Then answer it. Why is it so difficult to admit being wrong in a topic.
Or straight up confirm you are bias by saying that the Blackbeard pirates were close in being annihilated by Garp even though neither Kuzan nor Shiryu showed even a glimpse of what they were capable of.
its speculation time
shiryu and kuzan didnt show a glimpse of what they were capable of despite being ragdolled left and right ,
this chapter also confirms they had a hard time
but apparently they severely held back