Future Events "That Person" vs "That Person" predictions
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It is not a neg diff when the opponent you try to beat got up in 2 seconds after you have
-Big Haki Clash with him
-Use 3 names attacks
-Have intense exchange of blows
And in the end you are the one who is suffering the most.
Luffy put High diff effort against Lucci and still lost. Going Gear 5th which turks him into an Old Man already makes it mid diff and reaching Gear 5th time limit makes it high diff.
Luffy vs Kizaru was a draw
Lucci vs Luffy was Lucci winning.
Idk what kinda "truthing" you are doing here.
-Big Haki Clash with him
-Use 3 names attacks
-Have intense exchange of blows
And in the end you are the one who is suffering the most.
Luffy put High diff effort against Lucci and still lost. Going Gear 5th which turks him into an Old Man already makes it mid diff and reaching Gear 5th time limit makes it high diff.
Luffy vs Kizaru was a draw
Lucci vs Luffy was Lucci winning.
Idk what kinda "truthing" you are doing here.
What you say is Lucci > Kizaru ? Thats is simply not true. At best you can say they are equals , and that would be very generous. We dont need to troll we can have a debate . You made a great platform for those kind of topics , I think more people should engage in them . As posting in thread like this is viewed simply as trolling
Well of course I don't think Lucci is stronger than Kizaru or even equal but I do think he's underrated and his performance against G5 gets severely overlooked.
Gear 5th packs an insane punch, took Kizaru out in one shot. That's quite literally a Yonko caliber mode and Lucci tanked 3 named attacks from him. So he should be far above your average YC1 level character like Katakuri Sanji etc.
I am willing to argue Lucci is above even King tho obviously not in durability.
He also had an actual Haki clash with Luffy with sparks flying and then they had an intense Blow to Blow exchange where they were moving so fast, from perspective of other straw hats, they were basically invisible.
Lucci also one shotted Sentomaru who tanked Kizarus hits.
And Luffy smiling against Lucci doesn't mean anything when Gear 5th mode is literally about smiling and laughing, he was doing same against Kaido but it can't be undermined that it is extremely taxing on Luffys body.
So for Luffy to go Gear 5th right off the bat really means it would be very very, rather extremely hard for Luffy to beat Lucci in Gear 4th.
Based on Luccis performance against Luffy alone, I am willing to put him above all YC1 and equal to likes or Yamato, Sabo etc.
Lets see how Zoro fight goes, if Zoro takes him out in one or two clean named attacks, that should prove Zoro is a top tier.
Gear 5th packs an insane punch, took Kizaru out in one shot. That's quite literally a Yonko caliber mode and Lucci tanked 3 named attacks from him. So he should be far above your average YC1 level character like Katakuri Sanji etc.
I am willing to argue Lucci is above even King tho obviously not in durability.
He also had an actual Haki clash with Luffy with sparks flying and then they had an intense Blow to Blow exchange where they were moving so fast, from perspective of other straw hats, they were basically invisible.
Lucci also one shotted Sentomaru who tanked Kizarus hits.
And Luffy smiling against Lucci doesn't mean anything when Gear 5th mode is literally about smiling and laughing, he was doing same against Kaido but it can't be undermined that it is extremely taxing on Luffys body.
So for Luffy to go Gear 5th right off the bat really means it would be very very, rather extremely hard for Luffy to beat Lucci in Gear 4th.
Based on Luccis performance against Luffy alone, I am willing to put him above all YC1 and equal to likes or Yamato, Sabo etc.
Lets see how Zoro fight goes, if Zoro takes him out in one or two clean named attacks, that should prove Zoro is a top tier.
I don't know if we can for sure say Zoro fought him longer because number of pages doesn't equate time in universe. This flash back came on the side of story and the present time hasn't passed right?
Well regardless Zoro has habbit of stalling fights until he gets serious goes one shot mode and uses his first named attack. He did that to Pica Killer Apoo and Hyozou. All these characters he had casual nameless clashes for several chapter but the moment he used first real names attack they were one shot.
So we'll see how it goes.
Anyways Lucci being YC1+ sounds fair to you?
Well regardless Zoro has habbit of stalling fights until he gets serious goes one shot mode and uses his first named attack. He did that to Pica Killer Apoo and Hyozou. All these characters he had casual nameless clashes for several chapter but the moment he used first real names attack they were one shot.
So we'll see how it goes.
Anyways Lucci being YC1+ sounds fair to you?
I had it already written in the news section:
“And finally, at last it’ll happen. The battle between that character and that character may lead to unexpected results!!”
This “battle” was already announced in last year’s Festa Letter. And no, Oda does not mean the battle between Kizaru and Luffy. He wrote in the letter from last year, that the battle between that person and that person happening would surprise us. However, the clash between the admiral and our favorite Yonko is not surprising at all, but rather was forseeable. And if Oda meant this fight, he would have used both of their names, because now that the fight has already started - it would feel awkward to not use their names in the referrence.
No, the fight Oda is meaning has not yet begun. But he will reveal the two participans soon. And the reason why I think so is: This year Oda took multiple breaks – short and long – it amounted to more than 6 or 7 weeks in total (if not more). This means that we should have seen this fight happening around October or November. However, Oda clearly is under a lot of pressure in regards of time, because he promised us a clash between `that person and that person´ since Dec 2022 in his yearly Festa Letter spoiler for 2023. Since we have not seen it happening in the manga this year, Oda does everything to at least give us that in the next few weeks. Just look at chapter 1098. He was so much under timely pressure that he could not finish it properly and published it as an unfinished manuscript. So, this means that we will get at least one more clash of two characters in the next few chapters - and we are not aware of this in the least.
Now, that we do know the outlay of the general situation, we can with almost certainty say, who those characters will be. Since Oda said that this fight will surprise us in the Festa Letter for 2023, than this means that the mangaka will heavily lay his focus on this battle. This alone means that it will have a clear impact in the overall main story line of the manga and this means: It will happen in Egghead. Here, we have two possibilities:
Kuma vs. Saturn/Kizaru: Kuma is flying to somewhere we do not know. This somewhere could be Egghead. If Bonney is in danger, than it would fit plotwise for her to be saved by her father, since Luffy is still down. This way we would have Saturn vs. Kuma. However, since we do already assume that Kuma is maybe heading towards Egghead, I do not really think that Oda meant this fight. It is not "surprising" enough to fit the criteria we are looking for.
Lucci vs. Kizaru/Saturn: Lucci is not on the WG’s side and this plays into his cards (No one seems to know it, as everyone assumes he is on the WG's side. Believe me if I say - Oda has throughout the arc, and on multiple occasions hidden hints about Lucci going against the WG, which most readers have not picked up, yet. Oda will reveal Lucci's true alliances in the next few chapters - and he is probably going to do that with a "boom" and having fun doing so. As it is, what no one expects.) This fight would, in comparison to the Kuma/Saturn,Kizaru fight, clearly be surprising to almost all reader. I would put my wager on this constellation, if I were to bet with someone.
As for the unexpected result of the battle, I have a suggestion that this is heavily tied to Ace as a character and how he died during Marineford. Because if Oda already has mentioned that the battle will change the current situation, we can safely assume that this situation, which is created after the battle, will have it’s own level of tension.
And look, currently we have the same situation like in Marineford: We have the navy, who is heavily present, we have a Luffy, who wants to flee with his friends, we have a father-figure like Whitebeard (here it is Vegapunk). The only person, who is missing is Ace as he was to be executed: In this case, Oda will use Lucci (Lucci is a twin-like brother of Shaka and therefore might be related to Vegapunk.).
“And finally, at last it’ll happen. The battle between that character and that character may lead to unexpected results!!”
This “battle” was already announced in last year’s Festa Letter. And no, Oda does not mean the battle between Kizaru and Luffy. He wrote in the letter from last year, that the battle between that person and that person happening would surprise us. However, the clash between the admiral and our favorite Yonko is not surprising at all, but rather was forseeable. And if Oda meant this fight, he would have used both of their names, because now that the fight has already started - it would feel awkward to not use their names in the referrence.
No, the fight Oda is meaning has not yet begun. But he will reveal the two participans soon. And the reason why I think so is: This year Oda took multiple breaks – short and long – it amounted to more than 6 or 7 weeks in total (if not more). This means that we should have seen this fight happening around October or November. However, Oda clearly is under a lot of pressure in regards of time, because he promised us a clash between `that person and that person´ since Dec 2022 in his yearly Festa Letter spoiler for 2023. Since we have not seen it happening in the manga this year, Oda does everything to at least give us that in the next few weeks. Just look at chapter 1098. He was so much under timely pressure that he could not finish it properly and published it as an unfinished manuscript. So, this means that we will get at least one more clash of two characters in the next few chapters - and we are not aware of this in the least.
Now, that we do know the outlay of the general situation, we can with almost certainty say, who those characters will be. Since Oda said that this fight will surprise us in the Festa Letter for 2023, than this means that the mangaka will heavily lay his focus on this battle. This alone means that it will have a clear impact in the overall main story line of the manga and this means: It will happen in Egghead. Here, we have two possibilities:
Kuma vs. Saturn/Kizaru: Kuma is flying to somewhere we do not know. This somewhere could be Egghead. If Bonney is in danger, than it would fit plotwise for her to be saved by her father, since Luffy is still down. This way we would have Saturn vs. Kuma. However, since we do already assume that Kuma is maybe heading towards Egghead, I do not really think that Oda meant this fight. It is not "surprising" enough to fit the criteria we are looking for.
Lucci vs. Kizaru/Saturn: Lucci is not on the WG’s side and this plays into his cards (No one seems to know it, as everyone assumes he is on the WG's side. Believe me if I say - Oda has throughout the arc, and on multiple occasions hidden hints about Lucci going against the WG, which most readers have not picked up, yet. Oda will reveal Lucci's true alliances in the next few chapters - and he is probably going to do that with a "boom" and having fun doing so. As it is, what no one expects.) This fight would, in comparison to the Kuma/Saturn,Kizaru fight, clearly be surprising to almost all reader. I would put my wager on this constellation, if I were to bet with someone.
As for the unexpected result of the battle, I have a suggestion that this is heavily tied to Ace as a character and how he died during Marineford. Because if Oda already has mentioned that the battle will change the current situation, we can safely assume that this situation, which is created after the battle, will have it’s own level of tension.
And look, currently we have the same situation like in Marineford: We have the navy, who is heavily present, we have a Luffy, who wants to flee with his friends, we have a father-figure like Whitebeard (here it is Vegapunk). The only person, who is missing is Ace as he was to be executed: In this case, Oda will use Lucci (Lucci is a twin-like brother of Shaka and therefore might be related to Vegapunk.).
