 

[Salah WG]

I know.
Let's call those secondary match-ups.

One thing I noticed among the pre TS opponents and post TS opponents is Land, Sea and Air...
Hatchan and Hyozou represent the Sea.
Mr1 and Pica represent the Land.
Ohm and King represent the Air.
Mihawk and Ryuma obviously represent the Kokuto wielder of two different generations.
Now, Kaku and whoever it is in post-TS, should represent what...?

This is very long Reply lol but sorry, had to do it

Spoiler: Part 01

It's not just about that Land, Sea & Air, but also Challenges they Represent
Before Baratie, First Three Arcs showed us Zoro's Skills & Physical Stats, then He had a reality check against Mihawk
From that point onward, each Duel is meant to reveal what's necessary for Zoro to reach Mihawk Level
It's like Oda is using Zoro to tell us what "WSS" actually means

1. His First Fight was against Hatchan & it asked the Question: "What if Zoro fought someone with More Swords?!"

• Before He went to Arlong Park, He only had One-Sword btw

2. His Second Fight was against Mr. 1 & it asked the Question: "What if Zoro fought someone He cannot Cut/Harm?!"
3. His Third Fight was against Ohm & it asked the Question: "What if Zoro fought someone He was unable to reach?!"

What happened during these Fights?

1. Zoro was given Swords by Johnny & Yosaku
2. Zoro learned Breath of All Things & Improved his Cutting Technique
3. Zoro learned Flying Slashes which rely on his Strength

So in these Fights, Oda gave us Three Components that are necessary to Perfect for Zoro to reach WSS
WSS requires Swords , Breath of All Things and Strength

And for each Category, Oda created a "Tool" that we can use to understand someone's Progress in each one
They are Meito Quality, Cutting Technique & Flying Slashes
(This is why Zoro's Sword Style never changes, it's his Swords, Strength & BOAT that are Improving with each Arc)

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Now before we explain Kaku & Ryuma Fights, let's jump to Post-TS.
Similarly, Zoro also had Three Major Fights so far since Post-TS started and as you already said, They clearly Mirror Pre-TS Ones by being related to Land, Sea & Sky. Actually, Oda even went further in showcasing these Parallels by making Zoro Clash with Shark (Hody), Tiger (Fujitora) & Dragon (Kaidou) which obviously not only Sea, Land & Sky but are also Zoro's Animal Themes.

You know what this also means? It means that before Zoro faces Fourth Major Opponent, He will first Clash with Character who represents "Devil" & finally before Mihawk Fight, He will Clash with Character who represents "God or Deva" (Which should be related to Zoro's Promise of making his Name reach even Heavens)

Zoro doesn't necessary Defeat these Five Major Post-TS Villains, but He still prove himself against them by countering what they are Best at
(Zoro was Faster than Hody Underwater, He countered Fujitora's Gravity, He gave Invincible Kaidou a Scar). So expect Zoro to do something Super Epic against Next Two Villains (Without Defeating Them)

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Now, for Post-TS Three Major Fights we've seen so far:

1. His First Fight against Hyouzou asked the question: "What if Zoro fought someone He can't be allowed to take a Hit against?!"

• Zoro was Harmed against Hatchan, Mr. 1, Ohm & Kaku, but against Hyouzou, He can't make such Mistake due to his Deadly Poison
• Oda even used Luffy's Poison Immunity as Hype Tool for this Poison to tell us that Zoro must be Super Careful

2. His Second Fight against Pica asked the question: "What if Zoro fought someone who needs to be Cut multiple times?!" (Endurance Fight)
3. His Third Fight against Kind asked the question: "What if Zoro fought someone & He was on a Time-Limit?!"

What happened during these Fights?

1. Zoro used CoO to make Hyouzou's Attempt at surprising Zoro Futile
2. Zoro used CoA to protect his Swords from this Long Fight & also Pica's Final Attack
3. Zoro unlocked CoC which allowed him to remove Enma's Nerf & also finish Fight before KOH or Mink Drug Effect Ends

So in these Fights, Oda gave us additional Components that must be Perfected for Zoro to reach WSS Level. WSS requires CoO, CoA & CoC.
We could say that Pre-TS showed us Physical Requirements of WSS Level while Post-TS showed Spiritual Requirements

And what's interesting is that they actually complete each other.
Meito Swords are further Enhanced with CoA
Cutting Technique is further Enhanced with CoC
Flying Slashes are further Improved with CoO

Spoiler: Part 02

Now comes Kaku Fight, it actually doesn't offer a New Fourth Challenge, instead it represents Zoro's Final Test as He must face All Previous Three Challenges Simultaneously:

1. Kaku revealed that He is Four-Sword Style User (Same Challenge as Hatchan's but even Harder)
2. He then revealed that He switches his Tekkai On & Off to make Zoro's Cutting Technique Useless (Same Challenge as Mr. 1 but Trickier)
3. He then revealed that He is Specialized in Ranged Attacks & Rankyaku (Same Challenge as Ohm but much more Dangerous)

Zoro was clearly Struggling against Kaku, their Sword Styles were Comparable, Zoro's BOAT wasn't working due to Kaku's Trick & his Flying Slashes weren't enough cuz Kaku can Spam his Non-Stop. So what did Zoro do? He Unlocked Asura!!

Asura turned Zoro's Three-Swords into Nine-Swords, it Tripled his Strength & made him a Trion Person allowing him to use Cut Three Different things at same time, which completely Destroyed Kaku who was unable to Tank it, his Flying Slash Attack wasn't enough & his Four-Sword Style couldn't counter it

So in conclusion:

First Three Fights of Pre-TS = Three Challenges that can only be Countered by Three Main Physical Requirements of WSS
First Three Fights of Post-TS = Three Challenges that can only be Countered by Three Main Spiritual Requirements of WSS
All Six Together = Six Paths required for WSS Path (Swords, Technique, Strength, CoO, CoA, CoC)

Pre-TS Fourth Fight = Three Previous Challenges All At Once that can only be Countered by Tripling Three Physical Requirements of WSS
Post-TS Fourth Fight = Three Previous Challenges All At Once that can only be Countered by Tripling Three Spiritual Requirements of WSS

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This means that Zoro's Next Major Fight is against an Opponent who combines those Three Challenges but even worse
In other words:

1. He must not be allowed to Harm Zoro or it's Instant Loss (Deadlier than Hyouzou's Poison)
2. His Fighting Style requires Zoro to Cut him multiple times & his Swords must be Protected Non-Stop (Deadlier Defense than Pica's)
3. Fighting him for too long leads to Guaranteed Loss & He must be Defeated before Zoro gets Nerfed more than He can come back from

And based on how Oda chooses Main Arc's Villain, this Enemy needs to be serving Mary Geoise (WG) or Elbaf
And there is already someone who perfectly match this description! It's none other than "Magellan"

Not only He is also known as "King of Hell", not only He is Themed as a Devil Servant, not only He works for WG (Indirectly for Imu) but He is True Manifestation of those Three Challenges Combined, a Single Attack from him can Defeat Zoro (Worse Challenge than Hyouzou), He creates Monsters using his Deadly Poison & they can work Separately (Worse Challenge than Pica) and fighting him for too long is a guaranteed way to Death as you keep getting Nerfed due to Poison Cloud, Poison slowly spreading to everywhere, Senses get ruined ... etc

Actually not just that, but if you go to Impel Down Arc & see Magellan's Arsenal, you can find that He actually uses Four Main Abilities.
Poison Dragon + Poison Fish + Poison Spider & his Trump Card is Poison Demon (Literally Land, Sea & Sky Animals + Demon).
It's like He was literally created to face Zoro & be used to show us Zoro's Progress in everything He learned so far

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We don't know how Circumstances of these Fights are gonna be, but it's possible that Zoro will be Nerfed or dealing with something (Just like his Previous Fights weren't 100% Fair), but even if He isn't, Magellan imo is very Underrated & both him & Shiryu were Admiral Level, so it will be Zoro's Admiral Level Fight

How He gonna win? By Tripling his Three Haki Powers just like He did with Asura
Think of it this way, in Pre-TS, Zoro Unlocked Physical Awakening of Asura, but in his Next Fight, He will Unlock it's Spiritual Awakening
(Which makes sense cuz his Death in Wano clearly indicates that He is gonna go through a Haki Awakening in Upcoming Arc)

So how will this Power-Up be? Oda already revealed that there are Levels to Haki Techniques (Such as Internal Destruction > Barrier > Hardening) so Zoro will simply Unlock Final Technique of each Haki Type (They are basically Rarer than CoC)

CoA's Final Technique is "Internal Destruction"
CoO's Final Technique is "Voice of All Things"
CoC's Final Technique is ??? (I don't wanna reveal it now)

And since He is gonna combine them, it would be considered Full Awakening of Zoro's Spirit allowing him to have True & Final Form of Asura (His Current Asura is Imperfect Form, He is tripling his Stats but showing Three Bodies, Perfect Form should be same Stats Boosts in a Singular Body, which requires Zoro's Spirit/Haki to be Strong enough to handle such Power)

I dunno what such Power is gonna be Named, but Zoro will basically have Strength, Cutting Technique & Moveset of Asura while also having Voice of All Things, Internal Destruction & a New CoC Ability (Luffy will also Unlock it soon, either at same time or before)

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So by the time Final War starts, Zoro will have Asura Stats & Full Haki Mastery without accessing any New Forms, it will be his Base.
However, we have One Fight Left & that's Zombie Ryuma/Mihawk

Well to understand that Fight, we must realize that Maxing those Six Components i mentioned is still not Enough
Shanks for example is someone who already done that, his Strength, Technique, Sword, Three Haki Types are All Legendary.
That's why Zoro must achieve something even beyond (Which would put him Above Top Tier Level alongside EOS Luffy & Final Villain(s))

Zombie Ryuma Fight offered No Challenge, it was basically a Completely Fair Fight (And that's how Mihawk Fight gonna be obviously)
But what happened after that?

1. Zoro acquired Shusui
2. He used a Flying Slash the Size of Oars & made him Dodge
3. He was able to Cut Kuma (Toughest Enemy from Pre-TS)

So Mihawk Fight ain't gonna have any Power-Ups, as i said, Zoro after his 4th Fight should already be Comparable to Mihawk.
But it's what Zoro needs to have to Prove He is "New WSS" & probably Best Swordsman of All Times

So Zoro must show the World that He has Swords worthy of WSS
He must perform a Cutting Feat for entire world to talk about that is only worthy of WSS
He must prove that his Strength is Unrivaled by any other Swordsman & only worthy of WSS

Oda already showed us Peak of these things (Also mirrored by Post-Zombie Ryuma Fight Events)

1. Zoro will Forge Three Black Blades
2. He will face Story's Main Secondary Villain (Basically Oars Level of Danger but for entire World) & prove his Tremendous Strength
3. He will cut Kaidou or Someone as Durable in front of everyone (Not a Scar, but a Clean Cut, just like Punk Hazard Dragon)

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Three Pre-TS & Post-TS Fights = Zoro Showcased Physical & Spiritual Requirements of WSS
Fourth Fights = Zoro Tripling & Combining those Requirements to Unlock WSS Power (Asura in his case)
Fifth Fights = Fight against WSS (Mini Version in Zombie Ryuma's Case)
Black Blades + ZKK + Help Luffy Defeat Secondary Main Villain = Showing The World his WSS Level

Finally, to make him stand out from all Master Swordsmen of All Time (Just like Luffy has a Secret Role after becoming Pirate King)
Zoro will Cut Death (Which is part of One Piece Utopia)

Black Blades represent End Achievement of Meito Path + CoA Path
ZKK represent End Achievement of Cutting Technique Path + CoC Path
Facing Secondary Villain of Story showcases End Achievement of Strength Path + CoO Path
Cutting Death represent End Achievement of All Six Paths

This also means that by learning those Six Requirements, Zoro can reach Shanks Level which is Max Level any Swordsman can reach
However, WSS Level can only be achieved by Tripling those Stats (Zoro uses Asura Stats)

This means that Mihawk is also Hiding such Power, which is hinted by Zombie Ryuma Fight
Who never showed his True Power against Brook but only done so against Zoro

So apparently, Mihawk's Dream isn't a Fight against a High Top Tier, but to face someone who can force him to show his True Dormant Power
(His Cross References & many other Hints clearly show that Mihawk is also someone who can Triple his Power, but difference is that Zoro done it in a single Lifetime, while Mihawk is someone who lived multiple times allowing him to have Experience more than any other Swordsman)

This also explains why He was shocked when He saw Zoro's Three Thousands Worlds Technique during Baratie.
It's because the entire Idea of that Technique is to be able to Triple your Power (Hence why it's a Secret Style Technique)
So Mihawk saw Zoro's Potential & realized that He could possible be only Swordsman who can reach an Awakened Power Level similar to his)

 

[nik87]

This means that Zoro's Next Major Fight is against an Opponent who combines those Three Challenges but even worse
In other words:

1. He must not be allowed to Harm Zoro or it's Instant Loss (Deadlier than Hyouzou's Poison)
2. His Fighting Style requires Zoro to Cut him multiple times & his Swords must be Protected Non-Stop (Deadlier Defense than Pica's)
3. Fighting him for too long leads to Guaranteed Loss & He must be Defeated before Zoro gets Nerfed more than He can come back from

And based on how Oda chooses Main Arc's Villain, this Enemy needs to be serving Mary Geoise (WG) or Elbaf
And there is already someone who perfectly match this description! It's none other than "Magellan"

To me, all this sounds like Kizaru.
That doesnt mean I would mind if it is actually Magellan but it is hard to picture Zoro and Magellan running into each other at this point.
Unless Strawhats get defeated on Egghead and thrown into Impel Down after and that way, Zoro and Magellan are on the same stage.
Even though I am personally rating Magellan below Kizaru, I dont underestimate him by no means, I am aware of how powerful he is.
Looking forward to future events to unwrap.

 

[Salah WG]

To me, all this sounds like Kizaru.
That doesnt mean I would mind if it is actually Magellan but it is hard to picture Zoro and Magellan running into each other at this point.
Unless Strawhats get defeated on Egghead and thrown into Impel Down after and that way, Zoro and Magellan are on the same stage.
Even though I am personally rating Magellan below Kizaru, I dont underestimate him by no means, I am aware of how powerful he is.
Looking forward to future events to unwrap.

All i'm certain about is that Next Opponent should represent Sum of Previous Three Challenges
So it doesn't 100% need to be Magellan but so far He is Best Candidate imo

Kizaru is Deadly ofc but his Attacks aren't Guaranteed One-Shot like Hyouzou & Magellan
He also doesn't Hide behind anything like Pica, nor does He bring any Time Restriction to the Fight

As for where Next Fight should happen, i believe it's Mary Geoise & Imu is Main Villain (Who represents Devil similar to Mephisto)
His Inspiration comes from Sculpture of "Mephistopheles & Margaretta"

And Magellan isn't Candidate just because He works for WG
We've seen Lucci promoted from Enies Lobby to work in Mary Geoise, same happened with Kong from Marines
So Magellan could be Next

We've seen that WG has Three Types of Fodders, there are Knights, CP Agents & Labor Camp Guards (We've seen them in Mary Geoise & Robin's Cover Story), so their Leaders should be Imu's Version of Three Top Commanders

And similar to most Sagas, YC3 gets sent first & that's Lucci (Similar to Jack, Mr. 3, Satori, Cracker ... etc)
There should be Leader of Knights as Imu's YC2 & a Warden (Which Magellan deserves) as Imu's YC1

Only way i might consider Kizaru Fight is if He is actually serving CDs a lot, just so that He gets Promoted as Leader of Mary Geoise Knights.
Making him One of Imu's Top 3

 

[God W. Usopp]

To make this enemy Zoro's stronger, he only needs to be smarter than the autistic King. King was a disgusting enemy to Zoro, as was the fight itself. Sudden invulnerability, for which there were no prerequisites, King's boring both as a character and as a fighter, as well as the fact that Zoro defeated King not because Zoro surpassed the quinoa, but because King is autistic, who turned off the only opportunity to win (invulnerability) SIMPLY BECAUSE ... And what feat did King have? Zoro didn't even surpass the king's defenses. And besides, Zoro does not contain his words. He didn't visit Ryuma's grave, he didn't avenge Yasui, he didn't kill Kaido as he claimed

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Don't expect Shiryu to have interesting abilities or combat prowess. Don't wait for kizaru, there will be Aramaki instead, don't expect anything grandiose from Mihawk

 

[nik87]

To make this enemy Zoro's stronger, he only needs to be smarter than the autistic King. King was a disgusting enemy to Zoro, as was the fight itself. Sudden invulnerability, for which there were no prerequisites, King's boring both as a character and as a fighter, as well as the fact that Zoro defeated King not because Zoro surpassed the quinoa, but because King is autistic, who turned off the only opportunity to win (invulnerability) SIMPLY BECAUSE ... And what feat did King have? Zoro didn't even surpass the king's defenses. And besides, Zoro does not contain his words. He didn't visit Ryuma's grave, he didn't avenge Yasui, he didn't kill Kaido as he claimed

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Don't expect Shiryu to have interesting abilities or combat prowess. Don't wait for kizaru, there will be Aramaki instead, don't expect anything grandiose from Mihawk

Post-ZKK depressimus anonymous?

 

[God W. Usopp]

Post-ZKK depressimus anonymous?

It's possible. This is also due to the lousy quality of the latest episodes. It seems that good animators don't like Zoro

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Post-ZKK depressimus anonymous?

And also Oda's disregard for the Shimotsuki Zoro lineage gives
And the fact that King HIMSELF TURNED OFF his defenses so that Zoro would win. That is, in fact, Zoro is still a weakling who simply would not break through the king's defense with a final attack, he needs the help of the author and pianos for this, phew!