Character Discussion Teach is overrated.
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yawn "running away" once again the only point you have tried to make to claim he is "overrated"
Shanks - yes he clearly wasnt able to face off against his entire crew with a crew he had just put together a few hours prior and pre-timeskip do you believe Shiryuu couldve defeat Roo or Beckman, do you think Burgess Lafitte Augor couldve taken on anyone of his main crew?
No, logically its a fight to be avoided especially when you just gained a new power you dont even know how to fully use it nor do you even have an established crew to back you.
Akainu, once again more than likely defeats Teach here given its still FUCKING pre-timeskip right after MF when Teach and crew are just lounging around waiting on a deal to be made with Marines which was broken to trade Bonney for a Warship, so why would they even fight here?
Rayleigh yeah the single guy that everyone has feared when the name alone is brought up, Kizaru didnt even want the smoke being an Admiral and possibly be the low key sleeper to be the strongest of all the admirals. Why would he once again 1. Risk a fight against Dark King 2. Just let his own men stay dead.
do you have any other arguments or do you even have any actual answers or rebuttals?
lol when did i say was Top Tier, i said he was a clear YC2 possibly even YC1 based off feats and portrayal. I didnt know YC2 was top tier.....
Shanks - yes he clearly wasnt able to face off against his entire crew with a crew he had just put together a few hours prior and pre-timeskip do you believe Shiryuu couldve defeat Roo or Beckman, do you think Burgess Lafitte Augor couldve taken on anyone of his main crew?
No, logically its a fight to be avoided especially when you just gained a new power you dont even know how to fully use it nor do you even have an established crew to back you.
Akainu, once again more than likely defeats Teach here given its still FUCKING pre-timeskip right after MF when Teach and crew are just lounging around waiting on a deal to be made with Marines which was broken to trade Bonney for a Warship, so why would they even fight here?
Rayleigh yeah the single guy that everyone has feared when the name alone is brought up, Kizaru didnt even want the smoke being an Admiral and possibly be the low key sleeper to be the strongest of all the admirals. Why would he once again 1. Risk a fight against Dark King 2. Just let his own men stay dead.
do you have any other arguments or do you even have any actual answers or rebuttals?
lol when did i say was Top Tier, i said he was a clear YC2 possibly even YC1 based off feats and portrayal. I didnt know YC2 was top tier.....
It sucks that i have to bring up Bleach as an example so you can understand better, but what can i do..
Take a look at Aizen, he "run away" when all the captains were going to capture him but firstly he loldiffed Ichigo(MC),Renji and Komamura and even when all of them appeared he wasnt all sweaty like BB everytime someone strong appears. Later when Aizen made the captains undergo hollowification and Urahara & Tessai appeared to help them he "run away" but he stopped Tessai's attack like it was an attack coming from a fodder.
Do you get it now ? He run away from them but it wasnt like BB's cowardness.
Take a look at Aizen, he "run away" when all the captains were going to capture him but firstly he loldiffed Ichigo(MC),Renji and Komamura and even when all of them appeared he wasnt all sweaty like BB everytime someone strong appears. Later when Aizen made the captains undergo hollowification and Urahara & Tessai appeared to help them he "run away" but he stopped Tessai's attack like it was an attack coming from a fodder.
Do you get it now ? He run away from them but it wasnt like BB's cowardness.
It's common for Luffy's opponents to be overrated.
Especially Teach because he is one of the sloppiest out there.
However, due to Yami no Mi, he is god-like against most DF users and that's what matters.
Due to Luffy himself being overrated as well, they will match perfectly.
Luffy's sloppiness and weakness towards Yami will make Blackbeard look like god tier.
Blackbeard is mostly about symbolism and all the references being checked off.
His narrative potential is huge, 2nd to none probably.
He will probably make even Imu look shallow.
While he may disappoint as a combatant he certainly will deliver as a character.
Especially Teach because he is one of the sloppiest out there.
However, due to Yami no Mi, he is god-like against most DF users and that's what matters.
Due to Luffy himself being overrated as well, they will match perfectly.
Luffy's sloppiness and weakness towards Yami will make Blackbeard look like god tier.
Blackbeard is mostly about symbolism and all the references being checked off.
His narrative potential is huge, 2nd to none probably.
He will probably make even Imu look shallow.
While he may disappoint as a combatant he certainly will deliver as a character.
oh gosh.
you have yet to even answer basic questions of what purpose or point does fighting Shanks or Akainu that early stage do?
Shanks the guy who already got bodied by Teach and left his only scar, you realize he stated “we” as in his entire crew aren’t ready for RHP yet - he’s smart enough to understand his crew was still weak and would’ve got destroyed by another Yonkos crew.
Once again Akainu the sole marine and person in the entire verse who went 1on1 with him that we saw, once again why would Teach pretimeskip with a brand new crew who wasn’t even ready to face off against a Yonko want to face off a buster level call housing the strongest marine?
& no aizen would’ve bodied each and every person that went after him not even Ywach was able to defeat Aizen in Almighty, he was even trapped in Kyouka. The only person that aizen actually feared was old man Yama. you realize there is a key difference in this shit comparison Aizen is/was the most OP Gillian in existence at the time where he neg diffed everyone.
the fact that you’re even bringing up aizen as an example in your teach is overrated debate just goes to show how I’ll thought out and weak your base arguments are.
try again scrub
you have yet to even answer basic questions of what purpose or point does fighting Shanks or Akainu that early stage do?
Shanks the guy who already got bodied by Teach and left his only scar, you realize he stated “we” as in his entire crew aren’t ready for RHP yet - he’s smart enough to understand his crew was still weak and would’ve got destroyed by another Yonkos crew.
Once again Akainu the sole marine and person in the entire verse who went 1on1 with him that we saw, once again why would Teach pretimeskip with a brand new crew who wasn’t even ready to face off against a Yonko want to face off a buster level call housing the strongest marine?
& no aizen would’ve bodied each and every person that went after him not even Ywach was able to defeat Aizen in Almighty, he was even trapped in Kyouka. The only person that aizen actually feared was old man Yama. you realize there is a key difference in this shit comparison Aizen is/was the most OP Gillian in existence at the time where he neg diffed everyone.
the fact that you’re even bringing up aizen as an example in your teach is overrated debate just goes to show how I’ll thought out and weak your base arguments are.
try again scrub
Why you mad bro ? Im just saying the truth and you dont like it.
A supposedly final villain sweating constantly and running away from everyone is smart but also a coward.
Also the simple fact that you have Aizen > Alm Yhwach is something only a kid would believe. Being trapped in hypnosis means jackshit.
A supposedly final villain sweating constantly and running away from everyone is smart but also a coward.
Also the simple fact that you have Aizen > Alm Yhwach is something only a kid would believe. Being trapped in hypnosis means jackshit.
lol whos getting mad?
im telling you your argument is shit - aizen never ran away he framed Urahara and Tessai. If Urahara was able to defeat Aizen then he wouldve but he couldnt and it took him years and a seal to beat him. Aizen is portrayed to be a God amongst Godlike figures. While Teach is just an average Main Antagonist, most have been shown in this verse of OP to be fairly on the same level in most regards.
yawn. you've named 3 True Top Tiers in the verse that he "ran" away from - Shanks who he already got the best of in the past. you have yet to answer why they would clash right then and there when both are set up to be Luffy's final challenges. Moreso why would two crews fight in the middle of the WG Marine base while their objectives were already met, BB to take the Gura fruit and gain the ID mates as his crew. Shanks to stop the war and take back Ace and WB's bodies.
WHY WOULD THEY CLASH HERE?!
Akainu once again since you didnt answer previous:
Akainu, more than likely defeats Teach here given its still FUCKING pre-timeskip right after MF when Teach and crew are just lounging around waiting on a deal to be made with Marines which was broken to trade Bonney for a Warship, so why would they even fight here?
Akainu and Teach are both set up for opponents for Luffy/Sabo why would they fight each other especially at that time frame, why would Teach even wait to be confronted its not like he was cornered or had to clash with him?
Rayleigh like ive already said yeah he went for Mero but didnt get it, Hancock had him in a bind enough with his own men being trapped while you also have Rayleigh to deal with alongside the Marines, why would he add in old man Rayleigh as an opponent when Rayleigh was giving him an out and he was even able to take Koby along with him.
2/3 scenarios Teach has gotten the last laugh and came out on top - MF he was able to not only gain the gura df but also he gained an entire crew for doing the impossible, literally zero reason to fight Shanks while just after Sengoku had bodied the crew, showing this stage was too early for the BBP. AL - Teach didnt succeed in taking the Mero but just about low diffed Hancock in the process who should be equivalent to Croc/Joker who we both no arent no slouches. Croc has a bounty higher than Zoros current and Joker who low diffed Law and made Luffy his bitch. Out of these 3 scenarios the only time Teach walked away with nothing was Akainu and all he wanted was a warship, why would he clash or fight with Akainu and a buster level call with 9 other people when it was easily avoidable?
Oda is clearly showing BBP aren't at that stage or level yet. Teach is probably the weakest of the 4 Yonko yet unlike the others he is the most driven and the only one who is still growing just like how Luffy is weak and growing, i mean the same can be said for all the WG but both Teach and Luffys growth are leaps and Bounds compared to the rest of the WG id say bar Law given we just saw how he countered Plague with pure Haki and is using Awakening casually.
the fact that you even call the WBP, Marco and Ace namely fodder is funny enough to not even take you seriously.
lmk when you can actually answer a question mate.
im telling you your argument is shit - aizen never ran away he framed Urahara and Tessai. If Urahara was able to defeat Aizen then he wouldve but he couldnt and it took him years and a seal to beat him. Aizen is portrayed to be a God amongst Godlike figures. While Teach is just an average Main Antagonist, most have been shown in this verse of OP to be fairly on the same level in most regards.
yawn. you've named 3 True Top Tiers in the verse that he "ran" away from - Shanks who he already got the best of in the past. you have yet to answer why they would clash right then and there when both are set up to be Luffy's final challenges. Moreso why would two crews fight in the middle of the WG Marine base while their objectives were already met, BB to take the Gura fruit and gain the ID mates as his crew. Shanks to stop the war and take back Ace and WB's bodies.
WHY WOULD THEY CLASH HERE?!
Akainu once again since you didnt answer previous:
Akainu, more than likely defeats Teach here given its still FUCKING pre-timeskip right after MF when Teach and crew are just lounging around waiting on a deal to be made with Marines which was broken to trade Bonney for a Warship, so why would they even fight here?
Akainu and Teach are both set up for opponents for Luffy/Sabo why would they fight each other especially at that time frame, why would Teach even wait to be confronted its not like he was cornered or had to clash with him?
Rayleigh like ive already said yeah he went for Mero but didnt get it, Hancock had him in a bind enough with his own men being trapped while you also have Rayleigh to deal with alongside the Marines, why would he add in old man Rayleigh as an opponent when Rayleigh was giving him an out and he was even able to take Koby along with him.
2/3 scenarios Teach has gotten the last laugh and came out on top - MF he was able to not only gain the gura df but also he gained an entire crew for doing the impossible, literally zero reason to fight Shanks while just after Sengoku had bodied the crew, showing this stage was too early for the BBP. AL - Teach didnt succeed in taking the Mero but just about low diffed Hancock in the process who should be equivalent to Croc/Joker who we both no arent no slouches. Croc has a bounty higher than Zoros current and Joker who low diffed Law and made Luffy his bitch. Out of these 3 scenarios the only time Teach walked away with nothing was Akainu and all he wanted was a warship, why would he clash or fight with Akainu and a buster level call with 9 other people when it was easily avoidable?
Oda is clearly showing BBP aren't at that stage or level yet. Teach is probably the weakest of the 4 Yonko yet unlike the others he is the most driven and the only one who is still growing just like how Luffy is weak and growing, i mean the same can be said for all the WG but both Teach and Luffys growth are leaps and Bounds compared to the rest of the WG id say bar Law given we just saw how he countered Plague with pure Haki and is using Awakening casually.
the fact that you even call the WBP, Marco and Ace namely fodder is funny enough to not even take you seriously.
lmk when you can actually answer a question mate.
That line was just fine, no need to write down an essay. We agree.
You stuck with Akainu/Shanks/Ray. Its not only about clashing with these 3, he lacks feats as i said in my first posts. Oda never had him fight any strong opponent and the 3 times he had a chance to make him shine against some top tiers he didnt.
I never said that Marco and Ace are fodders, i said 95% of WBP are the fodders. BBP defeat Marco,Vista,crippled Jozu and the other fodder commanders.
You stuck with Akainu/Shanks/Ray. Its not only about clashing with these 3, he lacks feats as i said in my first posts. Oda never had him fight any strong opponent and the 3 times he had a chance to make him shine against some top tiers he didnt.
I never said that Marco and Ace are fodders, i said 95% of WBP are the fodders. BBP defeat Marco,Vista,crippled Jozu and the other fodder commanders.
So if Marco and Ace are not Fodders yet BB defeated both and even scarred a True Top Tier in Shanks (his only scar) that makes Teach overrated, great logic from you.....
but Teach never fought any strong opponents....
Ace a clear YC2 and the one who WB himself wanted to make PK after he wanted to make Teach PK believing he was the one Roger was waiting for, Marco a true YC1 even more than likely a clear Yonko level, Shanks a true Top Tier and possibly the strongest Yonko.
all of these happened pretimeskip btw
good chat pleb.
but Teach never fought any strong opponents....
Ace a clear YC2 and the one who WB himself wanted to make PK after he wanted to make Teach PK believing he was the one Roger was waiting for, Marco a true YC1 even more than likely a clear Yonko level, Shanks a true Top Tier and possibly the strongest Yonko.
all of these happened pretimeskip btw
good chat pleb.
got the best of Shanks pre timeline - killed Thatch a top 5 YC on WB ship, defeated Ace YC2 possibly YC1 pretimeskip - defeated YC1 Marco pretimeskip...
3 separate YC from the 2nd strongest crew.
how is that not impressive?
How is Marco not a true YC1 and possibly even a clear Yonko caliber level while Luffy is a Yonko and could barely even beat Kaido without help and the HAX of a lifetime? Marco just 1v3 a YC1/2 and Pero who is easily YC3/2 while he wasnt even trying to defeat them just stall them.....
3 separate YC from the 2nd strongest crew.
how is that not impressive?
How is Marco not a true YC1 and possibly even a clear Yonko caliber level while Luffy is a Yonko and could barely even beat Kaido without help and the HAX of a lifetime? Marco just 1v3 a YC1/2 and Pero who is easily YC3/2 while he wasnt even trying to defeat them just stall them.....
Teach is mainly liked for his characterization and his "secrets" and attitude to piracy.
His feats were never what drawn people into him, at most people loved how aesthetically pleasing the Yami is.
Problem is that Post Timeskip he just sat on a chair cackling while Jesus Burgess jobbed, then the Hancock thing happened when 2/5 of his Impel Down guys were low diffed alongside a Vice Admiral while Hancock's sisters were busy with a Seraphim.
He could kill Law and then Garp and it still wouldn't really salvage how he sat for too long
His feats were never what drawn people into him, at most people loved how aesthetically pleasing the Yami is.
Problem is that Post Timeskip he just sat on a chair cackling while Jesus Burgess jobbed, then the Hancock thing happened when 2/5 of his Impel Down guys were low diffed alongside a Vice Admiral while Hancock's sisters were busy with a Seraphim.
He could kill Law and then Garp and it still wouldn't really salvage how he sat for too long
That's what makes Blackbeard seem so dangerous. The fact that he isn't portrayed as this overwhelming obstacle, like most other Antagonists, yet we know he's going to be the biggest obstacle.
I've said it a thousand times, there is something off about his character. In one instance he's on the ground screaming in pain from a jet bazooka, and in the next instance hes tanking a Buddhist palm from Sengoku, and not even batting an eye.
Blackbeard takes double the pain with every attack, yet he can take a quake blast from Whitebeard to the face, and get up immediately after.
This is an intentional design on Odas part. He's telling us something about Blackbeard. We know his body holds a secret. I'm still thinking it's multiple personalities.
I've said it a thousand times, there is something off about his character. In one instance he's on the ground screaming in pain from a jet bazooka, and in the next instance hes tanking a Buddhist palm from Sengoku, and not even batting an eye.
Blackbeard takes double the pain with every attack, yet he can take a quake blast from Whitebeard to the face, and get up immediately after.
This is an intentional design on Odas part. He's telling us something about Blackbeard. We know his body holds a secret. I'm still thinking it's multiple personalities.
