Powers & Abilities Swordsmanship is All About Haki

Who is Superior and in Which Stats?

  • Mihawk (swordsmanship and haki)

  • Mihawk (swordsmanship alone)

  • Mihawk (haki alone)

  • Shanks (swordsmanship and haki)

  • Shanks (swordsmanship alone)

  • Shanks (haki alone)


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lt's an hand picked example.. Base CoC has been shown to not be necessarly related to Swordsmanship..
Yes it's a hand picked example so you can understand what I'm talking about since you have been arguing that haki can be used without swordsmanship for the past 20 post and that was never my claim... so read the rest of that post and reply
 

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Rootbeer here fighting everyone over zoro having advcoc... i may not agree with the take But you get a A for Effort :cheers:
No he's an annoying troll and it's making this thread insufferable to read through.

Multiple pages of people arguing that yes, "Zoro does actually have Haoshoku coating". I don't want or need to read that. It's obvious, and the arguments for it are just me scrolling by real fast.

@TheAncientCenturion, @Gol D. Roger, @Van: can you guys please ban Rootbeer from this thread? Or escort the "does Zoro actually have Haoshoku coating" discussion to another thread?

It's somewhat on topic for the thread, but it's a really frustrating discussion to read through.
 
Zoro has yet to show us any technique from Mihawks repertoire. (That we know little of btw) Why would Mihawk teach him his techniques if he truly wants someone to surpass him? To truly surpass someone, you shouldnt have insight on what theyre capable of before fighting them. Mihawk being the strongest, was still curious on what Vista is capable of doing with his haki/swordsmanship. Being the best swordman is all about what you can do with the haki you possess. The greater the skill you have with haki, the better you are as a swordsman.
 
No he's an annoying troll and it's making this thread insufferable to read through.

Multiple pages of people arguing that yes, "Zoro does actually have Haoshoku coating". I don't want or need to read that. It's obvious, and the arguments for it are just me scrolling by real fast.

@TheAncientCenturion, @Gol D. Roger, @Van: can you guys please ban Rootbeer from this thread? Or escort the "does Zoro actually have Haoshoku coating" discussion to another thread?

It's somewhat on topic for the thread, but it's a really frustrating discussion to read through.
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ the trolling is working on some πŸ˜‚I don’t get why y’all even respond to him dudes reading three piece
 
[No essay this time (or images either, I can't be bothered).]


Introduction
The single most important factor to becoming a stronger swordsman is haki and haki alone. Nothing else (skill, physical strength, endurance, e) even registers. Indeed, it wouldn't be wrong to say that true "sword skill" is just the strength and proficiency of your haki.


Arguments in Favour
Some credible arguments in favour:
  • Kozaburo told Zoro that the pinnacle of swordsmanship was the power to protect what you wanted to protect and cut what you want to cut.
  • Zoro's bloom in his fight against Daz Bones was a bloom of haki.
    • He subconsciously manifested Busoshoku haki (the breath of all things) and Kenbushoku haki (knowing where the rocks wouldn't fall).
  • Zoro's trump card against Pica was Busoshoku coating
    • Indeed, he said that Pica would beat him if only his haki was stronger.
  • Luffy's haki teachers were all swordsmen
    • Rayleigh during the time skip
    • Hyougoro during Wano
  • As far as we're aware, the only thing Mihawk taught Zoro was haki
    • He specifically forbade Zoro from drinking wine until he mastered coating his swords with Busoshoku haki.
    • Zoro has not other flashbacks showing him learn anything else
  • Recall that Zoro asked Mihawk to teach him "the way of the sword".
    • Thus, "the way of the sword" is nothing other than mastery of Haki.
  • Black Blades β€” the pinnacle of swordmanship β€” are forged through supreme haki
    • Mihawk told this to Zoro
    • Gyukimaru reiterated it
  • Only the greatest swordsmen of all time have wielded Black Blades:
    • Former WSS: Ryuma
    • Current WSS: Mihawk
    • Future WSS: Zoro
    • Lesser swordsmen have failed to forge Kokuto
      • Roger
      • Rayleigh
      • Shanks
      • Oden
      • Issho
      • Etc.
  • Zoro's growth with Enma was all about mastering his Busoshoku and Haoshoku haki
    • Enma forcibly released his Ryuo, and learning how to wield Enma forced him to temper and master said haki
    • He had to unlock Haoshoku haki to effectively use Enma at all
  • King stated that Zoro had "kingly ambitions"
    • Upon witnessing his "King of Hell" mode, he chastised him not to get ahead of himself as Kaido would become the Pirate King
    • That is, King considered Zoro a worthy contender for the Pirate King throne.
  • Zoro's big power up post skip was unlocking Haoshoku coating and developing an associated mode: "King of Hell".
    • His big attack against King was entirely dependent on his haki with "skill" and physical strength being completely irrelevant
    • This is his equivalent of Luffy's gears
  • Asura may also be a manifestation of Zoro's haki
  • It was only after his haki bloom in Wano that Zoro earned the title of "Kengou" (master swordsman)
    • Mastering his ryuo
    • Unlocking Haoshoku
      • He needed this to tame Enma
    • Unlocking Haoshoku coating
    • Unlocking a new mode ("King of Hell") based entirely around Haoshoku coating
    • Unlocking a super move that use massive amounts of Haoshoku coating
  • At the end of his fight with King, Zoro stated that he will become "Jigoku no Ou" ("The King of Hell" [and a pun on "The King of Samurai"])
    • This further reiterates how important haki β€” and Haoshoku haki in particular β€” is to the pinnacle of swordsmanship

More arguments, courtesy of @Salah WG:



Arguments Against
The credible arguments against:
(They don't exist.)


Conclusions
At the high and top tier, swordsmanship is β€” as best as we can tell β€” solely about haki. That is, the statement that Mihawk's swordsmanship surpasses Shanks is a statement that Mihawk's haki surpasses Shanks.

For if Shanks had the superior haki, he would be the superior swordsman.

It should also go without saying, but Mihawk explicitly turned down the Yonkou title, revealing that not only does he have no interest in it, but he could have the title of Yonkou had he wished.

So Shanks' lone β€” and quite dubious at that β€” portrayal above Mihawk has been completely discredited.

Mihawk's bounty being above three Yonkou and so close to Shanks while he's a "mere subordinate" is further damming for him.
why did I miss this thread, the last 3 chapters with Ray,(Yamato flashback haki to protect Wano), Mihawk, Shanks advcoc is pointing to what Kaido said, only haki is necessary to get at the top, Roger did that without df.
 
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